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@boogeymonster: Your forgetting that his death also created a dark side nexus over Endor, and he single handedly corrupted Byss into a dark side nexus

Actually already mentioned Byss in my post before my last one. As for Endor here it is.

Any unusual localization, or vergence, of dark side Force energy. These strange locales emanated the dark side of the Force, and were considered focal points of power for dark side users. As such, they were often guarded by Jedi Knights to prevent their discovery and exploitation. Known dark side nexuses included the twisted tree-cave on Dagobah, Halagad Ventor's hermitage on Trinta, and a "stain" of dark side energy that hovered over Endor following the defeat of the Emperor.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

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Also, some more information on Darth Sidious's presence within the force.

Count Dooku sees Palpatine's power through the Force as an event horizon. A black hole in the force suggesting he is a wound in the force.

Now the scene below subtly altered, though to the physical eye there was no change. Powered by the dark side, Dooku's perception took the measure of those below him with exhilarating precision.

Kenobi was luminous, a transparent being, a window onto a sunlit meadow of the Force.

Skywalker was a storm cloud, flickering with dangerous lightning, building the rotation that threatens a tornado.

And then there was Palpatine, of course: he was beyond power. He showed nothing of what might be within. Though seen with the eyes of the dark side itself, Palpatine was an event horizon. Beneath his entirely ordinary surface was absolute, perfect nothingness. Darkness beyond darkness.

A black hole of the Force.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine himself is a Force nexus. He distorts space, and time with his very presence.

The key to Luke's turning is the moment when he and Leia realize the Emperor is no longer defined by his physical form, but has become a chaotic nexus of dark energies that swell and burst open the fabric of space, tearing apart everything in the vicinity, human and machine.

--Taken from the Dark Empire endnotes

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Anyone who says Sidious wins needs to show PROOF. FEATS. Not what authors say, or any statements. Show quantifiable proof for the RIDICULOUS claims you make. Remember. He lost to Vader, who was weaker than him. He isn't impervious to damage. Falling into a reactor killed him. Imagine what a at least mountain destroying tailed beast bomb will do it him. It doesn't even have to hit him directly.

I already did that several times already. Darth Vader is noted as one of the most powerful force users in Star Wars, and the reactor in question was to the Death Star. Which has enough energy in it to destroy a planet with such force that it could destroy the Earth hundreds of times over without even trying. Which is ignoring that he survives that, and teleports out of there using a precise force storm in order to teleport himself light-years away.

A tremor took hold of the planet.

Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world’s core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves.

At the quake’s epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn’t constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

Slowly, almost reluctantly, he came back to himself, his gaze settling on his manicured hands. Returned to the present, he took note of his rapid breathing, while behind him the room labored to restore order. Air scrubbers hummed—costly wall tapestries fibers against the spread of spilled fluids. The droid shuffled in obvious confliction. Sidious pivoted to take in the disarray: antique furniture overturned; framed artwork askew. As if a whirlwind had swept through. And facedown on the floor lay a statue of Yanjon, one of four law-giving sages of Dwartii.

A piece Sidious had secretly coveted.

Also sprawled there, Plagueis: his slender limbs splayed and elongated head turned to one side. Dressed in finery, as for a night on the town.

And now dead.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Also, even without having to do anything Darth Plagueis was powerful enough to make Naboo experience the worst winter it had in its history. Which froze all of the rivers on the planet, blanketed all the plains and tall forests with three meters of snow, caused plasmic quakes that rocked entire mountain ranges and lakes, the holy places, the undersea cities, and underwaterways that hollowed the planet were blocked by ice floes. This just by Darth Plagueis arriving on the planet.

Later it would be said by Naboo and Gungan alike that they couldn’t recall a colder winter than the one that followed Hego Damask’s autumnal visit to their world. The rivers and even the falls below Theed froze; the rolling plains and tall forests were blanketed three meters deep with snow; plasmic quakes rocked the Gallo Mountains and the Lake Country, the Holy Places and the undersea city of Otoh Gunga; and many of the egresses of the underwaterways that hollowed the planet were blocked by ice floes.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Emperor Palpatine is regarded as the most powerful Sith to exist.

Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.

--Taken from Vader: The Ultimate Guide

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

--Taken from The New Essential Chronology

Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.

--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before."

--Taken from Insider #86: Yoda's Right Arm

He is named the most powerful of the Banite Sith.

The Sith have waited millennium for the birth of one who is powerful enough to return them from hiding. Darth Sidious is that one—the Sith's revenge on the Jedi order for having nearly eradicated the practitioners of the dark side of the Force.

--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

The Sith Order, in hiding for a millennium, had awaited the birth of one who was powerful enough to return the Order to prominence. Darth Sidious was the fulfillment of that prophecy, capable of exacting the Sith's revenge on the Jedi for having nearly eradicated the practitioners of the dark side of the Force.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings.

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.

--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook

Palpatine trained under Plagueis until he became more powerful and killed his master.

In truth, Palpatine was well versed in the ways of the Force, having been apprentice to Darth Plagueis the Wise, a Sith Lord who was a master of arcane and unnatural knowledge. In true Sith tradition, Palpatine murdered his Master upon receiving the skill and ability to do so.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Sidious served for many decades as the apprentice of Darth Plagueis, learning diligently at the feet of his Master. Once he possessed all of Plagueis' secrets, he retired him.

--Taken from Insider #88: Heritage of the Sith

"My own Master, Darth Plagueis, made the grave error of teaching me too much, at which point he became unnecessary."

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

As for force storms, and telepathy.

Palpatine describes the creation of his Force Storm in his Book of Anger. It only requires an act of will for him to create them.

It is repeatedly noted to be able to pulverize space, and time. As well as the fabric of reality.

"I have learned that Anger and Will, joined together, are the greatest Power.

