blackspidey2099

Lmao agmine has lost it

Ok but even in the Bor fight there's nothing suggesting that Thor's durability was passively amped? At best it remains ambiguous regarding whether Thor used the Odinforce to shield himself or whether it was passive. And if it remained ambiguous then we could have this argument, but there are direct statements to say that Thor only uses the power sparingly, which would completely contradict a passive amp. On the other hand, there is nothing confirming a passive amp.

Yes, he glowed golden only once which was the only time he was using OF to amp himself. The other times he was using other various OF powers IIRC, ex. improved Mjolnir control, stealing Galactus' power, etc

Sure that might mean Hulk usually holds back but it doesn't mean that he always does, making it irrelevant to this debate.

Those scans are also irrelevant to this debate. No one is saying OF Thor isn't more powerful than regular Thor, which is all that those scans say. However, those scans say nothing about some sort of passive stat amp which is what we're debating. From what I can tell so far, there's nothing in the comics or from any writers confirming one and it's mostly just headcanon?

@agmine570: sounds like fodder compared to Spidey's multiversal feats

@jay_z94: I know the feat you're discussing and it clearly seems to be Thor using the OF to survive Bor's attack, which is why he mentioned it. The glowing thing is only from Cates' run IIRC, but anyways Thor only had a portion of the OF in JMS run so he wouldn't have glowed regardless. Anyways the Cates example is far more relevant to this showing since both were written by Cates. We can clearly see that when Thor uses the OF to amp himself under Cates, he glows golden. He never did so against Hulk. Thus he was not using the OF.

No, it says Hulk isn't holding back now because he thinks he's in a simulation. It says nothing about Hulk's usual habits. And even if it did, there's nothing to suggest that Hulk's usual habits apply specifically to his fights against Thor, who is one of the most powerful beings Hulk has ever interacted with.

@jay_z94: I don't think it has consistently constantly amped Thor's physicals by default. Do you have scans of that being said? In Jurgens run Thor had to learn to use it and then specifically draw upon it once he mastered it as well. In JMS' run not only did Thor have to specifically use it, but it was also a finite resource that Thor actually ended up completely depleting. Ewing's statement seems pretty clear as well regarding Thor needing to consciously decide to use the Odinforce as to not waste it.

The example you're discussing is before he had the full OF and also I didn't mean that he glows gold every time he uses it, just when he's amping his stats with it. It is very explicitly mentioned every time he uses it though. And how do you think the OF enhances Thor's physicals if not through the effect of magic?

That statement doesn't say Hulk usually holds back, it just says Hulk won't hold back in this fight. Those are two different things that don't mutually imply one another.

@jay_z94: Except the All Power clearly no longer does that in its current incarnation. We even saw that Thor starts glowing gold when he uses it.

Where does it say Hulk holds back?

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@rajjarsalt: Much appreciated!

Pretty sure Thor never used the Odinforce against Hulk, @rajjarsalt can confirm. He’s far too merciful to use such power against the green toddler. It’s also stated that Hulk never holds back, as our very own Hulk expert @hatsonmelo himself has shared!

Not sure what the relevance of your last sentence is.

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Green Scar, said to be significantly stronger than Savage while Starship is just an intelligent Savage that can control the anger and Immortal is already confirmed to be sub-savage.

To be fair that was Savage Hulk from nearly 20 years ago. He’s clearly grown allot to the point of shooting eye blasts and letting off gamma bursts himself. I would agree that by intent it’s probably Green Scar, but it’s hard to deny that Starship just has better quantifiable showings than Green Scar does. Even scaling probably leans to starship, although things like decimating Ben and Red Hulk make that more debatable.

Should note that 20 years in publication is only like 5 years in-universe due to how sliding timescale works and while Hulk did get the gamma burst thing and it was directly mentioned during Starship Hulk VS Thor that Hulk had fought harder in the past, so his stats were worse if anything (which makes sense with how the Starship works)

Joe Fixit has better quantifiable than all these Hulks, but we know he doesn't win. As for scaling, not really given how all he has is scaling to OF Thor, who other Hulks have scaling too and has been total ass this past year.

Interesting, wasn’t it also mentioned that Thor kindly and mercifully held back the vast majority of his true power every time he fought Hulk because he felt bad for the overgrown beanstalk? Starship with the Titan boost is the only Hulk that can stand against a fraction of Thor’s might!