Blacklightning13

@vuviper said:

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@pooty said:

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@vuviper said:

@Blacklightning13: M'gann would at least be able to get far enough into his head to know that is what he's planning and take appropriate defensive actions. And other white martians have displayed blitzing and combat speed greater than Supergirl and at least as good as Superman. I don't see why M'gann would be any different.

Even if she does get inside his head there is nothing she can do against an IMP.

go intangible. and has Supes ever performed a IMP?

I think he has but I don't remember. But anyway if you can go faster then light then you can do an IMP.

In theory, but to my knowledge Flash if the only one that's been described as performing it.. MM has gone FTL too btw (Edit: well at least other martians have)

Yeah but the difference is that Superman can get to light speed within a minutes. While MM can probably do it.

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@_Black: Yeah Flash has the potential to solo (has to be Barry) but that would be 4/10 at best (I think).

MM can't. Both others have TP resistance to the degree that they can beat him before they are beaten. And Superman is too fast for Intangibility to have a large effect (he can hit him until he turns tangible or IMP him.

What are you talking about? MM is just as fast and has been able to go intangible in time to avoid heat vision from Superboy prime. If he decides to stay that way and just TP them, there isn't much they could do to stop it.

Superman is faster. Depending on the version. If you compare superman's mid level feats with MM's mid level feats then they are fairly close. If you compare high end feats Superman has a big lead.

I repeat IMP. If you sit there and punch him an infinite amount of times he has to switch back at some point.

1. Which essentiall means MM is just as fast, but never has never been as popular of a character. 2. WHich high end speed feats are you talking about anyway? I haven't seen him do anything that is far beyond martian level. 3. And certainily nothing so fast that Superman can attack before MM thinks to become intangible.

The martian never has to switch back. And even if he wanted to, 4. Superman would have no way of knowing where J'onn is, Martian invisibility has even trumped all of superman's supervisions. Bloodlusted, J'onn stays invisible/intagible up to the point where he makes Superman addicted to kryptonite or put 5. increase the density of his first inside superman's brain

1. How? I just said that he has some feats that are close to Superman. That doesn't mean that they are the same.

2. Going faster then light in only a few seconds then blowing up a copy of the moon with the explosion caused by it. This is also a fairly low feat on the Superman high end feat scale.

3. Did I say that? i mean seriously did I say that? Cause if so that's a really stupid thing for me to say. But I don't think I did.

4. IMP stands for Infinite Mass Punch. Because he literally has Infinite Mass when he goes faster then light. He can punch every where at once if he loses MM. Also when MM goes invisible he can't use his other powers or at least not most of them.

5. Has he actually ever done this? Because I have to say the ability doesn't really make sense. It is probably just as likely to screw up his hand as to screw up Superman's brain.

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@vuviper said:

@Blacklightning13: M'gann would at least be able to get far enough into his head to know that is what he's planning and take appropriate defensive actions. And other white martians have displayed blitzing and combat speed greater than Supergirl and at least as good as Superman. I don't see why M'gann would be any different.

Even if she does get inside his head there is nothing she can do against an IMP.

go intangible. and has Supes ever performed a IMP?

I think he has but I don't remember. But anyway if you can go faster then light then you can do an IMP.

@vuviper said:

@Blacklightning13: M'gann would at least be able to get far enough into his head to know that is what he's planning and take appropriate defensive actions. And other white martians have displayed blitzing and combat speed greater than Supergirl and at least as good as Superman. I don't see why M'gann would be any different.

Even if she does get inside his head there is nothing she can do against an IMP.

@vuviper said:

@Blacklightning13 said:

@_Black: Yeah Flash has the potential to solo (has to be Barry) but that would be 4/10 at best (I think).

MM can't. Both others have TP resistance to the degree that they can beat him before they are beaten. And Superman is too fast for Intangibility to have a large effect (he can hit him until he turns tangible or IMP him.

What are you talking about? MM is just as fast and has been able to go intangible in time to avoid heat vision from Superboy prime. If he decides to stay that way and just TP them, there isn't much they could do to stop it.

Superman is faster. Depending on the version. If you compare superman's mid level feats with MM's mid level feats then they are fairly close. If you compare high end feats Superman has a big lead.

I repeat IMP. If you sit there and punch him an infinite amount of times he has to switch back at some point.

@_Black: Yeah Flash has the potential to solo (has to be Barry) but that would be 4/10 at best (I think).

MM can't. Both others have TP resistance to the degree that they can beat him before they are beaten. And Superman is too fast for Intangibility to have a large effect (he can hit him until he turns tangible or IMP him.

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@vuviper: @pooty: Miss Martian can't beat Superman. The only thing she has over him is Telepathy. But she isn't very good at telepathy (it varies) and Superman has near immunity to it.

@202122: I agree. Thor can beat Superman. Especially with the new 52.

I wouldn't say his resistance is anything close to near immunity. Hasn't Maxima, white martians, an eradicator TPed him? And J'onn of course. M'gann has freed everyone in the Darkside club and resisted their mind control that's pretty impressive I think.

2. The only thing she has over him is Telepathy? What about all her extra martian powers? And she physically fought Supergirl pretty equally, on top of that she has intangability, shape shifting with elasticity etc

1. Agreed. That was a bit of a lapse of thought on my half. But Superman has resisted MM several times (I believe the clear majority) and against Miss Martian could with hold and defeat her.

2. I meant that as in that is the only way she could beat him.

I have to admit I hadn't even seen a time Superman successfully resisted TP. Well then again, he acctually did resist white martian TP once he realized TP was being used, but before that he went down to the kryptonite in his head.

Intangibility is another big one. And if Supergirls blows can hurt him, I think hers could too. She doesn't utilize all her powers as well as MM who still never takes advantage of all his powers, but even with the lack of showings I think she should be able to beat him. Actually I think virtually any martian should beat him. So many powers, and they have all of his, even if it's just to a lesser degree

But the difference is Supergirl is at least as fast as Superman (has showings of being faster) so she can land hits. Superman fears MM and has fought a long side him many times. He know his and all Martians powers. He also knows that at the beginning of the fight he will need to fly off as fast as he can until he hits light speed then he uses an IMP. You can't beat an IMP.

Loses at 1. Wins at 2. IDK at 3. Loses at 4. Gets stomped at 5. IDK at 6.

@pooty said:

@Blacklightning13: superman has been mentally beaten by a few people. Vuviper gave some examples. Still he can't hit her if she chooses that and she should be as strong as MM. No way SUpes beats her without PIS

She can go intangible but he is so much faster. He can just go race off picking up more and more speed until he goes faster then light. Then he IMP's. You can't beat an IMP except for with another IMP.

Team 2. But no one can solo.