blackspidey2099

Science, biatch

10125 0 15 70
Forum Posts Wiki Points Following Followers

Top 10 Smartest Marvel Men

List items

  • He is often stated as the smartest man on Earth, by pretty much everyone except people known to be arrogant like Doom and sometimes Tony Stark. He has galactic level intelligence and there's basically nothing he can't do with his mind.

  • He is the only one who may even be smarter than Reed, but his ego and pride have always held him back. Most notably, he is the only person who can stake a claim to being both the best scientist/inventor as well as greatest sorcerer on Earth.

  • The "Scientist Supreme", one of the most intelligence Marvel characters. He is known for his low self esteem and occasional mental instability, but he is also a true super-genius who acn be unfairly downplayed.

  • For a long time, Peter Parker had to make do with the limited resources he had access to, creating potential world-changing inventions on a shoestring budget. However, in more recent times he has been able to take advantage of the opportunities which came his way, and we've been able to get a glimpse of his potential as he created amazing technology ranging from high tech armors to reverse-engineering weapons created to combat Celestials.

  • Although Tony tends to focus more on technology and upgrading his armor over all else, he is certainly a true expert in all other fields of STEM, ranging from biology to theoretical physics. I especially think his expertise gets overlooked a lot in biology, when he's honestly better than the vast majority of this list in that area.

  • Although Bruce Banner is often under estimated, due to being more famous for his brawn, he has, in recent years, been able to show off his intellect more. He may not be number 1, but he is certainly one of the smartest geniuses alive, as shown by his plethora of Bannertech inventions such as force fields.

  • Not only does T'Challa rule the most technologically advanced country on Earth, but he is also probably the smartest person in Wakanda. Backed by a team of scientists, he can create pretty much anything he puts his mind to, and was even the creator of his own field of science - Shadow Physics.

  • The X-Men's resident genius, Hank McCoy is one of the smartest men on Earth, for sure. His feral appearance hides one of the brightest minds on the planet, especially in fields like biology and technology in general. Some of his inventions include amazing devices like time machines, which is why he earns his place on this list.

  • Although Adam Brashear isn't quite as well known as most of the people on this list, he has built up an impressive resume as a scientist in his few appearances - most notably, playing an integral part in transforming Galactus himself from a Devourer of Worlds into a Lifebringer.

  • Most well known for his brand of "hyper math" - calculating trajectories and doing math in his head to use as a combat tool, Amadeus Cho is one of the smartest people on Earth. Although he has been unduly hyped by spouting he is 8th smartest in the world all the time, he does get a spot on the list, if not where he says he is.

35 Comments

Avatar image for thewatcherking
TheWatcherKing

22087

Forum Posts

31

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Spider-man above Tony Stark?

Avatar image for blackspidey2099
blackspidey2099

10125

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

@watcher5000: Ehh, the list isn't really ordered. What I did is I organized them into tiers (so Reed/Doom is top tier, then Pym in a tier of his own right below them, then Bruce/Peter/T'Challa/Tony/Hank, then Cho, then Ock). I just have Peter as second in that little tier since he is my favorite character and he came to my mind right after Bruce. I think it is arguable which one in each tier is smarter.

But tbh, I'm not sure if Ock really belongs here, now that I revisit this list. That might just have been a product of my Spider-Man centric comic knowledge 2/3 years ago...

Avatar image for thedeathstroke
TheDeathstroke

3102

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

I can agree with this for the most part.

Avatar image for deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4
deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4

18365

Forum Posts

152

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Where is The Maker?

Avatar image for blackspidey2099
blackspidey2099

10125

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

@_kingoflatveria: This list was before Maker came to Earth-616. If I made a new one Maker would be 2 or 3. (just my opinion of course)

Avatar image for yoahboy123
YoahBoy123

46

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By YoahBoy123

@blackspidey2099: Your list is complete bs. Spider Man isn't even in Top 10 in the actual list.

The Official list is given on Marvel's own website, although its only for superheroes not villains but still.

No Caption Provided

Here's the source : https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/10-smartest-super-heroes

Spidey is in your name you and you're literally ranking Spiderman above Tony Stark and Bruce Banner, at least try to hide the bias.

Avatar image for yoahboy123
YoahBoy123

46

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for blackspidey2099
blackspidey2099

10125

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

Edited By blackspidey2099

@yoahboy123: Nice try, Mr. Alt. I know you are @x_zayd_x (based on all the posts you made here, then deleted, and then reposted using this alt account) and you've probably just come here because you're butthurt after I wrecked you in our earlier debate where you thought Iron Man can beat Rune King Thor. I guess you're too traumatized from that debate to show your real account around here, and to be fair, I can't blame you for that.

Anyways, your logic is still useless. Marvel.com lists are completely inaccurate and just used for fan service - and the funny part is, you yourself disregard your precious lists when it serves you.

Source: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/marvel/4010-31/forums/8-smartest-in-marvel-749158/?page=1#js-message-22203618
Source: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/marvel/4010-31/forums/8-smartest-in-marvel-749158/?page=1#js-message-22203618

If we're going by what they've actually done and not some dumb list, then my rankings are extremely accurate. You wouldn't know that thought, since you don't know anything about any of the characters on this list.

I'd invite you to debate why you think Tony and Banner are smarter than Peter, but I already know it would be a waste of time considering you clearly have never opened a comic book in your life - as proven by the fact that you think my avatar is Spider-Man when it's actually Anti-Venom. LOL.

