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I feel like the thread and the video all boil down to "How dare white people want to date other white people!!"

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Wow, a rich powerful guy said something weird.

News at 11.

Anyways, liberals are always pushing for weird sexual shit, I'd thought they'd be ok with this.

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What's up with scrawny Israelian women being superheroes??

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#6  Edited By cattlebattle

@koays:

Lol my argument isnt the one that's see through here buddy

I'm not your buddy, guy! (not sure if you get that reference)

The crux of your argument is that Storm is a mary sue, which she isn't, and you've already conceded that, and that she has "30 different traits with little explanation" which you keep repeating and don't list.

She is a master thief, she has been that for a long time. And so what if she picked Gambit's pocket?? Does Gambit have some sort of spatial awareness I am not aware of?? I am pretty sure Gambit has also been snuck up on and taken out by shit tier members of the Mutant Liberation Front. Gambit and Storm's level of, uh, "thieving", has always been similar.

And her fighting skills have been documented as well. She was trained by her teacher and Black Panther as well as trained with the X-men for years. You know, there is an issue of Excalibur where the team winds up in like a John Carter of Mars type dimension and Rachel defeats a load of characters in a tournament in h2h and sword skills. Where did she acquire these abilities?? Hunh Koays?? I need to know!! If this is not explained to me then she must be a mary sue.

You just keep naming things without context. "ZOMG she is a friend to all nature, kids, and X-men" You sound like you're just venting on a summary written by a raindrop than actually addressing actual things that have been stated. And I can't help but think you are holding how maybe Storm has been written in recent years as a standard as well. As if someone like Tom Taylor was going to write a "powerful woman of color" in any other way than being the best at everything. I really didn't read his stuff so, I don't know.

She was created at the same time as Colossus and Nightcrawler....how many primary traits did they have by the start of the 90s?

LOL, wut?? Bruh. Nightcrawler just started out as some weird looking dude who had apparently spent "some time" with the circus (probably because he looked like a freak more than anything) and could teleport. In the subsequent years he became a master swordsman, master acrobat, had weird shadow melding powers, had a witch girlfriend with cool magic powers, defeat Captain Britain while shielded by Cerise (Captain Britains undergo training), was able to hang with Spider-Man in combat, led Excalibur, led Technet etc.

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@koays: LMAO, you just don't want to go back and forth because you know your argument will deflate because it's already pretty transparent as it is.

I am not downplaying anything, if you think I am, you could point it out. The first 5 years Storm existed was 75 to 80, in that time all she really did was cower over her claustrophobia and pick a lock because she was revealed to have been a thief. Wow, "Dat mary sue"

I don't know why you're hung up on her fighting prowess. She grew up in the streets of Cairo and joined a mutant militia force that trains extensively, and she married Black Panther who is a good fighter himself. She's good at fighting. Lots of comic characters are. Nightcrawler once beat almost everyone in an intergalactic sword tournament. Rogue has had her powers shut off and has beaten groups of people with little effort. It's super hero comics. The protagonists do over the top things.

I don't know where you're getting this "everybody loves her", "everybody looks up to her" thing from. Has that been stated factually anywhere??

She hasnt had character development in 30 years because Claremont shot his Storm load in the 80s giving her a thousand different skills and now there arent any Storm stories left to tell, so they just tell us how great and important she is.

This whole paragraph can be applied to nearly every character. What great developments have most characters had in 30 years?? Wolverine has bone claws and the Romulus stuff?? Nightcrawler becomes a depressing priest and is revealed to be a demon?? Colossus is an Acolyte, no wait, he's dead, no wait, he's alive, no wait, he's a Juggernaut, no wait, he's a horsemen, no, wait, he's not. And what are these "thousands of different skills" you're talking about?? She was thief and knows thief tactics and is a good fighter?? Well holy shit, this totally snuffs every character, including someone like Beast, who can just basically whip up any science to fix almost any situation.

Well, at least they try to make her seem interesting. Most characters don't even get that luxury. They just appear in the background or in an issue as X-Man #0056327

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@koays: I don't know what "traits are informed" means. Any of Storm's traits are pretty self explanatory I think.

2 scenes?? Dude, they're two characters that have been around since 1975 on the same team. They've had way more than that. Classic X-men alone has like two or three stories where Storm and Jean bond.

She's like a motherly figure to Kitty. She is the first X-Man Kitty really got to know and she acted as a close friend to her ever since. Kitty was everyone's best friend....and if any character is going to be accused of being a Mary Sue....it's her.

Well, I've never seen Storm be referred to as a "kung fu master" but as an X-Man that trains in a Danger room constantly with the likes of Wolverine, I'd imagine she would be pretty adept at h2h combat. Most of the X-Men are.

She's desired by several villains because she is supposed to be extremely beautiful and exotic, and her power to control the weather is pretty impressive in itself. As for actual love interests she's had like Black Panther, Forge and Yukio??

Again, almost every character has nearly flawless moral authority. Even Wolverine, who has a really shady past full or murder and other dark shit sounds like Obama when he's discussing principles and standards. This is just a more modern thing anyways. Storm used to be more willing to kill than most of the other X-Men.

In the modern day writers are super untalented, and we live in this weird racial struggle session right now in the west, so, Storm, as a "powerful woman of color" is going to be flawless, or someone might lose there job. Anyways, we did see Storm grow into her role. When she first joins the team in 1975 she is a naive foreigner that thinks herself a Goddess that slowly grows into a hardened, more grounded leader of the X-men.

Look, I know Storm fans are really annoying, and I feel like people hate Storm because their activity on here. However, most of Storm's developments are pretty catalogued and evident. As for female characters being ridiculous in terms of skills and traits, well, that's a Claremont thing that just carried over because the X-men became popular and people tried to recreate his formula. Kitty Pryde, Rogue, Storm, Moonstar, Jean, etc were all capable of ridiculous things and ass kickery. Rachel gets the Phoenix powers from a snow globe and immediately battles the Beyonder.

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@just_sayin:

Okay. I guess he didn't say it was a hoax. He still continually downplayed the threat.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/6/8/21242003/trump-failed-coronavirus-response

I also don't recall other leaders suggesting that we should maybe inject disinfectants and bleach.

You know, after you're proved to be wrong about a thing from listening to bullshit left wing sources, it may not be the best idea to try enforce another point by using another biased left wing site as a source.

Also, Trump never said to inject bleach. Loony, stupid liberal weirdos just made that shit up because they knew stupid people would believe it.

Bill Bryan, of the DHS said this

“We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids, and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes,” Bryan said. “Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster.”

To which Trump said this

So, I’m going to ask Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing when we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.

Now, all that is probably too long for you to read so I'll give you an abridged version:

You're wrong.

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@invain said:

@cattlebattle: I always saw a mary sue was a boring character who lacked any interesting personality traits, but always managed to have interesting things happen to them through the plots of the stories. Y'know, kind of like Cyclops was back in the day...

The definition has fluctuated, mainly to be "this character I don't like is a mary sue". And I do think it ironic that people who are big Cyclops fans are hyper critical of other characters. Cyclops has been around since 1963 and is one of the X-men with the least amount of developments or interesting stories.

@pyrofn said:

Forge was never stated to be an Omega Level Mutant.

Oh sorry, I meant that he is the most powerful technopath that would be Omega if not for planetary restrictions or whatever Hickman's explanation was.