I have learned to meditate upon Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the hidden reservoirs of Dark Side Power.

Anger concentrated by Will in the vital center of the body creates a portal through which vast energies are released—the energies of the dark side of the Force.

Standing watch with the mind, in my meditation of Anger, I have slain my enemies from great distances, through the dark side Power that permeates the galaxy. I have created lightning, and unleashed its destructive fire.

Using this knowledge, I can unleash the dark side energies that are all around us, even to shatter the fabric of space itself. In this way, I have created storms.

Through a simple act of Will, I can generate Force Storms, energy storms that are vastly destructive and virtually unstoppable. Although triggering such storms requires merely thought and inclination, I admit I am not yet able to completely control the phenomenon. Among my goals is to perfect this control."

--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

"The churning energy mass of a Force Storm can consume everything it touches, for at its eye is pure hate. Just as a black hole devours a star, this storm can swallow armies and fold space."

--Taken from Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side

The effect of Force Storm is explained.

This is perhaps the single most destructive Force power known. This power allows the Jedi to twist the space-time continuum to create vast storms of force. The power also allows limited control of these storms. Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.

--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook and Tales of the Jedi Companion

"The Force Storm is truly an awe-inspiring demonstration of pure natural energy. After using the Force to open a hyperspace wormhole, tremendous shockwaves will ripple through the fabric of space. Due to the Force Storm's potential for abuse, the Council has recently classified it as a dark side power."

"The Reborn Emperor used this at Da Soocha. It has the power to kill worlds."

—Luke

--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

Vast energy storms that connect wildly disparate spots across the galaxy, hyperspace wormholes are unpredictable and devastating. It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that Emperor Palpatine was able to not only control these storms, but to create them.

--Taken from Handbook Volume Three: Dark Empire

Before even fully mastering the technique, Palpatine creates a Force Storm with enough skill and precision to transport his body to Kaal from the second Death Star II without causing noticeable damage to the Death Star.

The moment the Emperor "died" at the Battle of Endor, Droga fell into an inexplicable insanity, butchering his crew and causing the Emperor's Shadowto plunge into Kaal's oceans. Even as he perished, Palpatine used the dark side knowledge the Sith Lords had granted him years earlier to rend space itself and transmigrate his essence across lightyears to Droga's body.

--Taken from Gamer #5

Darth Sidious controlling the people of Byss. Who number at nearly twenty billion.

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The Emperor erases memories, presumably by utilization of Memory Rub, in very possibly millions of people on Coruscant in order to conceal the location of the Star Destroyer Lusankya's burial place.

The Lusankya—aSuper Star Destroyer eight kilometerslength—laid waste to the area beneath which it had lain buried for years. Green turbolaser bolts pounded the cityscape, freeing the ship from the ferrocrete and transparisteel prison in which it had laired. Wedge knew Super Star Destroyers had only come into service after the Battle of Yavin, which meant the Lusankya had to have been created and hidden on Coruscant before the battle of Endor. Unless the constructor droids just built it there, then built over it. The idea that a hundred-square-kilometer area of the planet could have been razed and rebuilt to hide a Super Star Destroyer seemed beyond belief, especially with no one noticing the ship's insertion into the hole. Could the Emperor's power through the dark side of the Force have been sufficient to compel thousands or millions of people to forget having seen the Lusankya being buried? As hideous as that idea seemed, Wedge hoped it was the truth. The likely alternative—that the Emperor had ordered the deaths of all the witnesses—seemed that much more horrible.

--Taken from X-Wing: Krytos Trap

Now director of the Imperial Intelligence, Ysanne worked to demonstrate the usefulness of her office to the only person that mattered—the Emperor. Impressed with her suggestion to build a combination internment center and brainwashing facility, Palpatine gave her the Super Star DesteroyerExecutor from the Kuat shipyards—a twin to Vader’s Executor from Fondor. She renamed the vessel Lusankya, and, with help from the Emperor’s mind-fogging powers, Imperial engineers buried the tremendous battleship beneath the cityscape in Coruscant’s Manarai Mountain district.

--Taken from The New Essential Guide to Characters

As for speed, and reflexes.

Jaden Korr reacting to, and slapping a laser back at a scout ship after it's already been fired.

He fell into the Force as the scout ship’s wings flared and the weapons fired. To him, events seemed to slow. The lines of the ship’s lasers extended outward from its guns, slowly reaching across space, crayon lines drawn by an invisiblechild.

In the Force, he sensed the trajectory of the blasts, the line of their approach. His lightsaber spun through space, the Force-augmented motion stressing the hardsuit. The shots slammed into the yellow line of his blade, and he deflected them back at the ship’s cockpit. They split the space between them and knifed into the cockpit, which exploded into flame. The scout ship, bleeding smoke, streaked toward the pod.

-- Star Wars: Riptide

Darth Vader stopping one of I-Five's lasers, and just for reference I-Five outright refers to his lasers as light-speed, citing it down to the kilometer.

I-Five's laser, and his statement on it.

Jax shrugged. "It makes no difference if it's the sixth one or the first one that kills you. Dead is dead. "

"I wouldn't know. I do know, however, ", I-Five said, "that you're much better with that sword than you think you are. "

Jax glanced down at the weapon, saw his disorted reflection looking back at him from the blade's surface. "Yeah? How do you know th---?"

I-Five suddenly whipped up his left hand, index finger extended, and fired a laserbeam at Jax. The beam splashed off the ionized fire that suddenly coated the length of the blade, which Jax had automatically raised to block the beam.

"That's how," I-Five said, "The speed of light is just under three hundred thousand kilometers per second. You are currently seven-point-three meters from me. Your Force-augmented anticipatory reflex action is obviously working fine. You just have to let it."

