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#1 Posted by cbishop (15565 posts) - - Show Bio

Being unable to buy many comics lately, I was unaware that JG, Jr. was being used as a villain.  Picking villains from the supporting cast can get to be a tired concept.  Renee Montoya became the new Question, JG, Jr. is a new villain.  How long before JG, Sr. or Harvey Bullock put on a costume and start stalking the Gotham streets?  It sounds like the creative team has done a cool job with the kid, and that can make all the difference in the world.

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@sesquipedalophobe: I don't have as much of a problem with that kind of casting - when casting real life people, you're only going to get but so close to what the drawing looks like, unless the drawing was  based on a real life person, such as Ultimate Nick Fury being based on Samuel L. Jackson.  But to say, "Oh well, we can only get but so close to the drawing with a real life person, so let's go as far left field from it as we can," is ridiculous.
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#3 Posted by cbishop (15565 posts) - - Show Bio

This reminds me of What If? #22 (original series) - loved that story, and will be interested to see what comes of this one.  Doom was obsessed with freeing his mother's soul from hell - could he also be interested in visiting some payback on anyone or anything that dared to torment his mother's soul?  And what would his mother's soul be like, after all that torment? 
 
And lest we forget, in the original Secret Wars, Doom briefly wrested power from the Beyonder.  What would he do if he could harness the power of a netherworld?
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#4 Posted by cbishop (15565 posts) - - Show Bio

Tanarus looks interesting, but this seems like an odd move, with the Thor movie only just out of theaters, and Thor in the coming Avengers movie, next summer.  Could this storyline hint at anything to come from the Avengers movie?
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#5 Posted by cbishop (15565 posts) - - Show Bio
@Osiris1428 said:
Basically, there are not that many great Black Female comic characters. So, yes, leave Storm alone. If you had a little black sister who loves that character, you might understand.

I wasn't suggesting anyone change Storm - just arguing the point of what defines her character.  I believe Pixelized (and P', forgive me for putting words in your mouth) was actually telling me that Storm has a definitive look, easily recognized by the masses (thanks in large part to the X-movies <-- my addition).  On that, I absolutely agree.  X-Men is sort of like Star Trek - the story has never had to do with a person's color or appearance, but on their character.  And I believe that's how it should be.
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#6 Edited by cbishop (15565 posts) - - Show Bio

@pixelized: Okay, so that goes back to my original reply that her hair and skin color has always been an awesome visual, and on that, you'll get no argument.  Olive to dark skin, and white hair and eyes are the appearance of Storm, hands down.  To change that would be wrong.

 

Flip it a little.  Why do we want the movie characters to look like the comic characters?  So the "mainstream," non-comic-reading movie audience won't be confused, if they decide to pick up one of the comics, right?  So won't it be confusing to movie audiences who see an African-American Perry White, but pick up a Superman comic for the first time, and see a caucasian Perry White?  How many times have you had to explain the history of Nick Fury's appearance to friends who have seen Samuel L. Jackson in the movies, but never read the comics?  The Ultimate Marvel line is a cool What If? scenario, but I think it messes with moviegoers' comprehension in a terrible manner. 
 
Btw, I didn't know that Storm had ever dueled Emma Frost.  Thanks... or was that sarcasm?  To be honest, my familiarity with Storm pretty much drops off after she lost her powers, way back when.  Any beats after that, I've read in online articles and such. ;)

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#7 Edited by cbishop (15565 posts) - - Show Bio
@pixelized said:

@cbishop said:

Why not? How does this define her character? It has never been an issue in the comics. I contend that Storm could be of any skin color and any hair color, and still have the same weather manipulation powers, and even still be from Cairo, and still have been worshipped as a goddess. How does her skin or hair color define any of that? If her skin color caused her to be abused to such an extent that it affected her current personality, then her skin color would be character defining. If her white hair somehow marked her as an outcast to her people (like the purple eyes of the original Aqualad marked him to the Atlanteans) then her hair color would be character defining. How is either character defining for Storm?

I didn't even want to reply to this because that one line that I bolded earlier, told me everything I needed to know regarding your familiarity with Storm.



So now this has to do with my familiarity with Storm?  Pixelized, you still haven't answered my question - how does Storm's hair or skin color define her character?  Storm was an orphan and petty thief on the streets of Cairo, as a child.  When her mutant powers developed, she was worshipped as a goddess, because of her ability to bring much needed rain to a parched and barren Africa.  She was found by Charles Xavier, who offered her a place at the Xavier Institute, where she honed her power as an X-Man.  She originally hated Wolverine, always treated Kitty in a motherly fashion, and was once turned into a vampire (highlighted by a cool "Rogue Storm" cover).  When Callisto challenged her honor, Storm fought her for leadership of the Molocks and won, without use of her powers.  The leather vest she wore when she had the mohawk was a symbol of that leadership.  It was during that time that she jumped in front of a shot meant for Rogue, and lost her powers to a blast from Forge's power-removing gun... to this day, I've never quite been sure how she got her powers back.  In recent years, she has been shown to have the ability to see and smell dark magic, and in my opinion, has been pretty much ruined as a character. 
 