Avatar image for yoahboy123
YoahBoy123

46

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By YoahBoy123

@blackspidey2099 said:

Anyways, your logic is still useless. Marvel.com lists are completely inaccurate and just used for fan service - and the funny part is, you yourself disregard your precious lists when it serves you.

Just coz YOU don't like the list doesn't mean its inaccurate or useless. Its still facts no matter how much you hate it. It literally even states that IT IS CANON.

No Caption Provided

The reason why I said Moon Girl isn't in MY top 10 is coz I personally haven't seen anything impressive from her since I haven't read her comics. She is still canonically stated to be the most intelligent person on the planet which I never denied.

As for Tony Stark, he's still stated by Marvel to be number 3 only behind Reed Richards and Moon Girl. Heck, Hank Pym is no.3 in your list and he himself has said that Tony Stark and Reed Richards are smarter than him which Eternity itself agreed.

And Peter Parker doesn't make the Top 10 cut no matter how much you adore the character. Ultimate Spiderman is a super genius but the actual 616 Spiderman isn't, like it or hate it its just facts.

"oH mArVeL dOeSn'T rAnK mY fAvOuRiTe cHaRaCteR iN tOp 10 sO tHey mUsT bE iNaCCuRatE "

Avatar image for blackspidey2099
blackspidey2099

10125

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

@yoahboy123:

Just coz YOU don't like the list doesn't mean its inaccurate or useless. Its still facts no matter how much you hate it. It literally even states that IT IS CANON.

No, it's inaccurate since it's made by a random intern at Marvel who hasn't actually read them.

The reason why I said Moon Girl isn't in MY top 10 is coz I personally haven't seen anything impressive from her since I haven't read her comics. She is still canonically stated to be the most intelligent person on the planet which I never denied.

Similarly, neither Bruce nor Tony have done anything as impressive as Peter, which is why Peter is ranked higher than them on this list.

As for Tony Stark, he's still stated by Marvel to be number 3 only behind Reed Richards and Moon Girl. Heck, Hank Pym is no.3 in your list and he himself has said that Tony Stark and Reed Richards are smarter than him which Eternity itself agreed.

Well, Ultron, who's smarter than anyone on this list, stated that Hank Pym is the smartest person on Earth. Reed Richards also said Peter is as smart as he is and could replicate anything he has done - on the other hand, Reed said that he is smarter than Tony or Bruce.

And Peter Parker doesn't make the Top 10 cut no matter how much you adore the character. Ultimate Spiderman is a super genius but the actual 616 Spiderman isn't, like it or hate it its just facts.

Have you read the comics? Ultimate Spider-Man is far less intelligent than 616 Spider-Man, who is a super-genius as stated in the comics:

No Caption Provided

Avatar image for yoahboy123
YoahBoy123

46

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By YoahBoy123

@blackspidey2099:

"No, it's inaccurate since it's made by a random intern at Marvel who hasn't actually read them."

Give me factual evidence that its made by a RANDOM INTERN at Marvel WHO HASN'T ACTUALLY READ THE COMICS.

"Similarly, neither Bruce nor Tony have done anything as impressive as Peter, which is why Peter is ranked higher than them on this list."

Are you trolling or are you actually dumb ? Tony Stark has made hundreds of battle suits in his career, he is CLASS 100 STRENGTH (way more than Spiderman) capable of lifting hundreds of thousands of tons, flying at super sonic/hyper sonic speeds. Heck, Iron Man has even outran a literal black hole by flying at faster that light i.e. warp speed.

In the most recent Iron Man comic, Tony Stark even made a whole virtual universe called "eScape" to amplify the human experience which also allowed its users to go anywhere, become anyone and do anything. eScape was populated by a myriad of A.I.s acting as non-player characters.

No Caption Provided

Can a Spider Man suit even fly ? Exactly

Not only that. Tony Stark has built -

What has Peter built that compares to this ? Web shooters ?

Reed Richards, the smartest person on Earth in Marvel's history himself admitted that Tony Stark is only a fraction below him. And he didn't even say it to Tony so you can't say "he said that as a compliment or gesture", no, he clearly means it.

No Caption Provided

Not only that, Tony Stark -

"Well, Ultron, who's smarter than anyone on this list, stated that Hank Pym is the smartest person on Earth."

1. Give scans of where he said that.

2. Hank Pym made him

3. Did Eternity itself agreed ?

"Reed Richards also said Peter is as smart as he is and could replicate anything he has done"

1. Said to whom ? Peter ? Was it a Spiderman comic ? Otherwise it doesn't matter. Give scans.

2. Did Eternity itself agreed ? I don't think so.

@noone1996 Tell 'em about who's smarter, he's clearly lost it.

Avatar image for noone1996
Noone1996

15820

Forum Posts

400

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@yoahboy123: Not sure if I'm totally on-board with everything said, but the idea that Stark and Banner haven't done anything as "impressive" as Peter is ludicrous. I remember the battle mod Morpheus once stated that what Tony's A.I. (which is not as smart as the real guy) built and had countermeasures for in Secret Empire #6 alone blows anything Peter Parker has done away. I basically agreed.

Avatar image for noone1996
Noone1996

15820

Forum Posts

400

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

As for the list itself, it's pretty good. I just think Pym and Peter should be 2 or 3 steps lower.