-- Coruscant Nights II: Street of Shadows

Darth Vader reacting to, and stopping I-Five's laser in mid-air after the fact.

"Tell the droid to give me the bota, Pavan."

"The droid doesn't have it," said I-Five suddenly. Both hands came up in a lethal gesture, lasers firing. The beams sliced toward Vader . . . and stopped mere centimeters from his outstretched hand.

-- Coruscant Nights III: Patterns Of The Force

These two aren't faster than light but they do show that even Sith Acolytes can react, and attack within microseconds.

Darth Bane as a Sith Acolyte training with Fohargh.

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Another instance of Darth Bane training with Kas'im.

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Vestara Khai's showing of reacting within a nanosecond.

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Sarasu Taalon's showing of reacting within a nanosecond, and blocking a blast from a longshot after the fact with his bare hand. Mind you, that was after his dip in the Pool of Knowledge.

Come now, Master Skywalker. Taalon’s voice reached Luke more inside his mind than in his ears—a simple enough Force trick, but nonetheless one that sent a chill down Luke’s back. There will be time enough for that after we talk.

Luke replied in a normal speaking voice. “You expect me to come down?”

Well, you haven’t blasted me yet, Taalon countered.

Luke pressed the trigger and held it down—then felt his jaw drop as bolts began to ricochet off the High Lord’s palm. It wasn’t the deflection of blasterfire with a bare hand that shocked him—he had fought plenty of Sith capable of that trick. What amazed Luke was the speed with which Taalon had moved. In the nanosecond it had taken the first bolt to cross the distance between them, the High Lord’s hand had risen to deflect it, traveling so fast that the appendage had literally seemed to disappear from one place and reappear in another.

After tolerating the volley for a couple of seconds, Taalon grew weary of defending himself and crooked a finger. Luke tightened his grasp on the longblaster, expecting to feel it being ripped from his hands through the Force. Instead he found himself sliding out of his hiding place and tumbling through the air as he dropped toward the beach.

Luke tossed the longblaster aside and snatched his lightsaber, then quickly used the Force to right himself before he reached the beach. But Taalon did not hurl him into the sand, or even attempt to send him flying into Gavar Khai’s scarlet blade. He merely dropped Luke to the ground at a distance of five meters, then motioned for Khai to put his weapon away.

-- Fate of the Jedi: Vortex

There also the time when Abeloth was able to act within the time-frame of a nanosecond, and attack Luke Skywalker so quickly that a nanosecond was barely enough time for him to dodge her attack.

He had no time to be astonished, barely even the nanosecond required to realize Abeloth had survived her fall into the cleft. He merely felt his feet shoot away and found himself dropping face-first. Luke tucked his chin and managed to flip to his back before he hit the stone floor. Abeloth was on top of him, her flesh blistered and smoking, her remaining leg entwining both of his, her remaining arm wrapped around the back of his neck.

-- Fate of the Jedi: Vortex

So yeah, speed is not an issue for Darth Sidious. As for Darth Sidious, and his fight with Mace Windu.

Anakin's speeder shrieked through the rain, dodging forked bolts of lightning that shot up from towers into the clouds, slicing across traffic lanes, screaming past spacescrapers so fast that his shock-wake cracked windows as he passed.

Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind—the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.

The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?

Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Not even Anakin Skywalker was able to see them clearly moving. When he has no problem seeing star-fighters moving at a respectable fraction of light-speed, and reacting quickly enough to dodge them even when they're about to crash into him.

Obi-Wan was already making that exact move as Anakin spoke. But they were inverted to each other: breaking right shot him one way while Anakin whipped the other. The tri-fighters' cannons ripped space between them, tracking faster than their starfighters could slip. His onboard threat display chimed a warning: two of the droids had remote sensor locks on him. The others must have lit up his partner. "Anakin! Slip-jaws!"

"My thought exactly."

They blew past the tri-fighters, looping in evasive spirals. The droid ships wrenched themselves into pursuit maneuvers that would have killed any living pilot. The slip-jaws maneuver was named for the scissorlike mandibles of the Kashyyyk slash-spider. Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser. For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.

But these particular pilots were far from merely human.

The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.

Heck, even MagnaGuards have relativistic reflexes. Which can't be construed as anything but speed.

Three MagnaGuards, each with a double-ended weapon that generated an energy field impervious to lightsabers, each with reflexes that operated near lightspeed, each with hyper-sophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience and adapt its tactics instantly to any situation, were certainly beyond Obi-Wan's ability to defeat, but it was not Obi-Wan who would defeat them; Obi-Wan wasn't even fighting.

He was only a vessel, emptied of self. The Force, shaped by his skill and guided by his clarity of mind, fought through him. In the Force, he felt their destruction: it was somewhere above and behind him, and only seconds away. He went to meet it with a backflipping leap that the Force used to lift him neatly to an empty droid socket in the ceiling hive. The MagnaGuards sprang after him but he was gone by the time they arrived, leaping higher into the maze of girders and cables and room-sized cargo containers that was the control center's superstructure.

-- Revenge of the Sith

While I am at that.

More on his precognition, and clairvoyance:

Before receiving any training in the Force, Palpatine foresees that Plagueis would arrive at an event on Chandrila and divulges that he has frequent premonitions.

The planet Chandrila sponsored a monthlong retreat for members of the Legislative Youth Program. Once a year young beings from a host of worlds arrived to participate in mock Senate trials in and around Hanna City and to tour Chandrila’s vast agricultural projects, wilderness areas, coral reefs, and garden parks. It was in Gladean Park—a game reserve outside coastal Hanna—that Plagueis paid young Palpatine an unannounced visit. But it was Plagueis who was surprised.

“I knew you would come, Magister,” Palpatine said when Plagueis and 11-4D turned up at one of the game reserve’s viewing blinds.

“How did you know?”

