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@allhellkingdox:

@allhellkingdox said:

Vibranium is overrated the best property of the metal is not it’s density but it’s ability to absorb a lot of blunt force attacks.

Anyways Thanos and Clark, and Diana bracelet tanks

Gonna disagree with this.

Diana's bracelet's are durable, but I don't think she has the speed to counter the Vulcan, her bracelet feats have been far inferior to that weapon's speed and output, also they were regular bullets which can hurt her. She would be swiss cheesed, she doesn't have the feats.

Clark has been shown in Man of Steel and Justice League to be affected by regular high caliber bullet, even if they push him back with the kinetic force. Vibranium is a space rock, when fashioned into weapons as shown by BP, CA, it can dish out a ton of force and redirect it to the point it can affect people like Thor, who's durability is on par with Clark's. So to state that somehow Clark would be okay doesn't make sense at all from his showing. I don't doubt this weapon and ammo would hurt him if not kill him, especially with repeated shots.

Thanos has a solid durability when it comes to projectiles, however, depending on the amount of ammo used, and the vibranium properties, I think this could really put him down. Thinking back to the IW first with Tony, that nano tech suit which is far inferior to vibranium was able to make Thanos bleed.

@pisswaterball said:

Strange and the motherbox hold up. Maybe Thanos.

Vibranium also has magical properties if I remember correctly from the origin of the BP, it has close ties to Bast the Panther God. So it's no telling if Strange's shields would actually hold. But he could use the time gem to rewind until he figured a way around it. Motherbox is also questionable because both are space metals, it may be possible nothing happens, or the bullets shred right through it.

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I would say it would be tough for Klaus to beat Luke Cage. Normal ppl could technically kill the Vampire Diary Vampires without special skills or ability. Wood steaks and sun will do it easiest. But the Michaels plot device of having to kill them with special items was the only reason they lived as long. That being said there is no way Luke could win without prior knowledge.

Considering the ease at which Luke Cage could cause regular ppl to break their hands on how skin his durability was good but even better after he received that amp. Best feat to date is taking Danny's chi punches with ease and getting hit full speed by a dump truck and taking no damage.

Luke Cage doesn't have endless stamina, but he tends to pace himself in a fight. At this point there is no known cap to his strength. But he does require oxygen to breath. So Klaus could exploit that. But Luke Cage could rip off his ring and hold him down in the sunlight

I think it could go either way with knowledge. Without knowledge its a tough call with Klaus taking the edge.

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@professorrespect: he's used clocked fighting in the Hickman convergence storyline as well before Wakanda went to space. So, I'm not sure why you're trying to argue consistency here. He's used it enough for it to be considered apart of his powerset. The burden of proof is on you to say it isn't consistent

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@godlyshinigami: that's BS, the write up on Magneto, because a lot of his best feats he was either amped by the mutant drug, a machine or Fabian Cortez. Polaris was stronger than him in The Twelve storyline and he had to use her powers in order to amp himself. Regular old Magneto is strong but that is an exaggeration.

Storms powers are very unique in any comic Universe, there is no one who has her powerset to her degree, that's just a fact. Also that her powerset is adaptive and works on a cosmic scale, with her magical potential it just puts her on a different level. What you could compare with her is the fact that she can manipulate the electromagnetic spectrum, and she has done so on a global scale, which is the same as magneto. The Upper levels of that have never been explored.

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@rbt: Because they knew they wouldn't win, which is why they didn't try to fight them hence the line "John you might want to fight Bucky before you try the Dora". Vibranium weave armor and gear. Arrowverse team would lose.

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@rbt said:

People are quick to notice Dora's spears, but can't see Amazon's bows and arrows, huh?

Amazons have this.

You are talking about Bows and Arrows, vs. Vibranium clothing... No ... Just no, times Infinity NO. The Amazons couldn't even handle WW2 guns and bullets. Which would bounce off of Vibranium.

Every showing I have seen besides Wonder Woman herself who is a demigod. The rest of the Amazons are just Fodder although skilled can be taken out easily. Just from the Black Panther movie we know for a fact bullets do nothing to their gear. And the kinetic force would be taken away from an arrow.