Avatar image for yoahboy123
YoahBoy123

46

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By YoahBoy123

@noone1996 said:

@yoahboy123: Not sure if I'm totally on-board with everything said, but the idea that Stark and Banner haven't done anything as "impressive" as Peter is ludicrous. I remember the battle mod Morpheus once stated that what Tony's A.I. (which is not as smart as the real guy) built and had countermeasures for in Secret Empire #6 alone blows anything Peter Parker has done away. I basically agreed.

Exactly. This guy ranks Hank Pym as no.3 whose literal first reaction after discovering that Tony Stark is Iron Man was that he is no longer the "smartest person in the room", its Tony. Hank has said that not once but many times that Tony is smarter than him. Most significant being when he told Eternity that Reed and Tony are smarter than him which Eternity itself agreed.

Besides, Tony has more than enough feats to even give Reed Richards a run for his money.

Peter barely makes the top 10 cut, let alone top 5 imo.

Avatar image for noone1996
Noone1996

15820

Forum Posts

400

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

@yoahboy123: Agreed. Although I do still think Reed and Doom are smarter.

Avatar image for yoahboy123
YoahBoy123

46

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@noone1996: Yeah I know. My point was that Tony Stark is only below Reed Richards in the superhero roster.

Avatar image for blackspidey2099
blackspidey2099

10125

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

Edited By blackspidey2099

@yoahboy123:

Give me factual evidence that its made by a RANDOM INTERN at Marvel WHO HASN'T ACTUALLY READ THE COMICS.

Who was it made by then? Cebulski himself? Jason Aaron? Nick Spencer? Clearly it wasn't an actual Marvel writer who made the list.

Are you trolling or are you actually dumb ? Tony Stark has made hundreds of battle suits in his career, he is CLASS 100 STRENGTH (way more than Spiderman) capable of lifting hundreds of thousands of tons, flying at super sonic/hyper sonic speeds. Heck, Iron Man has even outran a literal black hole by flying at faster that light i.e. warp speed.

Tony is great at making suits of armor, I'm not denying that. Peter has also made impressive armored suits (I'd say he's like third or fourth best at making armored suits on this list) but he isn't as good as Tony at it.

In the most recent Iron Man comic, Tony Stark even made a whole virtual universe called "eScape" to amplify the human experience which also allowed its users to go anywhere, become anyone and do anything. eScape was populated by a myriad of A.I.s acting as non-player characters.

Yeah I've read the comic and he made a virtual reality MMO videogame... It's not really all that impressive, and he didn't even do it on his own as we see hundreds of employees helping him work on it in the comic.

Can a Spider Man suit even fly ?

Yeah, multiple can. For example: Spider-Armor Mark III (Marvel Fact Files 1)

Not only that. Tony Stark has built -

You literally copied a respect thread and the vast majority of those are pretty unimpressive. Like seriously, toasters? Anti-landmines? Medical equipment? A random big bomb? A large server array? Those aren't things you'd pull out in a discussion regarding the smartest people in a fictional sci-fi universe.

Anti-matter Negative Zone Portal

So basically a portal between dimensions? Spider-Man is also an expert on interdimensional travel:

Airborne cameras the size of skin cells

So nano-cameras? Spider-Man doesn't have anything exactly the same, but he does have impressive nanotech feats: Spider-Man's nanotech can interface with, rework, improve, and steal information from other technology (Amazing Spider-Man v4 5)

AIDS Vaccine

Did you even read the scan? Tony says that they're researching/trying to find an AIDS vaccine, not that they have one already.

Flying Car

Spider-Man built one too.

Electrical weapon capable of overloading Shockwave. Also knows French

Spider-Man has electrical weapons too... And knowing French? Seriously?

Iron Spider suit

The Iron Spider was retconned to have been co-designed by both Tony and Peter.

Negative Zone Prison

Ragnarok, a nerfed Thor clone who easily one-shotted Bill Foster

Both of these were team projects between Stark, Reed, and Skrull Pym.

Rebuilds Asgard

I don't really see this as an intelligence feat since there's nothing to do with advanced tech there. Just repulsors.

The Swarm, which is made up of atomic-sized picoprocessors. Iron Man can not only use them as data storage but also manipulate trillions of them to rip through giant constructs.

Did Tony Stark even make that? It looks like someone else who's talking about having invented that while Tony wasn't in the picture. Either way, it's just more nanotech computers just like what Peter has.

Dark Matter Accelerator

A city busting WMD? Spider-Man solved the equations to create a continental anti-matter bomb in minutes because he was bored. He didn't build it, but neither did Tony with the dark matter accelerator.

With Nohvarr's help creates a time machine

Noh-Varr was the one who created the time machine, and it was with help from Tony Stark and Peter Parker.

Powerful weather satellites capable of harming Ares and staggering Sentry

I've seen those and they're impressive. Spider-Man doesn't have anything directly comparable.

Sol's Hammer, which at .008% power could power a moon, and at 2% power, can destroy planets. Sol's Hammer does this to Gladiator's fleet and the moon and destroys the Rogue Planet.

Tony just hired a bunch of Shi'ar contractors to build him glorified solar panels around the Sun to harness its energy. Peter built a device that literally replicates the conditions inside the Sun.

Ghost tech

Ghost tech, as the name suggests, is literally just tech Tony took from the supervillain Ghost.