“I knew, that’s all.”

“And just how often are your premonitions correct?”

“Almost always.”

“Curious,” 11-4D remarked while Palpatine was hurrying away to excuse himself from the company of two friends.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Before receiving any training in the Force, Palpatine senses Plagueis' powers.

Palpatine’s lip curled in anger and menace. “Is this the wisdom you offer—the tenets of some arcane cult?”

“The test of its value is whether you can live by it, Palpatine.”

“If I had wanted that I would have forced my parents years ago to surrender me to the Jedi Order instead of transferring me from school to private school.”

Plagueis planted his hands on his hips and laughed without mirth. “And of what possible use do you think a person of your nature would be to the Jedi Order? You’re heartless, ambitious, arrogant, insidious, and without shame or empathy. More, you’re a murderer.” He held Palpatine’s hooded gaze and watched the youth’s hands clench in fists of rage. “Careful, boy,” he said after a moment. “You are not the only being in this plush stateroom with the power to kill.”

Palpatine’s eyes opened wide and he took a step back. “I can sense it...”

Plagueis grew deliberately haughty. “What you sense is a fraction of what I can bring to bear.”

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He sees through the eyes of a beast while hunting.

Blended into the herd, the animal Sidious had fixed his sight on would have been indistinguishable to normal beings. But Sidious had the animal in his mind and was now looking through its eyes, one with it.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He perceives beings around him as blurs of energy.

Pax Teem was about to speak when a Gran messenger intruded on the privacy canopy.

“Senator Kim, we are in receipt of an urgent communiqué from Naboo.”

While Kim was excusing himself, Palpatine dropped into the Force. Conversation at the table grew faint, and the physical forms of Pax Teem and the others became indistinct—more like blurs of lambent energy.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Palpatine feels the presence of a Nightsister, is guided toward her location, and senses dark energies emanating from her.

Some combination of the strictures—or perhaps recognition on Plagueis’s part for his apprentice’s unabated craving to visit Sith worlds—had landed Palpatine on scenic Dathomir. Sparsely populated and largely unexplored, Dathomir wasn’t Korriban or Ziost, but it was powerful in the Force, in part because of its fecundity, but mainly due to the presence of groups of female adepts who practiced dark side magicks.

He was meandering without clear purpose through one of Blue Desert City’s dustier quarters, far from the city center, when became aware of a faint pulse of Force energy, the origin of which was indistinct but close at hand.

Calling more deeply on the Force, he allowed himself to be drawn toward the mysterious source, as if he were a starship surrendering to the embrace of a tractor beam. A tortuous series of turns delivered him into a market area brimming with knockoff goods, ersatz jewelry, and bits and pieces of junk that had found its way to Dathomir from who knew where, and ultimately to a small square amid the hustle and bustle, on one corner of which stood a human female, whose symmetrically blemished face was the color of burnished durasteel, and whose flamboyant clothing identified her as a visitor to the city, likely from some remote village on the planet’s far side. The hood of her crimson robe was raised, and from one shoulder hung a soft bag the size of a small suitcase.

Palpatine moved to the square’s diagonal corner to observe her. She was eyeing individuals in the passing crowd, not as if searching for someone in particular, but with a gaze more in keeping with target acquisition. She didn’t strike Palpatine as a thief or pickpocket, though she did exude a dark energy informed by equal measures of urgency and deceit.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

As his power grows, Palpatine more frequently sees beings through his Force perception and detects details he was oblivious to before.

The hood of his stylish robe raised against a chill wind, Palpatine hurried through the streets of Theed. The sudden turn in the weather abetted his desire to avoid making eye contact with strangers or, worse, encountering anyone he knew. As he grew stronger in the dark side, the profane world became a stranger and stranger place, swept by currents he’d had no previous awareness of and populated by vaguely outlined life-forms he saw as magnitudes of the Force.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

While talking with Plagueis, Dooku, and Sifo-Dyas, Palpatine senses that an onlooker is closely watching him.

Palpatine sensed scrutiny from someone outside the circle the ten of them had formed. Just short of the Senate Building's Great Door, Pax Teem had stopped and was gazing at Palpatine, his eyestalks extended. And Palpatine could hardly blame him, since even he had been caught off guard by Plagueis's eagerness to acknowledge him in public.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

His attention is drawn to an upper window where Sun Guards enter the building.

No sooner did the holoimage dissolve than two of the security men began to advance on him. Sidious readied himself for action. A Force blow to send them reeling back toward the holoprojector, then a leap, arms extended, hands curled into claws, one for each windpipe, which he would tear from their throats—

The Force intruded, drawing his attention to the windows in the upper walls.

At once, the sound of repeating blasters and pained cries echoed from adjacent rooms; then a nerve-jangling shattering of glass as Sun Guards crashed through the high windows and began to rappel to the filthy floor, firing as they slid down on their microfilament lines, catching the Santhe men and the Rodian with so many bolts that their bodies were left quartered by the volleys.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Palpatine senses Sate Pestage outside his door and feels the dark side being unleashed at an attack on Hego Damask.

He was standing in the center of the room when he sensed someone in the corridor outside. Fists pummeled the door; then it slid to one side and Sate Pestage burst into the room. Seeing Palpatine, he came to a sudden stop, and the panicked look he wore on entering transformed to one of visible relief.

“I’ve been trying to reach you,” he nearly screamed, running a hand over his forehead.

Palpatine regarded him quizzically. “I was occupied. What has happened?”

Pestage sank into a chair and looked up at him. “Are you sure you want to know?” He paused, then said, “In the interest of separating what I do from what you do—”

Palpatine’s eyes blazed. “Stop wasting my time and come to the point.”

Pestage gritted his teeth. “The Maladian commander I did business with during the Kim affair.”

“What of him?”