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Storm win both rounds here, here's why. She can remove the moisture from the air which will cancel out Bobby's powers. He can't counter her.

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I hate when these debates devolve into who's faster. Being Fast didn't help Superman snap Zod's neck, it didn't help him with Doomsdays, Faora, or beat Batman in BvS, being fast didn't help WW beat Ares or Cheetah or plot device Max Lord. Flash's superpower is speed, but in the movie he didn't use it in the way most people here described. So it's really just speculation and not even a debate about speed feats.

So this debate about speed is pointless. NO ONE WINS FIGHTS WITH JUST SPEED!!!! How about actually debate the feats and I don't know have a conversation.

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@anthp2000 said:

This thread specified that it is Wanda as of Endgame, in which case, I don't think she's powerful enough to take down Doomsday.

After the series, however, I don't see what Doomsday can do; heat vision is not going to power through her hexes, and her chaos magic is on an entirely different tier. She was rewriting reality on a city wide scale, created a Vision -- as in, a vibranium body and an Infinity Stone -- out of nothing and controlling the minds of hundreds simultaneously with gestures. Ironically, Superman or Wonder Woman would have a better shot against Wanda because there's a chance they'd rush at her with a speed-blitz from the get-go. Otherwise, her power-set is far more advanced than anything we've seen in the DCEU yet.

Here is the problem with Doomsday, he lacks actual feats, so people who argue for him equates his feats to the people he's fighting. I.E Wonder Woman and Superman but not Batman oddly enough who's just peak human. In reality the only feats you could actually give him is that of Zod from Man of Steel since it is Zod, or Doomsday feats. The rest is just speculation.

On feats alone Wanda hands down wins as of Endgame, speed and durability doesn't win fights. They stalemate them.

There is no data that says that Doomsday could absorb psionic energy or energy from an infinity stone, what we do know is that kryptonians do absorb energy, heat and solar. Superman has no such feats nor did Zod. So at present there is no counter for Wanda. But let's talk energy, No one in the DECU has a showing as powerful as Wanda's energy output even via Infinity Wars and Endgames. Wanda had enough energy output to destroy an infinity stone, and as we know from Endgame it take an infinity stone to destroy another infinity stone. If anyone in this thread is saying Doomdays can absorb that you need to prove it, because a nuke is far less powerful than an infinity stone according to lore and showings of an infinity stone. What we do know about handling an infinity stone from Guardians, Thor the Dark World, and other movies is that it will kill humans and aliens if they are handled directly without special conditions, which is why all of them are in protective casing. At best Doomday's alien physiology would apply here, and I would say MCU's best equation to Kryptonians are Asgardians, so him being alien wouldn't help him in this situation. Peter Q was able to handle it as long as he could because his dad was a god planet, that was a couple minutes. The Dark Elf used planet alignments in order to handle the stone.

So quick recap, DD can't absorb psionic energy, has no showings of absorbing anything near close to an infinity stone, his current physiology wouldn't protect him from the affect of the infinity stone according to previous showings of infinity stones and there are no special circumstances that would allow him to be able to handle an infinity stone.