Memory reconstruction/virtual reality tech

Reading the scan, it looks like Google Maps Street View with a Virtual Reality helmet...

Captain America's energy shield

That's impressive. Peter created a hard-light power glove which can replicate any other tech, including Iron Man armor, Doombot tech, and, you guessed it, Captain America's energy shield.

Illuminati transponder lets him teleport, even through time

I'm pretty sure Reed created that.

Tech lets him pilot suits from hundreds of light years away

I'm pretty sure tech like that is extremely common in space stories at Marvel.

Future prediction program

An advanced simulation program isn't all that impressive either.

Anti-telepathy tech

Peter has anti-telepathy tech too - Spider-Man created a chip that blocks hippocampal interference to defend against body swaps and other mental attacks (Marvel Team-Up v4 1)

Adamantium Sentinels. They work by shrinking superhumans and containing them in their bodies. They even work on the likes of Thor.

They work by using Pym Particles to shrink superhumans and contain them in an adamantium cage. The only reason they're impressive is because Stark used Pym's tech to make them.

Extremis App. Extremis can be used for a variety of purposes biologically, such as curing an incurable fatal disease.

Tony wasn't the one who invented Extremis IIRC.

SPIN nanites used to depower whoever they are genetically coded to

Peter also has nanites that can depower people: Spider-Man creates self-replicating nanites that take away Goblin powers, and aren't affected by serum potent enough to kill thousands (Amazing Spider-Man v4 32)

Tony upgrades a Builder spaceship nearly as large as Jupiter's Red Spot, which IIRC is larger than Earth by a significant margin.

He didn't upgrade it... he just added an AI to it so that it could pilot itself. Still impressive, but far less than what you made it out to be.

Creates his own element

Not impressive at all. People IRL create elements that are added onto the periodic table.

Shields can supposedly hold Magus

It seems like Magus wants to be in there, which is why he smiles.

Bio-Mark-One

Spider-Man also built tech that can hack into neural impulses, but since he's not evil he doesn't mind control people. It also works on anyone, not just those infected with the Extremis Virus. Spider-Man creates technology that can wirelessly hijack nerve cells (Spider-Man/Deadpool 17)

What has Peter built that compares to this ? Web shooters ?

I've already given plenty of examples.

Reed Richards, the smartest person on Earth in Marvel's history himself admitted that Tony Stark is only a fraction below him.

Reed Richards is envious of Spider-Man's expertise in biology and calls Peter "the biology guy" (Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four (2007) 4)

Spider-Man equals Reed Richards' test scores (Spider-Man/Human Torch 3)

Not only that, Tony Stark -

I can't be bothered to respond to that stuff one by one, but here:

Peter also has done things Tony has trouble with, and Tony has even asked for his help on multiple occasions:

"Well, Ultron, who's smarter than anyone on this list, stated that Hank Pym is the smartest person on Earth."

My bad, he didn't exactly say that. He did directly say that Pym >>> Stark though. Ultron is even biased against Pym since he hates Pym so much.

What does Eternity have to do with it? Eternity agreed that Reed is smarter than Pym; he didn't say anything about Tony being smarter. "He is smarter than you, I don't deny that" not "They are smarter than you, I don't deny that".

"Reed Richards also said Peter is as smart as he is and could replicate anything he has done"

Reed Richards says Peter could do everything Reed did if he had the right resources (Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four (2010) 2)

I remember the battle mod Morpheus once stated that what Tony's A.I. (which is not as smart as the real guy) built and had countermeasures for in Secret Empire #6 alone blows anything Peter Parker has done away.

The only thing I remember Tony's AI having countermeasures for in that issue is for Vision's intangibility, and Peter has countermeasures for intangibility too: Spider-Man modifies his anti-magnetic inverter device to nullify phasing/intangibility (Web of Spider-Man v2 10)

Exactly. This guy ranks Hank Pym as no.3 whose literal first reaction after discovering that Tony Stark is Iron Man was that he is no longer the "smartest person in the room", its Tony. Hank has said that not once but many times that Tony is smarter than him. Most significant being when he told Eternity that Reed and Tony are smarter than him which Eternity itself agreed.

Hank Pym is extremely insecure... he also thinks Peter is smarter than he is, but that doesn't mean it's true. Objective sources like Ultron say that Pym is above Stark - heck, Ultron literally said Pym in his lab is a god who can do anything.

Avatar image for yoahboy123
YoahBoy123

46

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By YoahBoy123

@blackspidey2099:

"Who was it made by then?"

So you yourself don't know it and just made an assumption ? Yikes

"Clearly it wasn't an actual Marvel writer who made the list."

Well if it IS clear then why don't you provide the evidence ?

"Tony is great at making suits of armor, I'm not denying that. Peter has also made impressive armored suits"

Not even remotely close to Tony's though. Iron Man's suits are stronger, faster, more energy, more durable than anything Peter has ever created by a country mile.

"Yeah, multiple can. For example: Spider-Armor Mark III (Marvel Fact Files 1)"

How fast ? Do they come even 1% close to outrunning a black hole ?

"You literally copied a respect thread"

Ofc I did coz I know 90% of these things are better than anything Peter has ever created. And the funny thing its only a respect thread of 4 armours, he has hundreds of them.

"and the vast majority of those are pretty unimpressive."

Ok by that logic EVERY SINGLE THING PETER HAS CREATED IS UNIMPRESSIVE

"So basically a portal between dimensions?"

