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#1  Edited By Azronger

If the Krew have Tenzin and Lin, they win. Lin can sense when and from where Yun is coming, so assassination techniques are going to be of limited use. And in a straight fight, even in this location, he would need to devote his full attention to any of the big three - Korra, Lin, or Tenzin - by themselves, and he is losing to any combination involving two of them. Jianzhu would get beaten by the rest of the team working in tandem.

If the Krew lack their mentors, then they lose. Korra would have her hands full with either Yun or Jianzhu, both of whom can solo Mako, Bolin, and Asami, and then the pair would tag team Korra.

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Very interesting analysis (your link isn't working, btw), in fact she did produce an instant lightning bolt without any sort of charge and windup in Sozin's Comet. Though I always had a bit of a problem with that feat (and instant lightning as a concept in general), that being the constant emphasis on lightning in general in B2. Now the writers did retroactively add instant lightning into the Kyoshi novels, so it did exist during the events of ATLA, but that wouldn't really explain the constant training regimens, or the fact we never see it on display once. Even if not in combat, we've seen Azula practicing lightning on her own, or Iroh teaching it to Zuko, if we assume instant lightning is just an easier and more commonplace technique, I'd imagine Iroh would try to teach it to Zuko as well. Though maybe you just think it's Azula exclusive? I just don't think there's any proof the technique existed during actual ATLA production, which if there were some confirmation on that, it'd prove you right.

I do agree with this though

The link works if you remove the / at the end of the url. I don't know why Comic Vine adds that.

The Legend of Korra - Art of the Animated Series, Book One: Air
The Legend of Korra - Art of the Animated Series, Book One: Air

And no, I wouldn't call what Azula does during Sozin's Comet instant lightning since she charges it with hand motions each time before release (link, there are three on-screen instances and one off-screen instance of lightning generation between 3:28 and 4:03; the three are charged and the one we can't know either way). The motions are very quick, sure, but it's still not truly instantaneous. Instant lightning is something I define as the bolt leaving the bender's finger without any sparks being seen around them beforehand. The only person in the original show who definitively does this is Ozai (link, make sure to turn the sound on from the top right corner of the video). If you look carefully at the second and third bolts, there are no sparks around Ozai's hands before the bolts appear, and you can hear this in the audio as well: there is no sizzling sound added to the second and third bolts before launch like there is for the first and fourth when his hands are sparking; there is only the rumble of thunder when the attacks are fired. Of course, we do know retroactively that Azula is capable of this during the series as well, though her instant lightning would naturally be weaker than her father's.

As for lightning generation in general, I think it's actually the opposite to what you suggest: that the faster the draw, the more difficult the maneuver is and therefore the more skilled the bender is. Why else would Iroh teach Zuko with deliberate and slow hand motions if it was harder than simply pointing and shooting? After all, bending is about the flow of chi energy through the body, and hand gestures help facilitate this; the less motions you use, the more psychic effort goes into the feat. This may be another reason for its sparing use, since the often negligible damage done may not be worth the additional mental exertion if a hit is not guaranteed. Though I'm merely speculating of course.

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I agree there isn't a single feat Azula does in the comics she couldn't have replicated in the show (except probably the AOE lightning and maybe the two-handed release - those seem new to her). The overall portrayal is that she has gotten more powerful, but it's not to the monumental degree that is often claimed, and her ranking between Book Three and Smoke and Shadow doesn't really change for me at all.

On the topic of instant lightning, although it's something we only see from her for the first time in The Search, given that there's no way Azula would have improved during her stint in a mental asylum, confined to a straitjacket, it's something that retroactively I take her to have been capable of in the show as well. The reason she never uses it there is probably what you point out: it's blatantly not that effective - the most damage we see it do is scorch Kei Lo's shoulder (sending Zuko crashing to a wall I would still describe as charged lightning given we see Azula do the typical hand motions in the previous panel), and Mai can dodge it from pretty close range - relative to how taxing it is to one's chi reserves (The Legend of Korra - Art of the Animated Series, Book One: Air). In fact, it's not just Azula; we barely see anyone use lightning in active combat. It's nearly always tactical takedowns when there's a reprieve in the action or otherwise favorable circumstances, with the only exceptions to that rule I can think of being Azula when she's insane (i.e. not fighting tactically), Ozai under Sozin's Comet, and Xu Ping An as a surprise opening move in a time in history when the technique is a novelty and not expected by the opponent. For this reason I don't really see the point of differentiating between lightning and no-lightning rounds in threads involving lightningbenders most of the time.

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My first instinct was to say obviously Unalaq but given the divisiveness of the answers maybe I'm missing something.

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No idea if this is a good fight, just thought it would be thematically appropriate. Which one of these serpentine megalomaniacs shall prove the stronger?

Both book and movie feats allowed for Voldemort; both lore and gameplay feats allowed for Rykard. Battle takes place in Rykard's boss arena. Do note that Voldemort has to slay the God-Devouring Serpent first before Rykard awakens and engages him properly.

Round 1: The killing curse and Serpent Hunter are both restricted.

Round 2: The killing curse is restricted but the Serpent Hunter is allowed.

Round 3: The killing curse and Serpent Hunter are both allowed, but would the former work on Rykard?

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It's been a while since I read the books but I was never too impressed with Kyoshi beyond her considerable power in earthbending. Her use of the other elements was quite minimal from what I recall, and I don't believe in an actual fight she would beat any of the notable masters from her own series - Jianzhu, Hei-Ran, or Kelsang -, all of whom I have solidly below Tenzin. Honestly, I think you could swap Yun for Tenzin for the final fight of The Shadow of Kyoshi and it'd go just as poorly for the Flying Opera Company.

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They would have their hands full with Roku alone tbh, even if they could take him. However, I think Sozin should be good enough to hold any of them off for good spell - based on his prodigious youth, his albeit limited feats which nonetheless showcase both power and ingenuity, as well as his implied status as a dragon slayer -, and Roku would beat the remaining duo.

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I think 5 is the first round that can be considered competitive, as can all the others after that. Though I've no notion of how to model 5-7 so I'm unsure who's going to be the victor, but I'd probably put my money on Korra and Tenzin winning a majority if I had to make a bet. Roku is the only one who I think beats them for sure.

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I think with these numbers, and the fact that they have Tarrlok to diminish some of the effects of Yakone's bloodbending, and the ability of many of the benders here to keep their distance and attack from range with immense power, that Yakone is going down.

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