batmanary

I think he can write very well. I liked Black Mirror a lot, frex. But his New 52 Batman has left something to be desired. Specifically, his conclusions. Court of Owls and City of Owls and Death of the Family have amazing build up, a lot of tension, and then....it just dissipates. I mean the great conclusion to Death of the Family....was just the family moping around a bit.

@PowerPuck said:

@batmanary said:

I was more or less pointing out the issue with him bringing up the fact that he was a king and that it was pretty irrelevant to the conversation. Now, my point being, you can be the greatest warrior in Wakanda, but where exactly did he learn every fighting style there is? I already put my opinion on that subject earlier on.

t'challa traveled the world to hone his intelligence and his fighting skills many years before he returned to wakanda to take the throne. there's that large gap in his history where one could draw many possibilities. but, ultimately, there's no indication of where he learned these fighting styles, but only that he simply learned them. there are also instances of him training in his palace in a number of his books. other than that, his extent of his training isn't as fleshed out at batman's is (and if I recall correctly, character that aren't as popular but are considered good fighters suffer from the same thing t'challa does). it doesn't mean that we should write of t'challa because of how vague the extent of his training may be, because in spite of that, he shown many times that he's one of marvel's best fighters.

your opinion is respected, though.

Thank you. Now frankly, it is my opinion that if it isn't fleshed out, then I disregard it as pseudo-PIS, but I can also see how others may not, and I completely respect that opinion. I just don't happen to see it that way. :)

@TrueMarvel said:

@batmanary said:

@PowerPuck said:

@batmanary said:

By your logic, King Abdullah of Jordan could beat Batman. Their training is not that extensive, buddy. Though I will concede that I do not follow BP. And my post does state IMO.

wakanda is primarily a warrior nation above everything else. they to learn to fight before becoming the most technologically advanced. their training is extensive. t'challa was trained from early childhood, and to become king, he had to defeat wakanda's best warriors and the current black panther at the time of the rite of ascension. one cannot be considered to rule as black panther if he's not well-trained warrior.

you've admitted that you don't follow black panther, so how would you know if his training is extensive or not, on top of comparing him to a realistic king that's not even as skilled as he is? if t'challa's training isn't that extensive, how is he able to fight people like captain america, iron fist, a skrull with the fighting skills of marvel's best fighters, one shot karnak twice, and study every fighting style there is?

I was more or less pointing out the issue with him bringing up the fact that he was a king and that it was pretty irrelevant to the conversation. Now, my point being, you can be the greatest warrior in Wakanda, but where exactly did he learn every fighting style there is? I already put my opinion on that subject earlier on.

So... you are spectical of how BP learned every MA style... but you accept the fact that Batman mastered every style in the world in 5 years? while getting a multitude of PHDs in the same span? Double standards.

I already mentioned this in my first post. I know you have read it, and I certainly did address that fact.

@PowerPuck said:

@batmanary said:

By your logic, King Abdullah of Jordan could beat Batman. Their training is not that extensive, buddy. Though I will concede that I do not follow BP. And my post does state IMO.

wakanda is primarily a warrior nation above everything else. they to learn to fight before becoming the most technologically advanced. their training is extensive. t'challa was trained from early childhood, and to become king, he had to defeat wakanda's best warriors and the current black panther at the time of the rite of ascension. one cannot be considered to rule as black panther if he's not well-trained warrior.

you've admitted that you don't follow black panther, so how would you know if his training is extensive or not, on top of comparing him to a realistic king that's not even as skilled as he is? if t'challa's training isn't that extensive, how is he able to fight people like captain america, iron fist, a skrull with the fighting skills of marvel's best fighters, one shot karnak twice, and study every fighting style there is?

I was more or less pointing out the issue with him bringing up the fact that he was a king and that it was pretty irrelevant to the conversation. Now, my point being, you can be the greatest warrior in Wakanda, but where exactly did he learn every fighting style there is? I already put my opinion on that subject earlier on.

