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#1 Posted by BOC (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

Age of Ultron? Trio

Infinity war is debatable.

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#2 Posted by BOC (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkbusterx9: It was in a tie in comic iirc. I find it to be outlierish, but for the sake of this debate I didn't bother with that. That would have gotten us off-topic.

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People do you care for feats anyomore, cap is easily bullet timer by feats

Dodges a bullet after it fired.

and reactions can be scaled, yes their enhancements come from a different source, but fact that cap can fight evenly with Black panther , hit him and dodge his strikes prove how fast he is, considering that black panther is casual bullet timer.

Reactions definitely cannot be scaled. Your example with Black Panther would make DCEU Ares a bullet timer since he fought with WW. As much as it sucks, these characters (BP and WW) don't fight beyond peak human at best.

As for the feat: If Cap bullet timed there then Wonder Woman lightning timed here. Not the bolt, the blast. Don't you agree? Both instances the character is seen moving after it is fired, and both instances seem to take a little bit longer to reach the opponent than it would irl.

It's possible that Cap bullet timed there, I just want to see if you show consistency when it comes to DCEU.

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Stalemate, Cap can do this all day and Wolverine can’t die.

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#6 Posted by BOC (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

Neck feats?

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#7 Posted by BOC (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

@tedirey said:

Probably this but without the killing.

What!?

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#8 Posted by BOC (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

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@keyfirstnaten: I have no doubt that she had the upper hand. But if he massively outstrengthed her, he would have been able to flex out.

Her superior positioning and further use of her limbs allowed her to close the gap between their respective strength-levels. Legs are twice as strong as arms, yet she was still struggling. This means that Doomsday massively outmatches her in strength.

Geez, you're just gettin' whooped by me left and right. Why not quit and call it a day?

So three times her upper body was required to restrain DD's upper body? Okay. DD was also struggling to get out. So DD's upper body is about 3-4 Wonder Woman's upper body. It baffles me as to how you think this is within War Machines strength range, but we can continue.

You are aware that a punch outputs much less force than you can lift, right? If his upper body is 3-4 times that of Wonder Woman's, then she should be able to use her strength to block a punch from DD. This is due to the fact that she is using two arms and practically lifting strength, while DD is using one arm and is using striking strength.

Furthermore, Doomsday not holding back is evident in the speed of his punch. It's the same speed as all of his strikes. It would be physically impossible to hold back whilst punching at the same speed. Especially to the degree you are claiming.

Doomsday wasn't able free himself because the lasso tightened around him and put him in an awkward position where it was impossible to do so. It wasn't a proper test of test, so it cannot be used.

There was no shock-wave made when Diana blocked his punch, so he wasn't punching with the same force that he was before. This is an absolute fact. So there is no reason to think that he struck her with more force than the weight of a tank.

It was not "impossible" to get out, it just required him to be massively stronger than her.

Doomsday never created a shockwave with his punches. He only ever created mach cones from the fact that he sent his opponents flying at supersonic speeds. The shockwave argument is weird coming from an MCU standpoint since War Machine never creates shockwaves, while Wonder Woman created one with a headbutt. Does this make WW stronger?

It wasn't a fair test of strength so you cannot scale Wonder-Woman off it.

Doomsday created shock-waves everytime he punched Superman, but not Wonder-Woman because it wasn't necessary. Also, it doesn't matter if War Machine doesn't create shock-waves with his punches because lifting a heavier tank already makes him stronger than Wonder-Woman.

I'm not saying she is stronger than Doomsday. But yes, from that feat we can break down the forces and scale her off of it.

I just said DD never created a shockwave, only mach cones.

I was just pointing out that you used a shockwave argument in order to depict strength, when MCU is notorious for not using shockhaves. If a shockwave means more force, then WW hits harder than War Machine according to you.

Off topic: This won't affect your credibility or anything, but if you don't mind me asking, how old are you? Just curiosity.

No you cannot scale her off of Doomsday because it wasn't a fair test of strength like it was when she went up against Steppenwolf and Superman.

It doesn't matter if War Machine doesn't create mach-cones with his punches because lifting a heavier tank already makes him stronger than Wonder-Woman.

I'm 14 years old.

Except it's quantifiable. I'm not claiming she is as strong, but that feat puts her in his league.

We're getting off-topic here. You said DD didn't create a shockwave with his punch against WW. To which I responded with the fact that he never creates shockwaves. only mach cones. And since his punch came at exactly the same speeds as his other punches, it would be impossible for him to have used less force.

Cool.

It's not quantifiable because all we know is that it took less than half his strength to overpower Wonder-Woman, that's it.

We're getting off-topic here. You said DD didn't create a shockwave with his punch against WW. To which I responded with the fact that he never creates shockwaves. only mach cones. And since his punch came at exactly the same speeds as his other punches, it would be impossible for him to have used less force.

Doomsday created mach-cones every time he punched Superman, but not Wonder-Woman. So his strike against her in that one instance was of lesser force than every other strike that came before.

Nothing you've said has shown us that Wonder-Woman is stronger than Rhodes.

Do you know what a mach cone is? It occurs when an object moves faster than sound, breaking the sound barrier. All his other hits sent them flying, creating a mach cone. This hit she blocked, making it impossible to create a mach cone. I already explained how moving at the same speeds would make his punches scientifically the same.

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#9 Posted by BOC (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

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@keyfirstnaten: I have no doubt that she had the upper hand. But if he massively outstrengthed her, he would have been able to flex out.