Let's talk durability, Doomsday clearly has a lot of it and with his energy absorption adding to it that makes it problematic. Even if he couldn't absorb Wanda's energy, there is energy that he "might" be able to absorb in a fight, if he showed enough intelligence to use it. Given what I've seen, I don't think he is, if he had Zod's intelligence level...maybe, so I'll go with his base level for now. Would Wanda be able to get through his durability. I would say yes with her telekinesis. What do we know of Thanos, he has much better durability feats than Doomsday, we don't even have to use ABC logic. In the movie she's fighting Thanos in h2h combat for a solid minute while BP and Spiderman are trying to run the gauntlet. At this point we have seen Cap, Tony, and Thor get man handled by Thanos where she clearly and handily beats him and his weapon (which is strong enough to destroy a vibranium shield). Easily able to not only tank punches from an Enraged Hulk but beat the tar off of him in seconds, was hit by a spaceship with planet entry speeds and got back up, larges parts of machinery from Titan were dropped on him, easily tanked lightning strikes and hits from Mjnolnir, easily shrugged off hits from Thor, Tony and Cap, tanked hits from Captain Marvel. I'm sure you get the point by now or have seen the movies. Yes I've given both Thanos feats to one, despite being from different universes, it has never been stated that the two are not the same person, one is just a couple years younger. Also it's never been expressed or shown that Thanos ever used the infinity stones to enhance his own strength or durability. The only time he used the power stone really was to destroy the Asgardian ship so it's fair to equate these feats to Thanos. All that being said, Wanda overpowered him, to the point he could literally do nothing but talk and was crushing him. Ultron prime is also super tanky, despite Tony, Vision and Thor super heating his vibranium armor they couldn't break through completely, and scarlet witch ripped it right open and tore out his core. Could it be argued that Doomsday is as strong as composite vibranium probably not and I'm certainly not the person to make that argument. Vibranium has a ton of showings in the MCU it's really hard to break... Diana's sword or shield in the JL movie was never stated to be magic, nor has majority of the weapons from the Amazons were stated to have any properties that were magical. At the time of the Justice League none of that was explained. What we can take from that fight is that DD can take slashing damage, and his heat vision can be blocked.

Wanda and the Proxima Midnight fight, the context of this fight is important. Vision was hurt and couldn't recover on the offset of the fight, at the very beginning it took Wanda healing Vision slightly to even get him to a point where he could possibly fend for himself. The entire fight she was more concerned with Vision than herself so she was being defensive and countering more than being offensive. She did a lot of parrying, and shielding, along with using her telekinesis. This fight really highlighted her versatility. Had Vision not been a factor in that fight it's highly likely (speculation) that she would have won with little to no effort. In Civil War one of the newest abilities we saw from Wanda was telekinetic shielding and the fact she could use it without even seeing her opponent. What we also saw was her reaction time with her abilities which was fast enough to stop and slow a bombs detonation and bullet from high caliber rifles. What the Proxima Midnight fight did was highlight that she could do this is a hand to hand combat situation as oppose to ranged. Would the shielding be enough to protect her from a Punch from

Telepathy has no counter. To put it short and sweet there is no counter for this from Doomsday, he has no feats with or against it. We know it's strong enough to work on the Hulk, and Thor (who states he has immunity to it) at this point and in the MCU at this time there seems to be no counter to it.

Doomsday has the clear speed advantage but not the advantage in reaction. Speed alone would be great if they were running a race but they are not. The problem with this argument is generally speed is shown in small burst, so a bullrush here or there. The reaction times vary, somehow he misses an injured Batman 3 time in a row. Doomsday at the beginning of the fight after Superman's bullrushes into that plant is already amped by the explosion. He's easily distracted and doesn't react well to the tag team. And for some reason Superman charges right at him...and he's able to tag things that are clearly right in front of him. His visual tracking at the offset of the fight with shooting batman down it seems wildly inaccurate. Would her shielding hold up, good question, I think they would, in the bombardment scene, the ground explosion sent her flying. In a one on one I think she would be better guarded.

DD has the clear strength advantage, but he has to land a hit. Given that she can control more than one thing at a time and has been shown to do so. I don't think she will be able to break a telekinetic hold, we could go into what's faster thought or speed. DD hasn't shown any speed of thought type reactions so that's a nonstarter. You could argue she has to use her hands, well she has shown to be able to do it in combat, and DD's reaction isn't such where he could outright avoid her using her hands. Heck that's how Batman was able to avoid him 3 times in a row. If he lands a punch it will send her flying several feat but she would be protected.

If something does explode on DD by happenstance, they maybe that would give him an edge in the fight slightly. But with his showing It doesn't seem like he would win against this version of Wanda. Civil War Wanda yeah he would win, Infinity War Wanda maybe with a slight edge, Endgame Wanda is a no. Wandavision it's not even a question anymore that's spite.

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Isca can't be beat by Wolverine, he would be obliterated.
Storm would beat War her knife and sword play record is very good. She rarely loses in a 1on1 melee fight. Powers or naw.
Betsy and War would be interesting. if it wasn't for Saturnyne, I don't think she would be dead currently. I'll say this could go either way.