@TrueMarvel said:

@batmanary said:

@TrueMarvel said:

@batmanary:

Sorry man... But in no part of your paragraph did you clearly state WHY batman would win. Panther is a king. The king of the most technological advanced nation in marvel universe. In terms of technology batman really doesn't compare.

Mainly through the mentality. Panther is a king. Not a crime fighter. In terms of technology, how don't they compare, exactly? Nothing of Panther's, that I have seen has especially blown me away.

Sorry man. But you might not know alot about BP. Your crimefighter mentality point actually works against you. Kings are trained from birth to defend themselves, their people, and their borders. Also, BP has recently moved to hells kitchen to fight crime(depressed or something). The crimefighter mentality actually doesn't work in batmans favor. Criminals are often unskilled and cowardly. Its also important to point out that BP is not a criminal, and heros do not share the smae mentality as criminals.

By your logic, King Abdullah of Jordan could beat Batman. Their training is not that extensive, buddy. Though I will concede that I do not follow BP. And my post does state IMO.

@TrueMarvel said:

@batmanary:

Sorry man... But in no part of your paragraph did you clearly state WHY batman would win. Panther is a king. The king of the most technological advanced nation in marvel universe. In terms of technology batman really doesn't compare.

Mainly through the mentality. Panther is a king. Not a crime fighter. In terms of technology, how don't they compare, exactly? Nothing of Panther's, that I have seen has especially blown me away.

Golden Age Superman was a New Dealer. Beyond that, Superman is what we want him to be. As is Batman. Are you conservative? Then I suppose in your eyes, Superman would be too. Are you liberal? Then likewise. That's the great thing about him and other characters. We can and are allowed to project our own thoughts onto them.

Personally, I think Batman would win against Black Panther. It would indeed be a close fight, and quite brutal, but I give Batman the edge in tech, despite the vibranium that T'Challa possesses, because his suit is frankly made for war. Batman goes out with the intention of fighting crime every day. That is his mentality. T'Challa does not work like that. He isn't really out there to fight crime beyond supercrime. He is a king. And ultimately that means that in a physical encounter, he will lose the edge, despite his brutality.

Also, I'm a bit skeptical about the whole master of pertinent martial arts thing. I mean, yeah, even Batman didn't have it at first, but once it was written in, it made sense. It fits in with his mentality and his mission. Having people like Steve Rogers and T'Challa just happening to have this same experience (of learning all the martial arts) turns me off.

@wessaari said:

@TheMess1428: hey man just think of it this way. the guy is under alot of stress, he is writing 3 different titles, is in constant work with his artists, editors, executives at DC, trying to make the 2 crossovers that he is work, tackle on his own social agenda etc. people are so up in arms about the Tim Drake controversy that he has recieved death threats, ya people are that immature. was what he did immature, yes. in hindsight, was it the smartest move, no. but i really think seeing a video on a website that he really likes and personally goes to on a sufficient basis, bad-mouthing his work (even though that wasnt your intention), he said something that was rude and as you said childish. do i think Scott is a bad guy, hell no. do i think he is embarrassed that he did that, hell yes. so if he doesnt apologize, its most likely that he feels bad or is uber busy, all i can say is cut him a little slack in that department, and keep doing what you're doing, thats why we got freedom of speech

No excuse. I'm sure that there are tons of viners that have important jobs that keep them hella busy. Being stressed is understandable, but it doesn't give you an excuse to just go around being condescending to others for not liking your work.

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Blue Beetle

Savage Hawkman

Green Arrow

World's Finest

Grifter

Batman Inc (Once Morrison's gone, they should wrap up the title and end it)

GL New Guardians

New

Shazam!

Sensation Comics (as an anthology type book)

Adventure Comics (See above)

Time Corps (Booster Gold, Rip Hunter)

Elseworlds

Sandman (Earth 2)

Mr. Terrific (With good writers, this time!)

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All-American Comics (Should follow the Liberty File universe)