“He contacted me—two, maybe three hours ago. He said that he felt humiliated because of the manner in which the Kim contract had been implemented, and wanted to make it up to me. He said he’d just received word that a Maladian faction had accepted a contract to carry out a major hit on Coruscant, involving someone closely affiliated with Damask Holdings.” Pestage kept his eyes on Palpatine. “I feared it might be you.”

Palpatine swung back to the window to think. Had the Santhe guards planned to turn him over to the Maladians following the holocommunication with Pax Teem?

He turned to Pestage. “Who took out the contract?

“Members of the Gran Protectorate.”

“It fits,” Palpatine said, more to himself.

“What fits?”

“Where are these Gran now?”

“As soon as I heard from the Maladian, I asked Kinman to keep an eye on them. They’re holed up in the Malastare ambassador’s residence.”

Palpatine blinked. “Here? On Coruscant?”

“Of course, here.”

“It’s not possible that they’re offworld?”

“No, they’re downside.”

Palpatine paced away from Pestage. He opened himself fully to the Force, and was left staggered by an inrush of overwhelming malevolence. He planted his left hand on the desk for support and managed a stuttering inhale. Somewhere close by, the dark side was unspooling.

“Palpatine!” Pestage said from behind him.

“Hego Damask,” Palpatine said, without turning around.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

While traveling to Aborah, Sidious has a vision of Aborah and perceives it inordinately saturated in the dark side.

A standard month after the events on Coruscant, Plagueis summoned Sidious to Muunilinst. Sidious had visited the High Port skyhook but had never been invited downside, and now he found himself soaring over one of the planet’s unspoiled blue oceans in a stylish airspeeder piloted by two Sun Guards. As the speeder approached Aborah, he settled deeply into the Force and was rewarded with a vision of the mountain island as a transcendent vortex of dark energy unlike anything he had ever experienced. It was something he would have expected to encounter only on Korriban or some other Sith world.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He senses lifeforms which are used in Plagueis' experiments in locked cells.

Sidious was still trying to make sense of the droid’s statements when they entered a long corridor lined with windowless cells. Through the Force he could sense life-forms behind each locked door.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He knows that Maul is still upset about a snake bite.

"I know you're still upset about the snake that bit you," Sidious said, continuing around the watery orb until he had a clear view of Maul. "I know everything about you, Maul. Everything."

--Taken from The Wrath of Darth Maul

Sidious is aware of a drawing made on the wall of Maul's room.

Maul's steps did not falter as he continued following the droid, but his mind was suddenly racing. He wondered what consequences he might suffer because of the drawing. He said, "Did Master Sidious see the drawing?"

"I don't know. I erased it right after you fell asleep."

"Then how would he even know about the drawing...unless you told him?"

"I didn't have to tell him," TD-D9 said. "You should know by now, child...Sidious knows everything."

--Taken from The Wrath of Darth Maul

Sidious sees Plagueis' form in the Force.

Just arrived on the Hunters’ Moon, Sidious studied Plagueis as the Sith Lord and his droid, 11-4D, viewed a holorecording of a black-robed Zabrak assassin making short work of combat automata in his home on Coruscant, some hovering, some advancing on two legs, others on treads, and all firing blasters.

Twenty years had added a slight stoop to the Muun’s posture and veins that stood out under his thinning white skin. He wore a dark green utility suit that hugged his delicate frame, a green cloak that fell from his bony shoulders to the fort’s stone floor, and a headpiece that hewed to his large cranium. A triangular breath mask covered his ruined, prognathus lower jaw, his mouth, part of his long neck, and what remained of the craggy nose he’d had before the surprise attack in the Fobosi. A device of his own invention, the alloy mask featured two vertical slits and a pair of thin, stiff conduits that linked it to a transpirator affixed to his upper chest, beneath an armored torso harness. He had learned to ingest and imbibe through feeding tubes, and through his nose.

Seen through the Force, he was a nuclear oval of mottled light, a rotating orb of terrifying energy. If the Maladian attack had weakened him physically, it had also helped to shape his etheric body into a vessel sufficiently strong to contain the full power of the dark side.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He senses the position and flight path of the Scimitar even after the cloaking devices render it invisible.

Maul bowed his head and hurried up the rear boarding ramp into the cockpit module. Sidious lingered to watch the ship rise and edge out of the hangar, becoming invisible as it flew over The Works. Through the dark side, he continued to track the Scimitar as it angled north toward the Jedi Temple rather than south, and away from the Senate District.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sidious is capable of interpreting the currents of the Force to ascertain information and does so to learn that Nute Gunray had lied.

Sidious stood motionless and silent on the transmission grid, his fingers steepled, his mind meditating on the eddies and currents of the Force. Those of lesser sensitivity were oblivious to it, but to him it was like an omnipresent mist, invisible but nonetheless tangible, that swirled and drifted constantly about him. No words, no descriptions could begin to convey what it was like; the only way to understand it was to experience it. He had learned over long years of study and meditation how to interpret each and every vagary of its restless flow, no matter how slight. Even without that ability, however, he would have known that Nute Gunray was lying about Hath Monchar's whereabouts.

--Taken from Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter

He senses a communication sent to him before it arrives and ascertains that Maul is telling the truth.

Darth Sidious could feel a slight disturbance in the Force before his scrambled comlink chimed, and knew by this that his apprentice was about to contact him. He stepped to the holoprojector and activated the grid. Privacy failsafes glowed green before he spoke.

"My apprentice. Your mission is complete." It was a statement, not a question. Sidious knew Darth Maul would not call to report failure, and there were no untoward signs in the energies that surrounded his image.

"Yes, my master. The Jedi Padawan died in combat. She fought well, for a neophyte. An explosion generated from our battle destroyed Lorn Pavan and his droid." Darth Sidious nodded. He could feel the truth of the statement even at this distance. This was excellent news.

