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#2  Edited By ChaosBlazer

May make some changes, and the big idea is that people will have more money, and will thus spend it which will promote the economy. However I doubt this will make much difference. Better things would be to cut down on government spending to reduce the deficit, which is sitting around or above a trillion dollars right now.

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Cyclops easily takes this, none of these guys can tank an optic blast, and none of them are significantly faster than Cyclops.

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@CalebHara: we'll just have to disagree, its a good fight and a close one too.

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@ToO_RaW: could i see a scan of that? Also I don't think canon Nightcrawler can teleport objects off of each other, like heads off bodies....

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@ToO_RaW said:

@ChaosBlazer said:

@CalebHara said:

@jashro44: That could change my vote in this battle, do you have the scan of when he senses him?

He wasn't aware this was Nightcrawler at first but he will know now and be able to react (he is almost as agile/ fast as Kurt)

Was NC fighting them? And this doesn't mean DD knew exactly where he was. He just senses a change in the atmosphere...

sure, but it was like 2-3 seconds before Kurt even got there, so he can move behind himself (nightcrawler would likely teleport behind him or something) and when Nightcrawler gets there kill him with a pressure point.

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@CalebHara: my main point was that Spiderman dodged the bullet of an extremely skilled gunman (one of the Kravens) while he was fighting somebody else. In your scans IF had his full attention on the gunman, who was just some random henchman who is probably nowhere near as skilled as a Kraven with a gun.

DD may not have pointed out the exact location of Kurt, but the fact is he was able to say a full sentence after he sensed Kurt before Kurt actually got there, which is tons of time for a guy as fast, skilled and deadly as Daredevil. I envision Nightcrawler teleporting up to take out DD, DD senses him 1-2 seconds before he gets there, turns and kills Kurt with a pressure point. And if Kurt goes after Spiderman... well, you know how that'll go.

IF may have more powerful attacks than Spiderman, sure.... but as we disagree on their speed levels, we disagree on the outcome as a whole. I believe Spidey's precog and speed advantage (in my opinion) allows him to get the first punch in (most of the time) which, with morals off, is likely to knock IF's head off. only tihng IF has going for him are his skills, which I don't believe are enough to handle Spidey's precog, speed, and lack of morals.

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@CalebHara said:

@jashro44: That could change my vote in this battle, do you have the scan of when he senses him?

He wasn't aware this was Nightcrawler at first but he will know now and be able to react (he is almost as agile/ fast as Kurt)

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@CalebHara said:

@ChaosBlazer: If the gang up on one person, they are left vulnerable to attack from others. So i am assuming that they are going to try and take each other straight up, in 2, 1v1 fights.

Daredevil cant see Nightcrawler coming. He doesn't have a Spider sense the same way that Peter does. He has a sense that is similar to echolocation, he can see everything that he hears around himself. All he will hear is a distant "BAMF" from Nightcrawler teleporting, and next thing he knows, its lights out.

Morals off Iron Fist can take peter because he is equally as fast, has a greater martial ability, and his striking power with morals off he makes Peter's striking power seem light... really light. Iron fist has shown the ability to stop and destroy bullet trains with punches, he even one-shotted the heli-carrier out of the sky. He has nearly equal speed, and greater martial ability, and that means that he will get his hits in. Even someone with Peter's durability can't take morals off punches from the IMMORTAL IRON FIST lol

I think this would be an amazing fight, but I'm sticking with my team 2 for the majority.

I have to disagree on one vital fact about this fight: Spiderman is faster than Iron Fist. Iron Fist said that Spiderman was difficult to fight because he was 'too fast', which I think is him admitting Spiderman is faster than him, and prob more agile too. IF has good speed feats, but I think Spiderman has better ones- he dodged a rifle shot (from pretty near, almost point blank) from one of the Kravens (expert hunters = perfect aim) and the Kraven (i think vladimir) said 'i aimed. he dodged the bullet.' also Spidey dodged this bullet while in the middle of a fight with something else, so its not like you can catch him off guard or anything.

Therefore, Spiderman is the fastest, most agile person in this fight. Nightcrawler, Fist and DD are all extremely agile and fast, so even small speed advantages are very important. My reasoning is that with the time to plan, Spidey and DD will decide to stick pretty close together. If Spidey's precog kicks in and he realizes Nightcrawler is gonna teleport out and try to grab DD or something he can get over there and either KO Kurt (or kill him) in one hit or he can grab DD and get him out of danger. And its not like DD is helpless against Kurt, he understands Kurts powers and he can sense Kurt coming in before he physically reaches his teleport spot- pretty sure he;s one of the few that can do that, b/c of his senses.

Therefore Nightcrawler shouldn't do much besides distract the team. And if he does take out DD, Spidey will give him swift punishment...

Anyways Fist and Spidey both can take each other out with only one punch. Peter's webbing is deemed null by IF's area-effect with his chi, and vice versa. IF is more skilled, but Peter is not a complete noob in terms of fighting skill, and his precognition means IF will find it extremely hard to tag him. As I stated above, I believe Peter is faster than IF, even if just a small amount, and this coupled with his precog means he will probably land a punch before Fist does, and with no morals he'll probably knock off Fist's head. Not to say it isn't close at all. IF vs Spiderman is one of my questions that I want answered in a comic book sometime soon, and with morals off its even trickier a question.