No, a portal to anti matter negative zone, what has Peter built ? Webshooters ?

"Spider-Man is also an expert on interdimensional travel:"

Is he ? Has he built one ? Nope

"Spider-Man teaches Earth-1610"

We're talking about the main continuity (616) dipshit, most of things you're using aren't even from 616 universe.That's like me using Sorcerer Supreme Tony Stark in an argument.

"So nano-cameras? Spider-Man doesn't have anything exactly the same"

You basically tried to low ball it at first and then admitted "no, Peter can't even do that" , exactly !

"The Iron Spider was retconned to have been co-designed by both Tony and Peter."

No, it wasn't. Just coz a random person says it was doesn't mean it is, show the scan of Tony saying Peter helped him ? Oh wait it doesn't exist coz Peter didn't do shit.

"Both of these were team projects between Stark, Reed, and Skrull Pym."

And all of them needed each other, not Peter.

"I don't really see this as an intelligence feat since there's nothing to do with advanced tech there." Coz you're stupid. The fact that it was Tony who did rebuilt asgard alone makes him way more superior

"Did Tony Stark even make that?"

Yes, he did

"I've seen those and they're impressive. Spider-Man doesn't have anything directly comparable." Spider man in general doesn't have anything comparable

"Peter created a hard-light power glove which can replicate any other tech, including Iron Man armor, Doombot tech, and, you guessed it, Captain America's energy shield."

No it can't. It can only create 3D hard light HOLOGRAMS of other tech.Talk about manipulation.

"Tony just hired a bunch of Shi'ar contractors to build him glorified solar panels around the Sun to harness its energy"

Whose idea was it ? Exactly. Just coz he hired labourers for it doesn't make it unimpressive

"Tony wasn't the one who invented Extremis IIRC."

He was

"I'm pretty sure Reed created that."

With major help from Tony

"An advanced simulation program isn't all that impressive either."

Not in your spider wank book, yeah its not

"Spider-Man equals Reed Richards' test scores (Spider-Man/Human Torch 3)"

Test scores doesn't equate to overall intelligence

"I've already given plenty of examples."

None of them are remotely comparable especially when you've resorted to using facts from alternate continuity

All of you responses are "change details + add the words "so basically" (with lowballing) + coming back with either unimpressive Peter parker feats or straight up from alternate universes.

"Hank Pym is extremely insecure..."

Ahh, another excuse (knew it)

"he also thinks Peter is smarter than he is"

He only complimented Peter for being generous to him on his face. But for Stark, he has said to multiple important people that he knows Tony is actually smarter than him. Notice how Reed and Stark were the only ones that he name dropped to Eternity. Why didn't he name anyone else ? Its coz those are the only two people smarter than him. Fact !

"but that doesn't mean it's true."

If Eternity itself agrees then it means it true.

"Objective sources like Ultron"

Objective ? Hahahaha.....

"Ultron say that Pym is above Stark - heck, Ultron literally said Pym in his lab is a god who can do anything."

1. Show me scans him quoting those words that Pym is smarter than Stark

2. Ultron saying Hank Pym is the smartest is just as biased as a teacher giving good marks to his son. No shit he said that, Hank Pym made him so obviously he will hold Hank to high standards.

3. Tony Stark or Reed Richards didn't make Eternity, and yet Eternity agrees with them being smarter than Hank, point proven !

People here agree, Hank agrees, Eternity agrees, Marvel itself agrees that Tony is smarter than Peter and its not even remotely close.

The only reason you don't is coz you're a hardcore biased blind sighted fanboy, no difference between cancer like you and hardcore Batman fans saying "oH bAtmAn cAn DeFeAt aNyOnE wItH pReP"

Why did you ignore this ?

"In the most recent Iron Man comic, Tony Stark even made a whole virtual universe called "eScape" to amplify the human experience which also allowed its users to go anywhere, become anyone and do anything."

No Caption Provided

Why did you ignore 40% of those feats in fact ?

Why didn't you respond to @noone1996 ?

Why did you ignore all the official stats ?

No Caption Provided
No Caption Provided
No Caption Provided
Same result here....
Same result here....
No Caption Provided
Same result here as well...
Same result here as well...
No Caption Provided

Seriously just admit the facts and stop the Spider-wank, absolutely nothing is in your favour.

Avatar image for blackspidey2099
blackspidey2099

10125

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

@yoahboy123:

So you yourself don't know it and just made an assumption ? Yikes

So I check it out, and it invalidates the list even further. It says that the heroes were ranked by Marvel.com's social and editorial team (so the people who run Marvel's twitter page basically), and get this - the heroes were ranked based on "their overall influence and importance in comics". LMAO! They weren't even ranking the heroes based on intelligence.

No Caption Provided

So, not only is the list made by a non-authoritative source, it's also not even ranking heroes based on their intelligence. It's utterly useless.

Not even remotely close to Tony's though. Iron Man's suits are stronger, faster, more energy, more durable than anything Peter has ever created by a country mile.

Says the person who doesn't even know what suits Peter has created. Peter's suits could probably beat anything Iron Man has except the absolute best armors like Extremis, Bleeding Edge, Superior, etc.

Ofc I did coz I know 90% of these things are better than anything Peter has ever created. And the funny thing its only a respect thread of 4 armours, he has hundreds of them.

Well those inventions weren't even related to armors so that's hardly relevant. I also proved they aren't as good as stuff Peter has made, so RIP your argument.