--Taken from Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter

Sidious views Plaguies through the Force and notices his gathering midi-chlorians. Which keep in mind are microscopic.

Sidious peered at Plagueis through the Force. "Oh, yes, by all means gather your midi-chlorians, Plagueis."

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He feels a disturbance in the Force and then stretches his perception to view distant stars.

A tremor took hold of the planet.

Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world’s core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves. At the quake’s epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn’t constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift.

A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sidious peers into the past to uncover information about Darth Plagueis and Tenebrous.

Sidious had never learned how Plagueis’s own Master had met his end. Had he died at Plagueis’s hand? Had Plagueis, too, experienced a similar exultation on becoming a sole Sith Lord? Had the beast of the end time risen then to peek at the world it was to inhabit, knowing its release was imminent?

He raised his gaze to the ecliptic. The answers were out there, coded in light, speeding through space and time. Liquid fire coursing through him, visions of past and future riffling through his mind, he opened himself to the reconfigured galaxy, as if in an effort to peel away the decades...

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

He feels a sense of loss upon Maul's defeat.

Sidious moved back into the room to take a closer look at Plagueis. Then, after a long moment, he returned to the window and pulled the drapes aside.

His spirit soared, but briefly.

Something was shading his sense of triumph: a vague awareness of a power greater than himself. Was it Plagueis reaching out from the far side of death to vex him? Or was the feeling a mere consequence of apotheosis?

Outside, the summits of the tallest buildings were gilded by the first rays of daylight.

With the Battle of Naboo concluded—lost, in his estimation—Palpatine had no time to bask in adulation or celebrate his win. His first order of business, indeed his first official duty, was to travel to his homeworld to congratulate Queen Amidala and her new allies, the Gungans, on their surprise victory.

It wasn’t until he arrived in Theed and learned of Darth Maul’s defeat at the hands of the Jedi in a power-generator station that he understood in part the reason for the sense of loss and profound solitude he had experienced following the murder of Plagueis.

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Sidious foresees every maneuver Maul and Savage make prior to its use.

But strong as he had become, Maul found himself in awe of Sidious. The Sith Lord was astonishingly fast and efficient, and the Force flowed through him effortlessly. His sabers stabbed and slashed through the smallest hole in an opponent’s guard, his movements never carried him a millimeter out of position, and he could sense every attack Maul and Savage made before it developed.

--Taken from Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy

Sidious notes a detail in a conversation with Darth Tyranus without being told.

Even via hologram, the flickering figure of Darth Sidious, hideous in blue and shadows, seemed to strip his false youth away, leaving his bones brittle, his joints worn thin and knotted with tension. "These are the envoys from Troxar," his Master said. How could he know? Dooku didn't ask. Darth Sidious knew. He always knew.

--Taken from Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

Palpatine can detect currents in events and determine possibilities from them.

Once again, Darth Sidious had divined the actions they would take well in advance of their own deciding. The talent had less to do with being able to peer into the future, than with having access to streams of possibilities. Sidious wasn't unerring. He could be surprised or taken off his guard—as at Geonosis, as in the case of Gunray's mechno-chair—but not for long. His mastery of the dark side of the Force endowed him with the power to decipher the currents that comprised the future, and to comprehend that while those currents were manifold, they were not boundless. Such mastery was one of the skills that distinguished Sidious from Yoda, who believed the future was so much in motion it could not be read with any clarity—especially during times when the dark side was on the ascendant. But how could Yoda be expected to see the whole picture with one eye closed? Deliberately closed.

--Taken from Labyrinth of Evil

Sidious can perceive events wherever darkness exists and feels Anakin's turmoil and the approach of Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin, and Agen Kolar.

The Coruscant nightfall was spreading through the galaxy. The darkness in the Force was no hindrance to the shadow in the Chancellor's office; it was the darkness. Wherever darkness dwelled, the shadow could send perception. In the night, the shadow felt the boy's anguish, and it was good. The shadow felt the grim determination of four Jedi Masters approaching by air. This, too, was good.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Also, some more information on Darth Sidious's presence within the force.

Count Dooku sees Palpatine's power through the Force as an event horizon. A black hole in the force suggesting he is a wound in the force.

Now the scene below subtly altered, though to the physical eye there was no change. Powered by the dark side, Dooku's perception took the measure of those below him with exhilarating precision.

Kenobi was luminous, a transparent being, a window onto a sunlit meadow of the Force.

Skywalker was a storm cloud, flickering with dangerous lightning, building the rotation that threatens a tornado.

And then there was Palpatine, of course: he was beyond power. He showed nothing of what might be within. Though seen with the eyes of the dark side itself, Palpatine was an event horizon. Beneath his entirely ordinary surface was absolute, perfect nothingness. Darkness beyond darkness.

A black hole of the Force.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine himself is a Force nexus. He distorts space, and time with his very presence.

The key to Luke's turning is the moment when he and Leia realize the Emperor is no longer defined by his physical form, but has become a chaotic nexus of dark energies that swell and burst open the fabric of space, tearing apart everything in the vicinity, human and machine.

--Taken from the Dark Empire endnotes

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I think the logic is more similar to the concept of Young's Modulus in which the material acts normally as any other rigid body (meaning it will obey the classical kinematics/dynamic for rigid system) until you introduce enough force to cause mechanical changes. So Capt can throw it and use it as a normal shield.

In terms of Young's Modulus this is demonstrated as material deformation, in terms of a hypothetical vibranium, the excess energy would lead to it being absorb.

I think the more interesting question is where does this absorb energy go? Conservation law says that energy cannot be created or destroyed so either the energy dissipates rapidly (deflection) or is transformed into something else (shock-wave, heat, light, deformation, etc).

