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@ultraphoenix:

How is that jobbing Sythe KO'd him for like three panels with a blast that leveled a city block the same Scythe snapped the neck of full starheart Allan Scott who is easily as powerful as classic (pre crisis) Fate. To KO Sythe lightning had to virtually level half a city and cause massive damage to the other half. It's literally the reason the JSA stayed around to rebuild Monument point in the next arc.

Sythe was god stompimg the entire JSA, he was written as a team buster of a team of a lot of high heralds. Getting KO'd for a few panels by a guy who is downing high heralds left and right isnt jobbing (especially for a relative neophyte in the role)

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What are the best feats Fate has? The best stuff I've seen from him was Pre-Crisis, but that's to be expected from characters in that era, whereas in PC the helmet of Fate has had various hosts with differing levels of power, and Fate has jobbed quite a bit as well.

When has post crisis Fate Jobbed exactly?

Nu52 E2 Dr Fate (Jakheem) has but not the versions post Crisis. this thread was created 12 years ago, so it's pre flashpoint Fate being discussed.

every version of Fate post COIE pre 52 has feats of defeating hell lords, gods, or Pantheon's of God's.

post crisis Kent-

Hector Fate - Defeated Mordru a few times. The same Mordru who while weakened defeated an amped Shazam who had amped himself to fight Spectre in DOV, https://imgur.com/a/uhCjA#0

he also stole power from Nabu and gave it to all former Fate hosts https://i.imgur.com/iLPxcIu.jpg

removed a curse by Spectre https://imgur.com/a/8VjGv

Eric Fate - survived the destruction and recreation of the multiverse, while sick and dying defeated a Darksied avatar, defeated hell lords.

he also used the power of Darksied, Highfather, Phantom Stranger, and Etrigan through himself to stop/block the anti life entity (which is equal to the source) and shielded DS and Etrigan from the anti life entity https://imgur.com/a/xXimD

defeated lords of chaos many times https://imgur.com/a/kvJFt

Inza - Defeated a pantheon of god's, used the power of Zatanna, Etrigan and Phantom stranger through herself to contain Spectre for a while.

she has also hurt Spectre https://i.imgur.com/CBGyvrL.jpg

bound an eclipso possessed Zatanna and Etrigan at once https://imgur.com/a/VPQD6

Kent V- defeated a hell lord in their own realm, defeated Lady Blaze in Hell at the time she had amassed the power to defeat Neron and take over hell.

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@punyaamrit: when you chastise someone for making a statement that they didnt and were actually calling out the person who did, yes it matters. Its bloody rude and disrespectful.

Garonobalins called out the person who said ot and then you had a shot at him by saying he should read the comic before making such statements. Then you wonder why he went from one-100. Telling him he had to know the truth behind the statement when clearly he did.

Its deliverately inciting someone

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@punyaamrit: why say that to the person who just had a shot at the one making the statement insteadnof thefirstmanofsteel who said it?

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@chaliesbadblood: that doesnt make it any nore defined. I live in a street with two private schools and a third around the corner. My kids go to another 3 km away (literally 50 meters down my my street, left 30 meters right 200 m right, 300 meters left and 1.5k down that road.). All four schools have miji buses, and two different size long buses. There is t a consistent size and weight to school buses. I have seen all these with school enblems on them

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Network_Harlow_(Arriva-TGM)_3874_on_Route_724,_Heathrow_Central_Bus_Station_(13020875424)_(cropped).jpg

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Krone_235_-_Mercedes_Benz_Sprinter.jpg

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BredaMenariniBus_Osnabr%C3%BCck.JPG

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mumbai_Police_Bus.JPG

The last one represents size only, the local school busses dont look so boxey. I think they send different size busses to different areas depending on the numbera of students on the routes. They do have nore coach type busses than mini and the medium, but the coaches only make up half of the total bus poole. I'm pretty sure that the shuttle busses etc are more used for sports teams etc, also.

Thats my point, without a visual reference that we can more clearly define what type of feat it is and quantify ita sort of not good for anything.

Gotta say I loved the finale of season 2. My favorite part was when Frenchie was watching Maeve, Starlight and Female of the species kick Stormfromt's a$$.

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@emmafrostxmen: that wasnt what I referenced. I referenced the fact that breaking bones was a durability feat not strength. I mentioned the van feat as a counter for your stated bus feat as the van feat shows far greater durability than breaking bones catching a bus would imply. Ergo making the stated bus feat irrelevant as it is a low balling.

No the stated feat isnt a feat. We have no idea what the "bus" was like from a statelment. You can get busses that carry 12 passengers and weight the same as a car (2000kg- in 2011 mini busses were increased to minimum of 16 passengers and weighed 3500kg) up to double decker busses that can carry 60 or more. A standard Bus is 9800kg, a double decker 12650kg)

We also dont know how laiden said bus was with passengers. Its simply not quantifiable without more information

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@xavi2204: did you even read the OP?

It says which versions, the TV ones.

Raven isnt a part of it.

Tv Starfire isnt OP at all, her powers arent working properly

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Well it took until the last episode of season 2 but we FINALLY have a damn feat for Maeve. Stormfront took everyrhing that Hokelander dished earlier innthe season with no issues. Maeve knocked the shit out of her.

Now to be fair, Homelander was rough sexing so not as brutal physically (SF bigest feat was taking his heat vision), but physically she was taking everything Female pf the Species brother could dish out and he could casuallt toss loaded shipping containers.

I still dont know if it is enough to allow her to take on Donna, but she is no longer completely featless. She's also well above bus level strength on scaling

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Wow... Starfire is that weak in the Titans show that people are starting to think that she could lose to Queen Maeve and Starlight?! Damn! I didn't know that CW nerfed the Titans by that much!

WTF are you talling about?

1. Titans has absolutely nothing what soever to do with the CW, its a DCu and Netflix (outside US) show.

2. Stafire innthe show has had problems with her powers working at all. Shes not nerfed she just hasnt had her full powers for over a season and a half.

@beatboks1: Maeve is stated to have caught a bus from a falling bridge, and it broke all the bones in her arm. Therefore her strength is around bus level

I think Starlight and Maeve should take this on account of having such high durability

A statement isn't a feat.

Breaking bones has absolutley nothing what so ever to do with strength it has to do with durability. Given that she has an actual feat (feat >>>> Statement) that is far greater than that on durability the statemnt is irrelivant.

The fact that you have to resort to a statement to assign her any sort of level pretty much proves my point, that she is featless except for yhe van crashing into her.

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No, and no actual medium has ruined forums.

There are fans ofevery medium who troll and who's methods of debating dont sit well with others.

The same frictions we see between comic and manga fans appear in threads between movie and TV fans. The budget of a movie allows for feats to be more cinematic that can feel more impressive that the underlying feats actually are.

Ive seen afew posts sayimg that debating quality has dropped recently but honestly this is cyclic. Thisnis because we go through cycles of a whole new membership group joining learning how debares play out and how to make arguments as they work best on the site and withinnits structure.

16 or so years ago when I was a newbe we had the same thing, with a muktitude of users joining. I'm sure many of the old guard back then thought we were upstarts. I at the time had been a long time debator on the DC forum site that had just become defunct (got I miss my debates with firstman etc on that site). Some members like Vuviper also made the move. Many of the old guard who were here when I started left about 4 years after that and another wave of new members replaced them. Others became less active. Of those who joined when I did many left 5 yesrs after than and others became less active. Again a whole new bunch of members fills the void, or just start becoming more vocal because they dont feel stiffled or drowned out.

The noise always changes, thats not altogether a bad thing and n othing can ever really "ruin" a site that is just a place people come to to escape.