That's my familiarity with Storm, and if you will, please, tell me how any of that hinges on her skin or hair color.
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@cbishop: I think a lot of developers are just being conscious of including more minority characters, and they'll sacrifice unknown characters to do that. I don't think it's bad thing. It's not like that's the only thing doesn't make sense in the story. I'm black, and I notice when not a single black person appears in a movie, or there is only one token black character. It doesn't make me dislike the movie, but I always think they could have put a few more somewhere.  Also, Fox in Wanted was a black woman in the comics, but Angelina Jolie portrayed her in the movie. That was a major part, but nobody made a huge deal about it.

I agree with you: they are absolutely being conscious of including more ethnic diversity in movies, but I don't think Perry White qualifies as an "unknown character."  The stories we're talking about - full of caucasian characters and little else - come from a time when workplaces and fiction were unfortunately dominated by caucasians.  Unfortunately, every reboot to date has started again with those same characters, so little diversity has been introduced.  To my mind, the best minority character introduced to supporting cast in the last twenty years was Ron Troupe, who was instantly unlikeable, because he was there to replace the missing Clark Kent, during the Reign of the Supermen storyline.  When Superman (and therefore Clark) returned, DC didn't know what to do with Ron, and now where is he? (I honestly don't know.) 
 
I prefer a diverse cast too, as long as they're not all stereotyped to absurdity.  Hollywood has just as many absurd casting practices as comics do, so it's an awkward pairing.  I'll say yet again: I think this goes back to bad continuity.  If the continuity reflected the times, instead of rebooting, this wouldn't be an issue today. 
 
As for Wanted, ugh, I liked the movie for what it was, but beyond the main character and the title, it bore no resemblance to the comic book.  Casting wasn't an issue for me in that movie, because to me, it wasn't at all designed to be like the comic.
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#9 Edited by cbishop (15565 posts) - - Show Bio
@pixelized said: Sorry I don't agree. Storm being established in comics as well as mainstream comes with a certain expectation in terms of appearance. Nico and Perry haven't had near the amount of exposure as Ororo so anyone can play them without the uproar.  

 

(cb said:) Perry White has had 75 years of comics exposure, has been in 4 movies, several movie serials, numerous cartoons, and in every version of a Superman or Superboy TV show, including Smallville, and in every version, has been a caucasian male.  He's had WAY MORE exposure than Storm. 
 
@cbishop said: ...I find neither her hair color nor skin color to be character defining....

I can't even reply to this, lol.


Why not?  How does this define her character?  It has never been an issue in the comics.  I contend that Storm could be of any skin color and any hair color, and still have the same weather manipulation powers, and even still be from Cairo, and still have been worshipped as a goddess.  How does her skin or hair color define any of that?  If her skin color caused her to be abused to such an extent that it affected her current personality, then her skin color would be character defining.  If her white hair somehow marked her as an outcast to her people (like the purple eyes of the original Aqualad marked him to the Atlanteans) then her hair color would be character defining.  How is either character defining for Storm?
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#10 Posted by cbishop (15565 posts) - - Show Bio
@fesak said:
We already had a hispanic Spider-Man. Don't remember anyone complaining about him.

Who said anything about complaining because he's Hispanic?  I'm complaining because I don't see how this will make sense from a writing standpoint.  Bendis is good, but I think any explanation he comes up with will be a stretch.  I'm willing to be wrong though (as we saw in my Shadowland calls lol), so we'll see. 

@Osiris1428 said:
The Storm being played by a white woman example, look, I know it seems like a double standar...hell, it is a double standard, but I use this anology: Why would you take water from a shallow well to replenish one that is overflowing? There really isn't that many minority comic book characters. If it were equal numbers of quality characters and equal in the realm of popular cultures, yeah you could take from all around. But it looks like some people have very small slices, while one demographic seems to be the one who ordered the pizza in the first place.

My issue isn't whether there are a lot of minority characters or not - it's that the established, old school characters not be randomly changed from caucasian to something else.  It's bad writing and bad casting.  I still think this is a continuity issue - if we had actual continuity, instead of periodic reboots, the characters would organically reflect the times, instead of being randomly changed.
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