Ok by that logic EVERY SINGLE THING PETER HAS CREATED IS UNIMPRESSIVE

By that logic, Tony Stark doesn't even deserve to be called a scientist or engineer.

No, a portal to anti matter negative zone, what has Peter built ? Webshooters ?

Yes, and the negative zone is another dimension, as you would know if you read comics. And, as you would know if you read my post, Peter has literally created tech for interdimensional travel as well.

We're talking about the main continuity (616) dipshit, most of things you're using aren't even from 616 universe.That's like me using Sorcerer Supreme Tony Stark in an argument.

....lol your lack of reading comprehension makes this even more fun. 616 Peter was teaching 1610 Tony Stark about time travel and interdimensional travel. They were talking because Peter traveled between the two universes.

You basically tried to low ball it at first and then admitted "no, Peter can't even do that" , exactly !

Spider-Man doesn't have "nano-cameras", he has far better tech like nano-spider tracers which can be implanted subdermally and transmit audio and location data.

No, it wasn't. Just coz a random person says it was doesn't mean it is, show the scan of Tony saying Peter helped him ? Oh wait it doesn't exist coz Peter didn't do shit.

That's not a random person, it's Mary Jane aka. Peter's wife, which you would know if you read comics. I also didn't see Tony Stark correcting her.

And all of them needed each other, not Peter.

No, they were working together since they were the evil masterminds of the whole Civil War event, which Peter wanted nothing to do with.

Coz you're stupid. The fact that it was Tony who did rebuilt asgard alone makes him way more superior

He didn't rebuild it alone, as you would know if you read the comics. Asgard is also a medieval city, it's hardly high tech or impressive to build it.

Yes, he did

Proof?

Spider man in general doesn't have anything comparable

Once again you're wrong, but I guess you must be getting used to that now, huh?

No it can't. It can only create 3D hard light HOLOGRAMS of other tech.Talk about manipulation.

What are you talking about? It literally recreated Captain America's energy shield, as you would know if you read the comics or even the scans I so nicely posted for you.

Whose idea was it ? Exactly. Just coz he hired labourers for it doesn't make it unimpressive

It's unimpressive because he just asked Shi'ar people to build him solar panels. We have solar panels IRL too.

He was

No, he wasn't. It was Maya Hansen, as you'd know if you read the comics. All Tony did was modify it later on.

With major help from Tony

Tony didn't even work on that at all. As you'd know if you read the comics.

Test scores doesn't equate to overall intelligence

They do when it's an intelligence test.

None of them are remotely comparable especially when you've resorted to using facts from alternate continuity

All of you responses are "change details + add the words "so basically" (with lowballing) + coming back with either unimpressive Peter parker feats or straight up from alternate universes.

I've just posted some of Peter's less impressive feats since you've yet to shown anything remotely impressive for Tony. One of your feats was Starktech toasters lmao.

He only complimented Peter for being generous to him on his face. But for Stark, he has said to multiple important people that he knows Tony is actually smarter than him. Notice how Reed and Stark were the only ones that he name dropped to Eternity. Why didn't he name anyone else ? Its coz those are the only two people smarter than him. Fact !

Wait, but your gospel list says there are 4 people smarter than him? Which one's wrong then? Anyways, Ultron said Pym is smarter than Stark, so GG. Eternity only agreed that Reed is smarter than Pym, not Tony - as you'd know if you read the comics.

1. Show me scans him quoting those words that Pym is smarter than Stark

I already did.

"In the most recent Iron Man comic, Tony Stark even made a whole virtual universe called "eScape" to amplify the human experience which also allowed its users to go anywhere, become anyone and do anything."

I didn't ignore it, I chuckled to myself at how unimpressive that feat is and moved on. If that's the best you have for Tony, I don't know why I put him on this list in the first place. Unlike you, though, I've read tons of Iron Man comics, and know of his actually impressive intelligence feats, which is why I've ranked him so high.

Why did you ignore 40% of those feats in fact ?

Because they sucked. You might as well bring up the Starktech toasters again.

Why didn't you respond to @noone1996 ?

I did. Literally right below I responded to you.

Why did you ignore all the official stats ?

Because they're dumb and contradicted by the comics that are actually published by Marvel. Comics >> website >>>>> fan-made wiki. It's funny how your argument solely rests on the latter 2 sources instead of anything reliable. Though I guess it isn't surprising considering that you've never picked up a comic book in your life.

Seriously just admit the facts and stop the Spider-wank, absolutely nothing is in your favour.

Hey man, Iron Man isn't as good as you want him to be. He isn't smarter than Spider-Man, and he most certainly can't beat Rune King Thor like you want him to. It's okay, CV isn't everything. Go outside sometime, maybe talk to some real people. They might be able to help you remove that gigantic stick up your butt.

Avatar image for emperorthanos-
emperorthanos-

19168

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

emperorthanos-  Moderator

@yoahboy123: @blackspidey2099: OK this has gotten too heated. Criticizing a list is one thing but insulting them is too far.

I can see this Yoabboy account was created simply to antagonize Blackspidey given that it' inital posts were word for word copies of @x_zayd_x deleted posts. Fun fact mods can see posts even they are deleted. You knew what you were doing was wrong and tried to get away with it by using another account. The alt is getting banner, I'm giving you a warning, don't do this again.