Her superior positioning and further use of her limbs allowed her to close the gap between their respective strength-levels. Legs are twice as strong as arms, yet she was still struggling. This means that Doomsday massively outmatches her in strength.

Geez, you're just gettin' whooped by me left and right. Why not quit and call it a day?

So three times her upper body was required to restrain DD's upper body? Okay. DD was also struggling to get out. So DD's upper body is about 3-4 Wonder Woman's upper body. It baffles me as to how you think this is within War Machines strength range, but we can continue.

You are aware that a punch outputs much less force than you can lift, right? If his upper body is 3-4 times that of Wonder Woman's, then she should be able to use her strength to block a punch from DD. This is due to the fact that she is using two arms and practically lifting strength, while DD is using one arm and is using striking strength.

Furthermore, Doomsday not holding back is evident in the speed of his punch. It's the same speed as all of his strikes. It would be physically impossible to hold back whilst punching at the same speed. Especially to the degree you are claiming.

Doomsday wasn't able free himself because the lasso tightened around him and put him in an awkward position where it was impossible to do so. It wasn't a proper test of test, so it cannot be used.

There was no shock-wave made when Diana blocked his punch, so he wasn't punching with the same force that he was before. This is an absolute fact. So there is no reason to think that he struck her with more force than the weight of a tank.

It was not "impossible" to get out, it just required him to be massively stronger than her.

Doomsday never created a shockwave with his punches. He only ever created mach cones from the fact that he sent his opponents flying at supersonic speeds. The shockwave argument is weird coming from an MCU standpoint since War Machine never creates shockwaves, while Wonder Woman created one with a headbutt. Does this make WW stronger?

It wasn't a fair test of strength so you cannot scale Wonder-Woman off it.

Doomsday created shock-waves everytime he punched Superman, but not Wonder-Woman because it wasn't necessary. Also, it doesn't matter if War Machine doesn't create shock-waves with his punches because lifting a heavier tank already makes him stronger than Wonder-Woman.

I'm not saying she is stronger than Doomsday. But yes, from that feat we can break down the forces and scale her off of it.

I just said DD never created a shockwave, only mach cones.

I was just pointing out that you used a shockwave argument in order to depict strength, when MCU is notorious for not using shockhaves. If a shockwave means more force, then WW hits harder than War Machine according to you.

Off topic: This won't affect your credibility or anything, but if you don't mind me asking, how old are you? Just curiosity.

No you cannot scale her off of Doomsday because it wasn't a fair test of strength like it was when she went up against Steppenwolf and Superman.

It doesn't matter if War Machine doesn't create mach-cones with his punches because lifting a heavier tank already makes him stronger than Wonder-Woman.

I'm 14 years old.

Except it's quantifiable. I'm not claiming she is as strong, but that feat puts her in his league.

We're getting off-topic here. You said DD didn't create a shockwave with his punch against WW. To which I responded with the fact that he never creates shockwaves. only mach cones. And since his punch came at exactly the same speeds as his other punches, it would be impossible for him to have used less force.

Cool.

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#10 Posted by BOC (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

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@keyfirstnaten: I have no doubt that she had the upper hand. But if he massively outstrengthed her, he would have been able to flex out.

Her superior positioning and further use of her limbs allowed her to close the gap between their respective strength-levels. Legs are twice as strong as arms, yet she was still struggling. This means that Doomsday massively outmatches her in strength.

Geez, you're just gettin' whooped by me left and right. Why not quit and call it a day?

So three times her upper body was required to restrain DD's upper body? Okay. DD was also struggling to get out. So DD's upper body is about 3-4 Wonder Woman's upper body. It baffles me as to how you think this is within War Machines strength range, but we can continue.

You are aware that a punch outputs much less force than you can lift, right? If his upper body is 3-4 times that of Wonder Woman's, then she should be able to use her strength to block a punch from DD. This is due to the fact that she is using two arms and practically lifting strength, while DD is using one arm and is using striking strength.

Furthermore, Doomsday not holding back is evident in the speed of his punch. It's the same speed as all of his strikes. It would be physically impossible to hold back whilst punching at the same speed. Especially to the degree you are claiming.

Doomsday wasn't able free himself because the lasso tightened around him and put him in an awkward position where it was impossible to do so. It wasn't a proper test of test, so it cannot be used.

There was no shock-wave made when Diana blocked his punch, so he wasn't punching with the same force that he was before. This is an absolute fact. So there is no reason to think that he struck her with more force than the weight of a tank.

It was not "impossible" to get out, it just required him to be massively stronger than her.

Doomsday never created a shockwave with his punches. He only ever created mach cones from the fact that he sent his opponents flying at supersonic speeds. The shockwave argument is weird coming from an MCU standpoint since War Machine never creates shockwaves, while Wonder Woman created one with a headbutt. Does this make WW stronger?

It wasn't a fair test of strength so you cannot scale Wonder-Woman off it.

Doomsday created shock-waves everytime he punched Superman, but not Wonder-Woman because it wasn't necessary. Also, it doesn't matter if War Machine doesn't create shock-waves with his punches because lifting a heavier tank already makes him stronger than Wonder-Woman.

I'm not saying she is stronger than Doomsday. But yes, from that feat we can break down the forces and scale her off of it.

I just said DD never created a shockwave, only mach cones.

I was just pointing out that you used a shockwave argument in order to depict strength, when MCU is notorious for not using shockhaves. If a shockwave means more force, then WW hits harder than War Machine according to you.

Off topic: This won't affect your credibility or anything, but if you don't mind me asking, how old are you? Just curiosity.

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