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@sprior93 said:

@cagnazzo82: Yes, I agree. I mean, going to hell and fighting demons and resurrecting the dead? It's just too much. A simple bread and butter vigilante story focusing on their relationship would have been nice. Instead, they've barely interacted and Apollo is just a damsel in distress.

Way too goofy for me.

That's exactly how I feel.

Doing the hell storyline off the bat is basically preventing Midnighter and Apollo from interacting, hence little to no emotional connection with the characters in the book.

I feel like your idea of a straightforward vigilante story to kick things off would have worked better.

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@cagnazzo82: totally agree. Cosmic Marvel was great. I loved the new Guardians of the Galaxy from then especially.

Indeed. That era pretty much revived the Guardians of the Galaxy (at least the current incarnation) and paved the way for the movie that followed suit.

That era of cosmic also revived the Inhumans, amongst other characters.

For sure.

For me Marvel was at it's peak between 2006-2008. At least as far as my own personal interest in Marvel. I was into Ultimate Marvel as well at that time and it was still going strong.

Yeah, we're in total agreement on that one. I loved Ultimate Marvel as well! :)

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This whole event has treated the power of iron mans suits rather poorly

Because it's written by Bendis, so continuity or respect for the characters or past feats/power levels etc... isn't even a consideration.

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it's official bendis should not do event comics

He cannot write event books.

That's why you know for sure Marvel will keep him writing event books.

As long as they keep selling does the quality really matter?

As long as Michael Bay keeps pumping out blockbusters, does the quality of his movies matter? Well I kind of think it does. Others may have a different opinion, so I'll just leave it at that.

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How is that even a calculation? That's what I wonder. Like the whole point of comics is to create storylines and worlds and sagas that are larger than life yet relatable. How did we get to the point where every new character is just a copy of an existing character. And they barely even have their own backstories... they just appear out of nowhere. It's just like basically inept storytelling when you think about it.

People in this thread are talking SJW this and SJW that... but Marvel always had that history. Look at X-Men for example... Started out as a team with 4 white guys and a girl. That didn't take off, so they came back when a diverse team (characters from all over the world) in Giant-Sized X-Men and that was really the beginning of X-Men's enormous popularity.

But get this... Storm didn't debut in Marvel Girl's outfit. Night Crawler wasn't promoted as the new Beast. Sunfire wasn't introduced later in the series as the new Angel. They were all completely unique characters with unique origin stories.

This is diverting a bit from this topic, but the real issue here is that comics, especially Marvel, are just taking the lazy way out for creating characters. The only consideration is money, not the story. If I re-imagine this character or that character maybe we'll more money thanks to a new audience. It's not the actual storyline that matters, but rather the gimmicky approach.

It's been happening for the past 2-3 years or so at Marvel and it's completely off-putting. That's what's alienating me.

It's a grab at getting the best of both worlds, which has proven to work in the past... like it's the team name that shoulders most of the X-Men:

  • On one hand you have the new character that can lead to all kinds of new and exciting stories
  • Yet by letting an older character shoulder the name, they dont run the risk of the new character vanishing over night because no one cares.
  • The approach is just not as risky as simply making a new totally character and hope they sell

Regarding the New X-Men, that is true, but Storm, Nightcrawler and Colossus did not start out in their own solo books, they started out saving most of the original X-Men back and afterwards just hung around them for long enough that they became popular on their own.

Well Marvel is a company and their primary goal is to take money from people's pockets and put it into theirs. So likely they are just looking at: "We have this group of readers for our book, and it's not growing. Over here there there is a very large group of readers we are not attracting with this book, how do we attract them? Why are they not reading?"

How is that even a calculation?

That's how I feel too. Marvel's doing the equivalent of punting right now. They're promising "change and variety" but they're too scared to embrace that mantra. Instead they make a lot of superficial changes to characters and pretend its something great. And that could be forgivable, except they've become so lazy in their writing as well. There's no diversity in the worldviews or personalities of the characters. For the most part, they all have the same voice now and a good portion of them are mimicking that "quirky" quippy persona of Bendis' Spider-Man. It feels like its just a handful of characters in different costumes.

Exactly. That last part is what's most off-putting about these 'all new all-different' characters.

They honestly feel like they're modeled off cosplay... except the cosplayers also happen to have powers.

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@bkole:

I would prefer if Marvel creates or utilizes already existing diversity characters by giving them their own titles or allowing them to form a team or join other teams rather than toss our legacy characters under the bus just so these new or already existing characters can take over their books and reduce the legacy characters to nothing more than mantles which they're not.

It's so cheap and lazy, both in creativity and writing. Marvel could be doing what DC is doing. That's adding diversity the right way without it being forced or feeling cheap/lazy in creativity or forcing our favorite legacy characters to take a back seat for an extended period of time.

Marvel doesn't even need to follow DC. Marvel practically wrote the book throughout the 20th century on creating diverse characters with interesting backgrounds and appeal and creating a legacy of their own.

The people who used to run Marvel had a much better approach than the current crop of people running it (who seem to have a lopsided approach of putting money concerns way above character or storyline)... And who, for all intents and purposes don't seem to care much for legacy characters, and just see them as cosplay outfits to pass on from one person to the next.

But yeah, overall I agree with everything you say, because DC has really woken up this year.

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I look forward to her being President and cleaning house at the FBI. Things have gotten way out of control.

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It's Bendis with a single character that he made so it's probably going to be really good. More miles morales than uncanny xmen.

Exactly. Bendis give his best with solo heroes he create himself [better if they are "low level"]... so maybe this will be really good :)

Odd, considering he seemed pretty careless with her introduction in the latest Civil War 2 issue.

Bendis is hit or miss. But with original characters with no previous history he can do well. It's when he's working with established characters that he tends to shred them and laugh at the anger of the fans. This doesn't look too bad, a little time dead should do Tony some good. Since he dies at the end of cw2 I wonder if Carol kills him?

You have a point because I had a high opinion of him following the Miles Morales arc in the Ultimate Universe.

It's all been downhill since then unfortunately. If he does enjoy enraging fans then perhaps he shouldn't be working in comics.

I've never heard of a professional author that gets joy out of enraging fans. Giving them something to think about maybe... expanding the boundaries of their imagination, maybe. But destroying fan-favorite characters for the hell of it? That only makes me dislike him more than I already do.

I'm willing to give this book a chance though. These early panels and her haphazard shoe-horned introduction in Civil War aren't doing much justice so far however.

Let's hope he builds and interesting cast around this character like he did with Miles in Ultimate U. That's likely what would keep me reading this book in the future.

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@cagnazzo82: Tbh it's not too much of a mismatch. Thor is not as fast but he's much stronger and tougher. It'll take many hits to bring him down if Saitama goes with a blitz.

More than one punch, true. I agree there.

But I can't think of anyone in Marvel U that can actually defeat Saitama.

Thor at his most powerful can fight toe-to-toe with Galactus. But even with Galactus I think Saitama would easily come out on top... So yeah, it's kind of a mismatch. The character is intentionally meant to be a mismatch against all heroes/villains in comics and/or manga/anime so it is what it is.

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