Since you're really the only one arguing for Bats I'd say the fanboy comment was accurate, and any comments directed at our argument have had you on the losing end mein freund.
Clayface has been beaten by rain in the comics at least twice that I've seen. Once was an old one, I don't remember the issue, and the other one was fairly recent, I'm wanting to say sometime around Hush, though not in Hush...that didn't really count.
Spidey is 15 times faster than a human i.e. Batman. Lizard is as fast or faster than Spidey. Hence Lizard is 15 times faster than Batman at least.
Batman has human level strength...approximately 1 ton lifting capacity max. Lizard when he was introduced was a 15 tonner and has increased since.
Batman has overcome greater odds...after having lots of prep time and intimate knowledge of his target.
Amazo is irrelevant. I didn't see the fight you're referencing, but I know it wasn't their first encounter. Consequently Bats had tons of info and had prepped ahead. I'm guessing it was also a much different environment than most of the ones proposed here. Here he is limited to more enclosed spaces and that limits his movement.
A face full of cryo will piss Lizard off, not stop him. In his first appearance Spidey had to lock him in a deep freeze over night to cause dormancy, and he's much harder to stop now. Bruce needs the freeze gun, and I doubt that he can get to it. Electricity would be better, but Bats usually only has high enough voltage for a human, not enough for Lizard.
Enough heat will stop Sandman. But Bats is prepping for Clayface. When Batman adds a hotter than the Human Torch device to his belt, let me know. A napalm pellet or even a hundred of them won't be even close to enough
He would need to buy a lot of time, and against opponents who are nearly all much stronger, much faster, and completely unfamiliar he won't get enough. The difference in opponents prepped for really does make a difference. Lets use Croc and Lizard as the example since they have the most similar prep necessary. Batman prepares for Croc. He has sonics and cryo and probably electrically charged armor. The problem is that hes expecting an opponent who's slower than he is, only slightly stronger, and only requires a single dose of any one of those items he's prepared with. Lizard will be on him before he even realizes he's been attacked. He'll be saved from the first blow killing him by his own very impressive skill, but the sonics, the cryo, and the electricity are all calibrated much too low. They won't hurt lizard. They will hardly slow him down. One or two blows later, and Bats will have broken limbs and be easy pickings. No amount of skill will save you when you have a broken leg and two broken arms, not to mention probably broken ribs, maybe even a broken spine. Every contact from the Lizard will break something on Bruce, and it's a bit hard to search for a gun underwater in a sewer when you have a lightning fast opponent, who hits as hard as a truck.
I agree with you for the last two. Human potential is limitless. And I don't know why Sandman plus Hydroman equals brainless mud monster. We'd have to ask the writers of that issue. It should equal strangely homoerotic sandcastle. Alas, the writers didn't think of that.
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