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@theworldeater:

Here's what we know:

We know that Cyttorak is extradimensional - outside of the control or power of the Living Tribunal. In effect, Cyttorak is his own Living Tribunal. Now, does that make him more or less powerful? Who's to say. I would venture to say that in his own realm, Cyttorak is more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Having done more research, Cyttorak is on the level of Elder Gods / Old Ones. Which puts him far above Skyfather level. He is also outside of the Multiverse, and, as such, has put beings such as Galactus at his mercy. Which puts him above Cosmic Pantheon level. I have done more research and the numbers have changed somewhat (see image).

The fact is, Cyttorak has not affected the multiverse that much, and has not shown much of an interest to (other than the avatar contest of the Octessence). He is described as having infinite power, and being extradimensional - outside of the multiverse. For the sake of comparison, Class 2 demons such as Mephisto have their own realms, or portions of inter-dimensions within a given universe, as part of the multiverse.

This is an amazing post. I had been searching for feats as part of a larger stat matrix project I've been working on. I wasn't quite sure if Cyttorak's rank/placement on my list was legit - because it's so insanely high. Now, the placement seems legitimate. Thanks for all your homework!

No one deserves Wolverine. Marvel really whored that character too much the past 5 years.

@fastolfe said:

Cyclops gets attacked by the entire marvel universe, loses friends as they side opposing him for hypocritical reasons, his girlfriend admits to cheating on him with the biggest marvel man whore and wants to go into glorious detail, his "dad" wants to lobotomize him, and you don't think you'd lose it? Yeah.

This.

Also, the whole AvX thing pi**es me off. I thought it was readily apparent by everyone with a working brain until I came to these forums. Here's why:

1. Those of us who are familiar with the Phoenix Force know that it can't be stopped without its purpose being completed or fate being involved. Iron-Man and his ilk were incredibly arrogant and quite stupid to try and stop it. Normally these characters wouldn't be this stupid, but they needed a catalyst to get all these characters to kick each other's as**s, didn't they? Silly.

2. Iron Man managed to "split" the Phoenix Force through his tech. Silly. However, it worked by splitting it up the force into five X-Men instead of Hope. So, this whole thing was started because of the Avenger's arrogance and need to control everything that can conceive of. And crappy writing.

3. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Marvel likes to show us this again and again. So, the Phoenix Force slowly changes the five. Unfortunately as they are defeated by the arrogant, idiot Avengers (for the wrong reasons), the Phoenix's avatars get even more unstable.

4. The X-Men pretty much know what's coming. Beast especially should have known, and what it meant. At a certain point (like when there was just a few of them left), Cyclops ceases to be Cyclops completely and is the Phoenix's warped version of him. It would have happened to any character pretty much. After all, they didn't blame Jean for anything she did - they blamed Phoenix/Dark Phoenix. Why Beast turned around and blamed Cyclops at the end of the story is quite frankly extremely poor writing for that character and throws out all comics history between them. It was absolutely retarded. And that's just Beast - the fact that most characters are blaming Cyclops for the Phoenix's ambitions and actions angers me.

5. Wolverine, Cap, Iron-Man... they all need to be shot for this BS. Really. I was actually looking forward to logical motivation at the beginning of the story, fully expecting to be on the Avenger's side. Oh well. No logic for their side. At all. They even went to kidnap Hope AFTER the Phoenix was already there. Silly.

6. Cyclops was right. Period.

@theMatthewPryor said:

I'm planning on jumping on collecting X-Men with the Marvel Now! Titles but wante to get some backstory of I could, an have picked up X-Men Season 1 on Comixology along with Schism issues 1-5. Planning on also picking up Dark Phoenix Saga, House of M, Messiah Complex, Secind Coming along with all the Uncanny X-Men, Wolverie and the X-Men and Avengers vs X-Men single issues. Is there anything else I should pick up as a completely new reader?

You'll get some of the best stuff from Inferno, Mutant Massacre, and even X-Cutioner's Song. A lot happened in those storylines that matter later on. Remember to pick up the Phoenix Saga too, not just the Dark Phoenix Saga.

Not reaching out with the Phoenix Force and killing all the bad writers at Marvel, taking revenge on them for what they've done to his character over the past 8 years.

I think he should come back with other characters that have been written badly lately, like Jean, Xavier, Magneto, Exodus, and Sentry. They would be the premiere team of badassary.

Soapy. He can separate oils from fabrics with sheer willpower. He's not really a field operative.

The end-all, be-all premiere X-Men team:

1. Cyclops
2. Jean Grey
3. Beast
4. Angel
5. Iceman
6. Storm
7. Colossus
8. Rogue
9. Gambit
10. Kitty Pryde

That's all you need. Wolverine, Emma, Magneto, Magik, Rachel... they can all go fu** themselves. I'm tired of them. Especially Wolverine. It almost seems like he's in 50 places at once with how many comics he's in. Marvel is really whoring him out these days.

Kids, kids...

Cyclops is and will always be the premiere X-Man. He is a born leader. Even without his substantial powers, his fighting skills are said to rival that of Captain America. Just because he has been written POORLY in the past 7 years or so doesn't mean he won't come back to the awesome character he was for 40 years before that.

Sentry wins because of potentially limitless mental abilities (where all his powers come from evidently), which gives him the ability to resurrect at will, rearrange/assemble/disassemble matter at will, let alone his traditional super abilities like flight/strength/invuln, etc. Even if Superman was somehow given the ability to NOT be torn apart by Sentry's matter manipulation (a protective power given to him by fanboys presumably), he would still not be able to be killed by Superman. Even if his body were destroyed, he could instantly resurrect himself, which he has done on several occasions. This battle is a joke, really. Sentry was simply written too powerful, which is why he's out of the books at the moment. Hopefully he'll stay gone, lol.