Very good !

@ThunderGodsWrath: Thanks, do you agree?

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: Thanks, do you agree?

Verily.

@ThunderGodsWrath: LOL

@Clark_EL: Haha

Pop quiz: Is Martian Manhunter's telepathy equal to or greater than Charles Xavier's?

@JonSmith: What do you think?

@ThunderGodsWrath: Thor is the best.

No, gotta go with Matian Manhunter.

shape shifts to sif , and when thor is close enough uses intangibility to rip our thor's heart then mind-wipes him

@Clark_EL: You betcha !

@Clark_EL said:

What do you think?

I'm fairly certain Martian Manhunter is superior in telepathy to Xavier. But I want to get your opinion.

@Dark_Guyver: Why?

@SoA: Intangibility doesn't work + TP resistant as I said above....good try though

@JonSmith: I always considered them equals. MM might have a slight advantage though hard to say.

@Clark_EL said:

I always considered them equals. MM might have a slight advantage though hard to say.

Then your statement that Thor can resist his telepathy is invalid: Thor was recently completely controlled by Red Skull, who had (spoilers for Uncanny Avengers 1-3) transplanted the parts of Charles mind that gave him telepathy into his own, giving him all of Xavier's power.

@Clark_EL Nice argument but the telepathy, intangability, and shapeshifting are not as clear as you think. To start while Thor has resisted telepathy he's not resisted a telepath on his level. Professor X cannot connect with the entire world(Martian Manhunter can). While Thor is telepathy resistant he isn't immune and could be overcome by the 2nd most powerful telepath in the DC Universe(Despero is 1st).

Intangibility argument seems valid at 1st glance but Thor can't touch him and he could just phase into the planet and stay there thus rendering his storms useless allowing him to delve into Thor's mind. Even if he could resist a while(which I doubt) Thor would eventually fall prey to this telepathic powerhouse.

Lets just say your argument on Shapeshifting is correct. If it is(again I doubt), Martian Manhunter can regenerate from the tiniest blob and be as powerful as he was before.

Martian Manhunter I believe can win this with relative ease. This is not to underestimate Thor the most powerful hero on Earth in the Marvel Universe on the contrary in fact. I don't believe you would say that Thor could beat the Justice League right? If you do think that then, research the Justice League. But if you do believe the Justice League would beat him. You should realize Martian Manhunter beat them and with relative ease. If Martian Manhunter can beat a team that can beat Thor(heck Superman should be able to beat Thor by himself) then logically Martian Manhunter should win.

So that is my counter-argument.

@JonSmith: True, but stories change the level of the character ability...also let's not forget about Plot.

Also I believe Thor can take down his telepathic resistance if he wants. He (Thor) might recognize Professor X. telepathic signal as friendly, lowering his defenses not knowing Red Skull had corrupted it.

@Clark_EL said:

True, but stories change the level of the character ability...also let's not forget about Plot.

Also I believe Thor can take down his telepathic resistance if he wants. He (Thor) might recognize Professor X. telepathic signal as friendly, lowering his defenses not knowing Red Skull had corrupted it.

Except he arrived, got into a brawl completely separately, only to be approached by someone who used their powers (presumably mind based, due to it tapping into the target's ideal leader without prior knowledge, thus again getting around Thor's telepathic resistance) to trick him into approaching Skull. Granted, while this was happening, Thor was realizing what Skull had done, only for Skull to use his momentary weakness to put him under control.

So no, he didn't take his immunity down. Whatever immunity he had was overriden, and he was taken over.

A feat J'onn should be able to replicate handily.

@Clark_EL When did Professor X connect his mind to all the people on Earth? Martian manhunter has but I don't remember the issue unfortunately.

Thor's godblast could work on him but it wouldn't kill him. He can regenerate from the tiniest blob. Plus Martian Manhunter only needs to keep away from him as he only needs to get through his mind. Plus Thor isn't very intelligent(I know he's not a neanderthal but is kinda like comparing your average Joe to Einstein).

The God Blast I also want to point out only works if it actually hits him and it won't because he's to fast to be around it and even if it did get close to him he could just phase and have it go through him.

Another thing is combining these powers if Martian Manhunter is faster and equally strong(if not stronger but that is another argument) if he should go right at him he could knock him out.

Plus if Martian Manhunter called him chicken and said to fight like a man. Thor wouldn't be able to resist and MMH could take him out.

@JonSmith: It's kind of an instict

Say you're approaching a dark alley you don't see anybody but you here your friends voice it's instinct that you would think its friendly.

@Clark_EL said:

It's kind of an instict

Say you're approaching a dark alley you don't see anybody but you here your friends voice it's instinct that you would think its friendly.

I don't think I made my previous statement necessarily clear in an attempt not to spoil the events of the comic. Simply put: Thor's mental defenses are weakened by someone effecting his mind using what is presumably a specialized form of telepathy, then Skull takes over his mind. So he doesn't lower his defenses on instinct, they're lowered by someone else entirely, THEN Skull takes over his mind.

