This would then prove the opposite, given how Mordru's status as a Lord of Chaos has been in effect since pre-Zero Hour days.
what are you on about. Mordu has been a lord of Chaos since before crisis.
His first appearance chronologically post crisis was in Amethyst on gem world. He was summoned by a wizard on that world seeking power. He possessed that wizard the same way that Nabu possesses the wielders of his helm. He was not at his full power at this point as he was bound by the limitations of a mortal shell.
The same way in which Nabu was limited when he possessed the former dead body of Kent Nelson to train Eric and Linda (though not as limited because Kent's body had wielded a lot of magic for several decades during the Kali Uga when chaos was at its peak and order had to fight harder) The same way Shat Ru was limited when Inza trapped him in the same body after Nabu moved on.
After that he trapped the soul of said wizard and bound it to him reducing the limitations immensely. I the same way that when Kent and Inza or Eric and Linda merge they are more powerful than a single mortal form possessed by Nabu because the power can be used between two life forces and used more without causing harm.
the thing is that Mordru drained Jay of the speed force in their first JSA encounter. In a later encounter after he had also taken the body and a link to the soul of Arion Lord High mage of Atlantis (and son of the lord of Order Calculha (father) and lord of Chaos Majistra (mother) his power was further amped. This story is the very reason that you can't retroactively use Mordru's current level and how his power applies now to how it was when drained speed force from Jay. In that story he was defeated because he was bound by the very laws of magic you say his current status says he isn't. He was also bound in the Rock of Eternity by Laws of magic that you say he isn't now (this was even after the Arion story). Since rebirth makes all old stories canon these stories are canon also. These stories happened after his snacking on speed force. So either the current level has no baring on the speed force feat or you prove that both these particularly stories weren't made canon in rebirth.
Once you can prove that that these stories aren't canon your argument holds water, until then it is just your statement contradicted by the feats he has and their order of progression.
If his status as a Lord of Chaos is in effect when, how is he bound by the laws of magic retroactively? Mordru was only as such when he was simply a strong magic user back in Pre Crisis within the 31st century.
First I'm saying he isn't bound by them retroactively, asking me how he is, is a strange question. Second as a Lord of Chaos post Crisis he was bound by these very laws of magic in Amethyst and twice in JSA, the two JSA stories were AFTER he had drained speed force. I don't need to prove anything. I already have proof of him being bound by the laws of magic after the Jay Garrick Feat. As such his current status can't be applied to that feat because it didn't apply to his latter feats pre 52.
Would that then imply that Loki didn't actually do much at all then? They did meet up if I recall in the same story and Loki got overpowered in like, one panel.
Aside from cutting a character off from the power cosmic. A power source in Marvel very bit as powerful as the Speed force in DC. I suggest you read the story again then, they fought for a few pages. Then Loki copped a blast then a couple pages later as I recall.
Nope, Loki used the Norn Stones a few times but these were very spaced out throughout the years (some happened in the 60's, some in the 70's, but mostly dropped after that) and he lost them a while back.
Right, I've read easily 9 stories where he has used them since 82, and only read an occasional Thor issue. Way I see it that is a greater rate of use than Wally has of the speed steal so should we call that non standard? Hell if you add every time wally has used the speed steal since then and divide by his appearances and do the same for Loki, the Norn stones are more commonly used than all Speed steal powers. Wally has appeared in 2700 comics to Loki's 1900. classic tales is a few hundred for each.
Oh, this is the statement feat about them in which both are compared to each other? That's extremely dated and obviously not accurate to anything modern these days. You might as well use Thor time travelling or Loki reality warping if that's your point. Not only that, but Loki got completely overwhelmed by just a bit of Dormammu's power and turned insane: not sure what point you are trying to make there.
the fact that you answered this as though I had said something I hadn't amazes me. I said they arent equals. I said it wasn't the case so trying to school me on something that I already said is the case is very disingenuous. I offered the two times that he was compared to Dormammu only to show it had been done. I also said that it wasn't the case. It does however show that since he took power from Dorm's he can take power vastly above his. Loki took the power of Dormammu in Avengers 118, and 119. That was with the aid of the evil eye (which isn't standard gear). He went seemingly mad from all that power, or did he. We learned in Thor 230 something that he had in fact left a doppelganger apparently insane while he studied Dormammu's powers for months.
Not true, Loki will not go as to kill Thor but he will beat him to a pulp
That is just it, Zoom is exactly the same. Loki NEEDS to have his brother see him as his superior, so can never beat him to the point where that isn't possible. He craves his brother's respect. Zoom Needs to make wally a better hero. Loki has saved Thor many many times and Zoom will never put Wally \'s life at risk. Both hold back because what makes them an enemy demands it.
This thread gives Loki 2 days of prep. In the first hour he uses a simple spell of divination to learn what he needs to know to win. he then summons what ever artefact he needs to give him that win condition (likely the Norn stones as he has used them before and has referred to them "as power"