Avatar image for x_zayd_x
x_Zayd_x

474

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By x_Zayd_x

@emperorthanos-: I never denied that its not an alt or tried to agree with my main accounts using an alternate (which is against the rules), heck if you go to that account, it literally even states that its an alt for this. The only reason I created it so that this kid would not hold a moral high ground and go "oh obviously you won't agree with me like the last time"

Avatar image for x_zayd_x
x_Zayd_x

474

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By x_Zayd_x

@blackspidey2099:

"So I check it out, and it invalidates the list even further."

Oh I'm sure it does when your favourite doesn't make the cut.

"It says that the heroes were ranked by Marvel.com's social and editorial team (so the people who run Marvel's twitter page basically), and get this - the heroes were ranked based on "their overall influence and importance in comics".

Except if you did more research, that's not for this list, that's the outro they use in their videos. The list is still what the heading says "most intelligent people in Marvel Universe"

And even if it was what you said it was, Spiderman would be no.1 considering that's literally Marvel's most popular character. You defeated your own argument.

"LMAO! They weren't even ranking the heroes based on intelligence."

Except they were. The whole list is ranked on intelligence. And its not just this, Marvel's Official Power Rankings also state the same in intelligence, fandom's Marvel wiki also state the same. Boy oh boy how many excuses you're gonna make to wank your favourite character even more ?

"So, not only is the list made by a non-authoritative source"

1. Marvel's Editorial team is much better source than YOU

2. There's not just one source, literally every official Marvel source states the same. Power Rankings, Fandom's Power Grid, Official List all states the same.

"Says the person who doesn't even know what suits Peter has created."

Except I do

"Peter's suits could probably beat anything Iron Man has except the absolute best armors like Extremis, Bleeding Edge, Superior, etc."

1. Using of the word "Probably" in a battle thread. Yeah dude, I could PROBABLY beat Superman.

2. No, it can't

3. Iron Man's suits are stronger, faster, more energy, more durable than anything Peter has ever created by a country mile. Even his most basic suits have lifted huge ships weighing hundreds of thousands of pounds, lifted buildings, pulled 5 massive battleships on his own etc. Iron Man's suits have also outran a literal black hole. Peter's suits can't even fly, at least 95% of them and few of them which do aren't even remotely close to as fast as Iron Man. Iron Man just beats him in every single category, feels good when all the stats are in my favour.

4. Extremis, Bleeding Edge, Superior etc aren't his best armours.

"Well those inventions weren't even related to armors so that's hardly relevant."

Who said its only about armours

"I also proved they aren't as good as stuff Peter has made, so RIP your argument."

No you tried to prove but failed horribly. Most of the stuff you stated is completely unimpressive.

"By that logic, Tony Stark doesn't even deserve to be called a scientist or engineer."

By that logic, Peter doesn't even deserve to be among other heroes considering how incompetent and useless he is in most situations.

"616 Peter was teaching 1610 Tony Stark about time travel and interdimensional trave"

No, he wasn't teaching. He just corrected him on one thing. Just coz Bruce Banner corrects Tony Stark on gamma radiations doesn't mean he's overall smarter than Stark. Also I said there's no point using that considering that's not 616 Tony.

"he has far better tech like nano-spider tracers which can be implanted subdermally and transmit audio and location data."

Useless, Tony could and has build better with literal trash

"That's not a random person, it's Mary Jane aka. Peter's wife, which you would know if you read comics. I also didn't see Tony Stark correcting he"

I know its MJ but its a random person in this context. Just coz Mary speculated it doesn't mean its true especially when Peter himself didn't confirm it. Give me scans of Tony saying it. They don't exist.

"Asgard is also a medieval city, it's hardly high tech or impressive to build it."

More lowballing

"No, they were working together since they were the evil masterminds of the whole Civil War event, which Peter wanted nothing to do with."

Or Peter was just too useless to do anything

"Tony didn't even work on that at all"

Except he did

"They do when it's an intelligence test."

They don't. A test doesn't determine a person's overall intelligence, there's way too many factors.

"I've just posted some of Peter's less impressive feats since you've yet to shown anything remotely impressive for Tony."

And I posted literal trash for Tony's and that proved to be 200 times more impressive than anything Peter has done.

"Wait, but your gospel list says there are 4 people smarter than him?"

New characters have been introduced since then dipshit. Lunella Lafayette is one of those.

"Which one's wrong then?"

You, its always been you mate.

"Anyways, Ultron said Pym is smarter than Stark,"

As I said Ultron saying Hank Pym is the smartest is just as biased as a teacher giving good marks to his son. No shit he said that, Hank Pym made him so obviously he will hold Hank to high standards. Tony Stark or Reed Richards didn't make Eternity, and yet Eternity agrees with them being smarter than Hank, point proven, gg !

"Eternity only agreed that Reed is smarter than Pym, not Tony"

No, Eternity never denied what Hank said about Tony which means she knows Tony IS smarter. That's why she also talked about Tony in detail, she only talked about 2 people who are smarter than Hank.

"I already did."

except you didn't

"Because they sucked."

No, because you didn't have any impressive feats from useless Peter to counter it

"You might as well bring up the Starktech toasters again."