@JonSmith: Maybe, but would MM go that far?

@Clark_EL: Your biggest problem is how you approach Telepathy Resistance. Thor has very inconsistent levels of it. He's been effortlessly mindwiped by Xavier, controlled by Red Skull Xavier, been controlled by Moondragon, been controlled by Doc Ock's octo-bots, devestated by Tutinax' fear powers, and those are just the ones that come to mind off-hand. There are more.

Martian Manhunter is an incredibly powerful telepath. He's read the minds of everyone on Earth more than once and of everyone in the galaxy once. He's linked every mind on Earth and smashed them through another Green Martian's TP defenses. He's resisted nine amped White Martians, although White Martians have broken through GL TP resistance and mind-controlled hundreds of thousands of people at once. He's broken through Mageddon's TP shields more than once, and he's touched the Spectre's mind three times, dragging him forcibly onto the Astral Plane once. I just don't think that Thor has displayed a consistently high enough level of resistance to hold of someone of J'onn's power level.

When you add in the fact that the Manhunter is about as strong and astronomically faster, as well as invisible, I don't see Thor coming close to a majority.

@Esquire For that you've earned a follow.

@Clark_EL said:

Maybe, but would MM go that far?

Depends on the context of the battle. Morals off? Yep. In a heartbeat. Morals ON? Well... J'onn has a cultural objection to mind rape.

@BlueLantern1995: J'onn J'onnz <3

@Esquire its hard to argue with someone has an awesome display pic like yours :P

@Z3RO180 said:

@Esquire its hard to argue with someone has an awesome display pic like yours :P

Lol, that's the plan.

@Esquire: Good point, This was mainly to show Thor has a chance and might be able to beat MM. Some MM fans are pretty biased towards him.

@ThunderGodsWrath: What do you think about TP?

Thor could and would beat Martian Manhunter.

@PowerHerc: Oh really, what about the TP argument above?

No.

@Clark_EL: It's his opinion but MM isn't mind-linking people now or resisting White Martians, he's trying to take control of Thor's mind. A god. The son of Odin and Gaea. Thor's level of TP resistance could easily be high enough to resist MM. I believe it would be.

@ImmortalOne: Why not?

@PowerHerc: Yeah, but uncanny Avengers Red Skull controlled his mind.

You also have to account for the fact Thor has to deal with all these abilities at once. Its quite overwhelming to fight a telepathic, intangible and shapeshifting being. MM wins.

@Clark_EL said:

@ImmortalOne: Why not?

Martian Manhunter is a very powerful telepath, and even though Thor does have the occasional telepathy resistance, more often, he does get affected by telepathy. Martian Manhunter should be strong enough to affect him.

Along with this, Martian Manhunter has demonstrated Superman level strength, so he should be about even with Thor. Thor is pretty slow in combat speed in comparison to other powerhouses, and Martian Manhunter has shown combat speed equal to Superman.

In your post, you address how intangibility wouldn't work, due to Thor using it on Vision, but while Thor may be able to use his magic to counter it, it can still be used to dodge a large amount of his attacks. And also, intangibility doesn't have to only be used to dodge attacks, Martian Manhunter can use it to just go underground or something, safely out of range.

So basically, Martian Manhunter is faster, just as strong and durable, can go intangible, invisible, has powerful telepathy, and shape-shifting.

@PowerHerc said:

@Clark_EL: It's his opinion but MM isn't mind-linking people now or resisting White Martians, he's trying to take control of Thor's mind. A god. The son of Odin and Gaea. Thor's level of TP resistance could easily be high enough to resist MM. I believe it would be.

Don't see why he couldn't do this to Thor:

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He has plenty of offensive TP feats. He's taken down Maxima (and several other heroes at the same time) in a single thought, he's wiped memories from people including the entire JLA, cast illusions over strong minds such as Lex Luthor, telepaths such as Aquaman, and a 6th Dimensional Nigh-Omnipotent named Joseph Stinton. He's cut Firestorm off from the Firestorm Matrix and defeated Malefic, another Green Martian, in a TP battle. And again, he's broken through the telepathic defenses of Mageddon and the Spectre. I just don't see why Thor is expected to be able to hold up against that kind of an assault.

And in addition, he has almost Flash-level combat speed and an incredible healing factor. (He was able to regenerate from a severed arm.) Thor will be hardpressed to tag him, J'onn can phase through most of his attacks, anyway, and he has the durability + regen to make it unlikely that he would be put down by most of Thor's hits, even if the Thunder God could land some.

@OceanicSS said:

You also have to account for the fact Thor has to deal with all these abilities at once. Its quite overwhelming to fight a telepathic, intangible and shapeshifting being. MM wins.

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@OceanicSS: I doubt it would be a problem since they don't work on Thor

@BlueLantern1995 said:

@OceanicSS said:

You also have to account for the fact Thor has to deal with all these abilities at once. Its quite overwhelming to fight a telepathic, intangible and shapeshifting being. MM wins.