But we don't consistently see those things happening special considering that the energy is implied to be "absorb" not results into an elastic collision.

That would imply that vibranium is some kind of quantum mechanically engineered material that violates apparent probability or it contains some extra-dimensional spaces that redirect the "absorb" energy into to some pocket dimension.

You see, this is a good answer.

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@jay_z94: You possess the patience of an actual saint.

I am the one with the patience of an actual saint here. Also, hilarious that your side of the argument is claiming I am doing a circle jerk.

When you guys have been jacking each other off since page fucking one.

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@cergic said:

@jay_z94: You possess the patience of an actual saint.

Haha thanks.

You know you're on the weird side of Comicvine, when you actually have to provide proof that Wolverine can be cut by knives and swords.

Oh, this is rich.

You really know you're on the weird side of Comicvine when you debate against people who argue in favor of Wolverine winning a fight based on the fact angry drunks, and homeless people can beat him up.

The best part is that you even tried to say you weren't going to continue this argument, and said it was a waste of time. Yet, the moment I log off and do my night shift at work? I see you regurgitating your same rhetoric. It's almost as if you're fixated on this.

So, tell me something:

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Joint dislocations don't mean the that the joints are completely sperated, and there different severities of joint dislocations. Show me proof of Wolverine joints completely seperating. There are other tissues in your neck that can be snapped, show me proof that Logan's cervical vertabrae were detached. in-fact, in the Sabretooth incident you ca see that this is not true as his head is still aligned and facing forward.

The fact that his joints can be broken at all means they're not made out of adamantium. Which is the point I was making to begin with. I already provided evidence of that, and that's the only evidence I needed to provide to begin with. As you can see in Sabertooth incident his head twisted backwards enough that his vertebrae popped out, and I already made note of in triplicate that is the case.

We've already discussed this, writers don't have a great sense of scale. They think "Adamantium bones" means that Wolverine can't be ripped apart, which is scientifically innaccurate, just like pretty much any feat in comics. But the fact remains, that Ba'al said "why can't a rip you apart?" and not "Why can't I crush your bones".

I have already discussed this. This is arguing the writer's intent. Which is impossible to do unless you're the writer himself. So, going by what is actually said and what Wolverine notes we have to interpret it by what he actually means and not by whatever fan-fiction you want to come up with. In this case you're just trying to make your speculation fact.

No, Wolverine can not regrow a new body from his head. This has never been specified or shown.

It is specified and shown. We even see him regenerate from his eyeballs when he is nearly destroyed by Nitro.

In fact, The Xavier protocols which were first shown in Excalibur issue 100 explicitly state that the removal of his head and keeping it far away would kill him.

Which are wrong as made clear by the fact we have seen Wolverine regenerate from much worse than that. Which proves that they had no idea what they were talking about.

And they acknowledged that in order to do this, they would first need to remove his adamantium first. This is very clear.

Nope, they never state this. They do it because as we have seen before his regenerate abilities are positively ridiculous.

If they didn't get rid of his bones they couldn't get to all of his cells.

Again, a magical demon from a magical dimension. And he does in-fact have power there, as you can see from the scan below, he was able to copy Colossos and then cave his chest in and age him:

Another lie on your part. We never see S'ym create that Colossus, and only thing we know is that S'ym punched a hole in its chest. Which is what he claims responsibility for. We already know Belasco is the one responsible for the realm itself.

Have you read all of Wolverine volumes 1, 2, 3 and 4? Evidently not. Especially not volume 2, since you knew nothing about the katana and don't how the artist draws

I didn't claim I read Wolverine Vol. 2. Which is I asked about the katana, and as you revealed it was muramasa which was ridiculous example to use. You don't know the artists intent either. Have you ever talked to the artist before? Can you read his mind?

As I already noted he drew dark splotches in order to signify that which is commonplace in illustrations.

But he did not heal from the first wound so quickly. After she cut him, the was fighting with Silver Samurai for a while, then Logan intervened. Then she ran off, and Wolverine brought down the whole bar with his claws. Then he finally caught up to her and that's where he states in the scan I provided "bleeding has stopped", he never said the wound had fully healed. And if you new enough about Wolverine, you'd know know that his healing factor was not that fast before Magneto took out his adamantium.

I know that but the thing is Wolverine still had a healing factor before then. Which is what you're ignoring right now. Which would fast enough to at least stop the bleeding before then. The act of entirely healing the wouldn't be necessary. As we see the wound, and the line drawn to depict the cut. As well as some dark splotches to who some blood. I already provided the scans for you, and noted in which one in specific where it happens. Do I have to draw some more circles, and arrows pointing it out?

What i'm saying is, when Thor is in the sun, the writer only sees that as heat resistance. They don't take into consideration the other effects that would take place in the sun, like radiation and the pressure, etc. Again, they don't have the best sense of scale.

Which is arguing writer intent. Which is not something you can do because you're not a writer. Most importantly, you're not this writer. You're trying to argue the nature of the sun is different with no evidence to prove that. You have to prove this sun doesn't have radiation, pressure, or anything else it usually does.

That's an outlier feat for Grey Hulk. Show me professor Hulk using planetary strength.

I already noted Professor Hulk pushing through Vector's telekinesis. As I noted Vector's telekinesis is powerful enough to move planets.

This shows that you don't need a specific type of attack. Vector just pushes things with his telekinesis. There is no thermal energy, or anything else. Just kinetic energy, and despite that Professor Hulk's skin was torn away.

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No, you're the one saying they don't adhere to the laws of physics. I've only said they Wolverine's joint can't be seperated to due to the writers not giving a scientific explanation. The claws still have physical properties.

Which was when you were arguing that it adheres to the laws of physics. That's what you changed your rhetoric to. When I brought up what happened to Limbo, and you claimed that it since it didn't adhere to the laws of physics it could weaken Wolverine's bones.

