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@oldnightcrawler: Meaning I feel that the Kitty speech is partly inspired by her famous Stevie Hunter rant. Nostalgia, get it?

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@oldnightcrawler: The only things I remember is the God Loves Man Kills and an issue of uncanny. All of which were written by claremont in the 80's, when making social commentary was more honest and less PC song and dance. I didn't like hearing the words but she speaks from the heart with impact when she uses them. However her speech is just more nostalgia feeding off itself from the GN. Symbolic circles are great but you need to use them only once to show the length of a story or the short term growth of a character.

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Wasn't that Excalibur v3?

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@veshark: Incoherent? Not really, I like to think of my posts as a meta-series. Everything you need is all right there but there's no new reader jump on points, you have to buy the back issues. If you missed something, find another post I made, true believer.

Rocket Raccoon? a bit of an extreme example. How about this, something related a little closer to topic. Let's talk about the Morrison (trash) cast. What are you thoughts on Beak?

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@mcklayn: Actually if I might offer something, it was actually Len Wein who pulled the X-Men out the ditch they were dug into. Claremont used that framework to build the golden age of "X" with Shooter, Defalco, Simonson, Harras and Gruenwald. Wein started the fire that Claremont carried for 15 years.

@time: Claremont (Yes), Fabian Nicieza (Yes) and Scott Loddell (breaks screeching...). Two outta three ain't bad.

I like Simonson best tied with Claremont, with Whedon, Nicieza following behind that. Honorable mentions are Busiek, Byrne, Stern, Wein, and Layton.

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@lykopis: A writer just like an artist must take note from their forebears? That is not bizarre at all, in fact for all the attempts at new readership Marvel enacts, one would think making a memorable character resemble itself largely. Of course then there is the subject life, death, "I'm Back"in comics too. I too have been alienated many a time, mostly by writers, rarely by artists.

Important traits to have as a writer.

  1. Do not ignore or disrepect the works of a forebear, no matter how much you might disagree. Only a fan can make that judgement.
  2. Do not retcon, but spin important events
  3. Characters have to act and speak like themselves (ie Wolverine is a Canadian who has lived in America and southeast Asia the majority of his long life. He would not start spouting British slang at any point, regardless of the reader's trendiness )
  4. research the entire catalog prior to making plotlines.
  5. do not rehash or reuse or splice used plot lines (ie the phoenix saga ended in the early 80's we don't need anymore phoenix books)
  6. lastly be willing to commit 5 to 10 years of your life to make tapestry of stories. Slam, Bam thank you comic fan, does not work.
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@fadetoblackbolt: While I know that we do not see eye to on most things, I will however commend you on having some of the best avatars on CV. Bravo, Burai-san.

@lykopis said:

(any writer) cares about his story -- not the characters. Established or not, if s/he wants to get across something, s/he'll do it and s/he'll do it at the expense of said characters.

Congrats Lykopis. This is the single most important statement I've read in a long while here, the fallout of the image exodus and the subsequent issues following that really impacted industry didn't it? I know Bendis is bad about it, but he however is not alone. This mindset in the industry has spawned legion clearly. What are you thoughts?

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@veshark: Rambling is a harsh term, Veshark. Perhaps I do have too much information for my fingers to adequately display in text, however I stand by both statements in and out of universe for secondary mutations and Scott. Sorry I didn't redress the entire statement(s) to be inclusive to both new and old information. That much was my bad.

However; elements in Morrison's run are trite and vapid. I stand by that. I use both words at differing points in his run and they are accurate in describing the run as a whole. I think however we are inadvertently coming to a point of a political argument on the best course of action for the future of humans and mutants, to which I am not going to budge. It was folly for Xavier to that and it hurt the long term in universe and overall story line to enact it, but most of it has been retconned out, so perhaps

Also I sure that there are better examples to use to convince me than the urban hip hop movement metaphors for rebelling against adults by young people. That doesn't do it for me as these people are not joined by culture nor location or for the most part upbringing long enough to actually form a real viable (sub)culture. Don't buy that at all. Tights and battles were a part to be sure but all that mutants bands, fashion, chewing gum is valueless fluff.

Anyway let's change gears for a minute. What is your experience in reading comics? What I mean by that is what elements are necessary for you to enjoy a comic (any comic)?

Note: Awesome! Keep me in the loop especially should you attempt any lantern pics.

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@veshark: Oh that's quite alright, Veshark. Contiuning, your reply to me, I never saw it. I can only assume the syntax was wrong for the system to send me a notification. I did note that a colon was missing or perhaps it was just a hiccup in the system itself. Either way had not another person replied to me I would have never been able to retort.

So let's begin,I notice that you seem to keep seeing only the trite statement. That was only part of my initial retort to Hurricane.

So Vapid and Trite if you please veshark. Some things were trite like killing Jean as it is unoriginal, and unimaginative. Some things were vapid as in unstimulating and tasteless such as trash plot lines and characters. Those are just the base examples.

To start, I hold my stance on the characters, so let's move on to mutant relations. You realize that apparently NO ONE knew chuck was doing that. He unilaterally decided to out the school. This was a poor editorial decision as in the "in-universe" relations were NOT stable enough to merit putting an address to mindless hate crimes. Chuck, of all people, would have known this and they deployed it anyway because real world office politics not in-universe ideas. His speech was baseless justification and would NEVER go over in real world politics. The only thing that would have happened would suicide zealots blowing themselves up at gate or something equally horrific.

Retconning Morrison is not a Bendis exclusive and mutant culture? That is cool and everything but sensationalism like it was posed seemed to create more segregation. Mutants are not the punk movement. They don't need to fit into Grant's little counter culture microcosm. They need to be accepted by humanity as their own not an aberration or unintended affront to natural genetics. I personally remember the Xavier dream to be acceptance and integration.

I don't really care too much the physical appearance thing, grotesque, beautiful, homely I don't really care much in any direction. The point that I'm trying to make by opening the doors to constant mutation is a pandora's box it enables future writers to create horrific ends to characters that they don't necessarily like. Real world office politics will use that for their own ends thus it is a bad idea. Bands, fashion designers, and drugs tailored to Mutants? What's wrong with warren doing rainbows of coke of an exotic hookers back? Is he too good for blow? Heroin doesn't do it for him? What if wolvie likes him some 420? I guess Warpath can't listen to Porno For Pyros anymore huh? Not on the approved mutant listening playlist. All of that is largely irrelevant, their are real world equivalents to actual music that would solidify its ability to suspend my disbelief and not just be niche and against the actual goal. I would rather see Dazzler make a comeback into mainstream pop as a storyline than a vapid mutant band playing for its own kind only. It just screams mutants only club. BTW as far as the "cool minority" goes it was a trend during the books, what happens to trends when they fall from favor with mindless masses? Oh yea they become hated. They really need that, to be out of vogue.

By the Scott thing I was largely referring to its still in continuity legacy on the "X" universe as most of the (lasting) changes all seem to hang around Scott neck like a pair of white latex boots. Oh wait. The Captain America thing, sigh, tying wolverine and cap together doesnt really do much for either character besides screwing up classic continuity even worse that some other writers I could mention over the past few years...digressing. Morrison offered me nothing new and/or interesting. Thus his work was trite and vapid.

Unrelated note: I look forward to your new pics! oh, some times when I have a difficult or multi directional lighting source to remind me I draw (a) tiny circle(s) where the source direction is. I hope that helps you.