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@ImmortalOne said:

@Clark_EL said:

@ImmortalOne: Why not?

Martian Manhunter is a very powerful telepath, and even though Thor does have the occasional telepathy resistance, more often, he does get affected by telepathy. Martian Manhunter should be strong enough to affect him.

Along with this, Martian Manhunter has demonstrated Superman level strength, so he should be about even with Thor. Thor is pretty slow in combat speed in comparison to other powerhouses, and Martian Manhunter has shown combat speed equal to Superman.

In your post, you address how intangibility wouldn't work, due to Thor using it on Vision, but while Thor may be able to use his magic to counter it, it can still be used to dodge a large amount of his attacks. And also, intangibility doesn't have to only be used to dodge attacks, Martian Manhunter can use it to just go underground or something, safely out of range.

So basically, Martian Manhunter is faster, just as strong and durable, can go intangible, invisible, has powerful telepathy, and shape-shifting.

I already addressed the speed factor

I think it's funny how you address all of MM's advantages but not Thor's. Yes you said he could go underground, but Thor's raw power wouldn't allow MM to get close. The only way I see him winning is with TP which is being debated right now.

@Esquire: Almost Superman speeds not the Flash.........who attacked so that he had to regenerate?.......Thor would land some powerful and devisating hits on him.

I think Thor would win because he once..

Ah screw it, I just don't like MM that much, therefore he loses, and your argument is valid.

@The_Lunact_And_Manic: LOL

Thor though has an ok chance of winning

At full power bloodlusted he wins 5/10 times PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Clark_EL said:

@OceanicSS: I doubt it would be a problem since they don't work on Thor

@BlueLantern1995 said:

@OceanicSS said:

You also have to account for the fact Thor has to deal with all these abilities at once. Its quite overwhelming to fight a telepathic, intangible and shapeshifting being. MM wins.

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@ImmortalOne said:

@Clark_EL said:

@ImmortalOne: Why not?

Martian Manhunter is a very powerful telepath, and even though Thor does have the occasional telepathy resistance, more often, he does get affected by telepathy. Martian Manhunter should be strong enough to affect him.

Along with this, Martian Manhunter has demonstrated Superman level strength, so he should be about even with Thor. Thor is pretty slow in combat speed in comparison to other powerhouses, and Martian Manhunter has shown combat speed equal to Superman.

In your post, you address how intangibility wouldn't work, due to Thor using it on Vision, but while Thor may be able to use his magic to counter it, it can still be used to dodge a large amount of his attacks. And also, intangibility doesn't have to only be used to dodge attacks, Martian Manhunter can use it to just go underground or something, safely out of range.

So basically, Martian Manhunter is faster, just as strong and durable, can go intangible, invisible, has powerful telepathy, and shape-shifting.

I already addressed the speed factor

I think it's funny how you address all of MM's advantages but not Thor's. Yes you said he could go underground, but Thor's raw power wouldn't allow MM to get close. The only way I see him winning is with TP which is being debated right now.

@Esquire: Almost Superman speeds not the Flash.........who attacked so that he had to regenerate?.......Thor would land some powerful and devisating hits on him.

Raw power? What's he going to do, spam a bunch of lightning bolts that Martian Manhunter could easily phase through, or dodge? Or swing Mjolnir, which Martian Manhunter could just dodge?

And I don't see how you addressed anything with speed. Thor has difficulty dealing with people far slower than Martian Manhunter. Even if he can see at lightspeeds like you can claim, then he still doesn't have the combat speed to deal with Martian Manhunter. And travel speed barely means anything in fights like these.

Martian Manhunter is strong enough to take Thor out, he can use telepathy, and Thor will have a hard time even hitting him. Martian Manhunter wins more time than Thor would.

@Clark_EL: NOPE

HE WINS 10/10 BECAUSE I SAY SO!!!!!

its possible

@The_Lunact_And_Manic: Ha ha

@ImmortalOne: remember lightning could still hurt MM, due to electricity. You seem a little MM biased.

@Avenging-X-Bolt: As you seem like a Martian Manhunter due to your avatar that means a lot. :)

@Clark_EL said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic: Ha ha

@ImmortalOne: remember lightning could still hurt MM, due to electricity. You seem a little MM biased.

Martian Manhunter could just phase through it, or dodge it. So what, anyone who disagrees with you is biased? Well, you seem Thor biased then.

@Esquire said:

devestated by Tutinax' fear powers,

Context please?

I usually don't like threads like this, let alone dealing with characters like Thor and Martian Manhunter, two characters who are very inconsistent relatively to other characters because of their relative popularities to typical plot roles. Inconsistency doesn't really help or hurt either character what it does its introduce more ambiguity and subjectivity. I post though because its bizarre seeing so many assertions without failing to address the context behind the characters.

Anyway I can appreciate well reasoned and presented thoughts, nice stuff OP, I don't necessarily agree but don't really disagree either. I go the route that all fictional characters can defeat all other fictional characters depending on. Insert countless variables here.