Hulk had a goog grip and they only cut him when Wolverine sheathed the claws.

How could the Hulk get a good grip on something that would cut through his hands the moment he did?

Let's not forget that Hulk is arguably the strongest hero, if he couldn't pull Wolverine apart, how do Cain or Luthor have a chance?

Which makes this an outlier. Since the Hulk having problems tearing him apart makes no sense. When S'ym was able to do it. You really have no idea how ridiculous it is for the Hulk to not to be able to do this.

But your talking about a different artist 15 years later, which makes no sense at all. The artist who drew the guy hitting Logan's neck with the sword does not draw blood splatters at impact, simple as that. The artist for Wolverin 19 has no relevance whatsoever in the point i'm trying to make.

You're not understanding what this is here. This is an art choice that has existed for much longer than that. The reason it exists is so they can avoid making things seem graphic. They are not the only comic book artists that do this. This is way to convey wounds, and bleeding while avoiding those pesky people looking over their shoulders.

But in the first panel you can actually see that the katana cuts through his shirt. How are we meant to see any damage if we can't see skin? You're being ridiculous now.

No, we don't that is literally something we don't see. As I already made note of your perspective is messed up. If it did cut through his shirt, and we didn't see any damage that proves my point rather than disproving it. Besides that, we don't see the shirt torn. You might be referring to the second panel. However, that's not the shirt being torn. That;s the sleeve to the shirt where his arm was.

But writers don't take this into consideration. You brought up the fact that writers don't have a sense of scale, yet you're ignoring this when it comes to Wolverine.

I am not ignoring this. I am making note of this fact. Which is why I brought up the problem that writers don't know how collateral damage works. That, or rather a lot of them don't and only some of them do. As seen with the Professor Hulk instance where his skin was torn away.

Do you have problems understanding what i'm saying. I said show me Logan's skin, we can't see skin in that scan.

I have been asking that from you for a while now. The fact we can't, and the fact not even his shirt is damaged supports my side of the argument.

Now you're just trying to shift the burden of proof.

So now are you just going to say that the 100's of times Logan's been cut, its because it's a feat against Wolverine? Insanity. You're basing this one ONE scan, that doesn't even prove what you want it to. Who's igoring consistency now? I'll give you scans of Wolverine being stabbed and cut in my next post, I don't want my laptop to freeze halfway through this one.

Straw man, yet again on your part. I didn't say they were all feats against Wolverine. You brought that up, and were asking if that's what I thought. My retort was that they were feats in favor of the characters that hurt him. Which shows those people are not normal considering what we know Wolverine is capable of. Unless you want to argue normal human beings are fast enough to beat up Wolverine, and pose a threat to him. In which case Luther Strode is going to punching him around all day before breaking his neck like Sabertooth did.

Yet it doesn't in comics.

I just proved you wrong with the instance where Professor Hulk pushes through Vector's telekinesis.

And that's why there's also scans of people failing to rip him apart, to solidy this.

Which only "show" that by your interpretation of them, and your refusal to accept context.

Nope, what's on paper, is People trying and failing to rip him apart.

I wonder what you have to say about this too. Don't tell me. The sentinel was holding back too. Just like Cyclops.

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They're best buddies don't you know.

In terms of the adamantium saw scans, So what if the device it's in is broken? It's not adamantium and it's irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant it shows that the entire device was straining against Wolverine's vertebrae including the blade. It is connected to the device directly.

The blade is smoking because it got stuck on Logan's spine.

The blade is smoking because it was being worn down from trying to cut through Wolverine's vertebrae. You do not see that much smoke unless something has happened to the blade.

Failing to do nothing does not make it inferior, adamantium can't cut adamantium.

Yeah, it does because in this not only did it fail both the device it was apart and itself look like they were about to fall to pieces.

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@boogeymonster:

Wolverine vol 4 issue 15:

Wolverine vol 4 issue 306:

Wolverine vol 2, issue 43:

New Avengers vol 1 issue 30:

So, rather than arguing that the individuals who did this to him were exceptional? You are going to argue that angry drunks, and homeless people are able to beat him up? That any particular ninja poses a threat to him (ignoring that these ninja were from the Hand). That any normal human being is fast enough, and strong enough to fight him. That they can even hurt him, and that he is helpless against them.

I can work with that. Thank you so very much by the way. You have just proven that Wolverine stands absolutely no chance against Luther Strode in a fight, and that a better match up would be against someone living under a bridge in a cardboard box.

Two new things I've learnt from this guy:

1. Ba'al was actually lying, he wasn't trying to rip Wolverine apart.

Nope, that's not what I said. I said he was trying to rip him apart by breaking his bones first.

However, at this point it seems clear to me that the straw man is your bread and butter.

2. Wolverine is invulnerable and can't be cut by normal blades.

Which is hilarious because you would argue in favor of that even if it means that normal human beings are able to beat him up.

Also, it was most certainly primary adamantium, as it hasn't been retconned.

Show me that the buzzsaw is ever stated to be primary adamantium, and not secondary adamantium.

You can't because it never is, and what's worse we see is nearly break against Wolverine's vertebrae.

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Three, and four.

However, gameplay mechanics might be acceptable if they're grounded in things that exist outside of them. Say for example how Alex Mercer can throw around tanks, and destroy them in gameplay. That really wouldn't fall under things like HP/MP, or status effects. It's just lifting, and throwing things.

Then there are scripted events that happen regardless of player input, things in the background, and things that happen as sort of animations and mini cut-scenes. Which happens as part of the story, or the area you're in. Anything that's part of the environment.

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@jay_z94 said:

@boogeymonster: Also, I'm up for agreeing to disagree.

This is a huge waste of time as we clearly aren't going to agree.

This is one thing we can both agree on.