That was the most mundane one and now that I actually think about it Peter can't even build that tbh

"didn't ignore it, I chuckled to myself at how unimpressive that feat is and moved on. "

Another excuse + lowballing + trying to ignore the fact that Peter hasn't done anything impressive compared to Tony

"If that's the best you have for Tony,"

Never said its the best, its just way better than anything Peter has or can create in his life

"Unlike you, though, I've read tons of Iron Man comics,"

And if you've read enough of them, you would realise he is above Hank by a big difference

" ranked him so high."

except that its lower than his officially designated position

"Because they're dumb"

No coz you don't have any argument. You're triggered by that coz all the official stats from all sources are in my favour. Keep whining !

"Hey man, Iron Man isn't as good as you want him to be."

Except I don't want to him to be better than what is. I'm just stating what he IS and is Top 3 no matter how much you despise, its just facts.

"He isn't smarter than Spider-Man"

Hahah delusional spider fanboy again. Tony is top 3 and Spiderman isn't even top 10. Like it or hate it its just facts. Heck, I can name at least 30 characters smarter than Peter.

"and he most certainly can't beat Rune King Thor like you want him to"

Except I never said that, if you actually read the thread I was correcting someone else. And that's relevant to this thread.

Now go home, do some research and you'll realise Peter isn't as competent as you want him to be, I know it hurts when your favourite character is proved to be useless against someone else and all your fanboy dreams collapse, it hurts when all the official stats are against you and you become retarded enough to go "hey look at me, I know more about Marvel characters than Marvel itself"

No Caption Provided
No Caption Provided
No Caption Provided
Same result here....
Same result here....
No Caption Provided
Same result here as well....
Same result here as well....
No Caption Provided

Heck if all these sources are not enough, let's look at the entire database of Marvel Multiverse :

- 616 Peter Parker doesn't exist in the category of Super Geniuses

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Super-Genius_Intelligence

- 616 Peter Parker ALSO doesn't exist in the category below that i.e. Geniuses

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Genius_Intelligence

- 616 Peter Parker exists in the category below Genius i.e. Gifted (which is 2 tiers below than the category in which 616 Tony Stark exists)

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Gifted_Intelligence

Enough said !

Avatar image for blackspidey2099
blackspidey2099

10125

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

Edited By blackspidey2099

@x_zayd_x: lol I just read that wall of text and it's nothing but links to a fan-maintained wiki and uncited claims. Get back to me when you've actually read a comic book, because I'd rather not waste my time going over basic feats which are easily available on the internet for anyone to look up. If you're actually interested in learning, you can visit my Spider-Man Respect Thread. If not, continue wanking yourself off to Iron Man. I don't care either way.

Some advice for next time:

  1. It's probably not a good idea to debate against someone who knows more about both sides of the debate than you know about either.
  2. Primary sources (ie. comics themselves) are a lot more reliable than secondary or tertiary sources of information (random videos, wikis, etc).
  3. Calling your debating opponent a "kid" accomplishes nothing more than infantilizing yourself.
Avatar image for x_zayd_x
x_Zayd_x

474

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

@blackspidey2099:

lol I just read that wall of text

And I just realised it took you 18 days to make a response

and it's nothing but links to a fan-maintained wiki and uncited claims

Except if you actually did your research, those are facts derived directly from Marvel's own official handbooks and encyclopedias.

No Caption Provided

No Caption Provided

No Caption Provided

Heck I even have them, if you want I can even send the pictures of the stats on Spiderman's page but you'll continue making excuses and wanking off Spiderman so what's the point ?

"Get back to me when you've actually read a comic book"

Get back to me when you've actually read a non spiderman comic back and spiderman no longer comes in your wet dreams making you ejaculate every night before bed.

"If you're actually interested in learning, you can visit my Spider-Man Respect Thread"

Already seen, not much impressive feats. And in fact most of them are out of context

It's probably not a good idea to debate against someone who knows more about both sides of the debate than you know about either.

It's probably not a good idea to THINK that you know more even though every known evidence is proving you wrong from all angles

Primary sources (ie. comics themselves) are a lot more reliable than secondary or tertiary sources of information (random videos, wikis, etc).

Those what you deem "secondary or tertiary sources" are what comics are based on, sorry to burst your bubble mate.

Now here's some advice for you -

1. When the very first reply on your thread is a person in surprise going "Spider-man above Tony Stark ?", its your job to realise that bias is clouding your judgement and everyone else is right.

2. Stop being retarded enough to think that YOU (a pathetic fanboy) knows more about Marvel characters than Marvel itself.

3. Nothing wrong in being a fanboy, but stop jerking yourself off to Spiderman

Avatar image for avengergamer676
Avengergamer676

2415

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

The list is MOSTLY accurate.

Avatar image for sirkaboom15
SirKaboom15

2345

Forum Posts

103

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

Pym has claimed that Spider-Man is smarter than him. Ultron should have made this list.

Avatar image for blackspidey2099
blackspidey2099

10125

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

@sirkaboom15: Pym has said that, yes, but I think Pym has better feats than Parker. I didn’t include Ultron since he’s not exactly a man, lol.

Avatar image for knutcracker
Knutcracker

598

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Valeria is smarter than reed and doom

Avatar image for blackspidey2099
blackspidey2099

10125

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

@knutcracker: This is just men, Valeria is on my Top 10 Smartest Marvel Women list.

Avatar image for knutcracker
Knutcracker

598

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for spideerfan002
Spideerfan002

616

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@blackspidey2099:Amazing list.The Spider-man debate is such a good example for people who lowball him against the likes of Tony.Great job all around