Aversionofthee

@kevd4wg:Gonna assume you're athiest, but not enough posts to be sure, so if you're not don't take it personally.

No worries.

All depends on the context. You can't use the BA example whose vastly faster then Hulk and compare it to Hulk, where the speed gap is a lot bigger. And once again, I'm not saying that Superman will dodge it completely, just that Hulk won't be able to line up a perfect Thunderclap so Superman won't take the brunt of the damage and can just shrug it off. Not a superman expert, but hasn't Damage only been linked to Rebirth Superman and therefore not relevant to this match?

In which way is BA "vastly" faster than Hulk? BA doesn't even have any noticeable combat feats outside of his one fight with Jay. BA isn't the speedster that you are trying to make him out to be. Why does Hulk need to "line up" a perfect thunderclap? What is Superman gonna do to prevent him from doing so? Hit him to distract him? You know that Green Scars whole shtick was that he could multi-task while getting the crap beat out of him?

Like getting absolutely mangled by ZomStrage and still having enough sense to recover and save innocent people from a falling building

https://imgur.com/a/7MfKt4t

He preformed a thunderclap while in the middle of fighting Herc, getting grabbed by Namora and having Angel blind him with dust

https://imgur.com/a/GdQihdR

But best of is him preforming a thunderclap after getting shredded like Swiss cheese by Skaar and even literally as Skaar is hitting him over the head as Hulk claps

https://imgur.com/a/fTcIbXw

So i don't see Green Scan unable to preform a thunderclap, considering he has done so and other things while getting mangled more than Superman can hope to mangle him.

Isn't this pot-crisis Superman? As in it includes pre-52/new-52 and Rebirth Superman? If so why would the Damage incident not be relevant to this match?

Yeah, he got overarrogant and felt juiced. That doesn't mean he wasn't suffering from it. We literally saw him explode into heat and fire, if that's not an obvious sign of overheating, I don't know what is. Hence why at the end where he starts really overheating, he fails to even slightly damage Hulk with seemingly his strongest hit and immediately get knocked out. Like in his first fight, he clearly shows signs of beginning to overheat him here while still being cocky. In their next fight, Hulk just new what to look for and took him out as soon as he was weaker.

I need you to show me a single scan that even HINTS at him feeling weaker, feeling dizzy, feeling exhausted, the fact that he explodes from heat tells me nothing considering we have seen him in his first fight with Savage Hulk literally burning so much so he was turning sand to glass without getting weakened.

https://imgur.com/a/73rQ8DN

He beat the Hulk, tanked Hulks punches and overpowered him in the end even breaking his arm and choking him out and yet as i said was burning so hard he was turning sand to glass under their feat yet showed no signs of getting weaker, the whole heat makes him weaker thing is entirely a plot device, considering he was also burning so hard when he killed Abomination he burnt down an entire village and again turned sand to glass and was not weakened there, so his weakness is something Loeb remembered to use whenever it was convenient for the plot.

So we see him after he hits Hulk with a nuke yell out as if he is on the top of the world how he is the strongest there is, the comic makes no hint even that he is weakened and that's why he is either unable to beat Green Scar or loses to him in the end.

And that scan you just posted does not show him beginning to overheat there, he wasn't beginning to overheat until this

https://imgur.com/a/ooE9OUv

because that's literally the first time he shows signs of slowing down and getting weaker.

Edit: And where does the whole savage hulk in the first fight with Rulk come from, IIRC it was Green Scar who couldn't beat him before without him overheating.

No it's not, every fight Hulk had with him all you need to do is look at how Hulk taled, their first fight

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LxDRuPKHzKQ/VtQQKVJvMGI/AAAAAAAALLQ/o7HsaIAzLTs/s1600-Ic42/RCO009.jpg

Would Green Scar ever say "Hulk is not a bag of hammers"?

Their second fight

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yq1pt-Mu9dg/VtQV5cJN_2I/AAAAAAAALw4/1QjcVro8rmg/s1600-Ic42/RCO016_w.jpg

Would Green Scar say stuff like "Red Hulk thinks Hulk is stupid. Red Hulk hurts everybody. Red Hulk is BAD Hulk"? I mean come on.

Or do you mean the 3rd time they fought when Collector and Grandmaster put Banners mind in Hulks body?

https://imgur.com/a/AZNP5nQ

He didn't even want to fight Rulk, which is why Rulk even calls him a milksop.

List of characters Apoc was harmed is almost to great to list but lets go,

harmed by Jane Thor and even beaten by her and Unworthy Thor

https://imgur.com/a/qALSVTT

he was beaten senseless by Stryfe

https://imgur.com/a/zlofXUK

he was harmed by Janjborn(BEFORE IT RECEIVED IT'S ENCHANT)

https://imgur.com/a/6wnr8xS

he was harmed by Cable

https://imgur.com/a/JqNhY1K

he was harmed by Cyclops

https://imgur.com/a/fffROcS

He was beaten senseless by Draculas minions and later Dracula himself

https://imgur.com/a/zFe9tUP

harmed again by Cable

https://imgur.com/a/AHwNfpv

and again

https://imgur.com/a/LWC5VZX

gets briefly overwhelmed by Namor and has to flee from him

https://imgur.com/a/prHrqpK

Apocolypse has been harmed many times, by opponents on Hulks level and even much lower, on the other hand Apoc has nothing to offer that can put down anyone from Savage Hulk and above. He simply lacks the damage output for such a thing.

@sabbavsk:Doc Green and Rulk never shook the Earth but only the US and Doc Green couldn't even beat a nerfed Rulk, until he reverted to his Savage side for a moment, compared to some other Hulk incarnations who could go toe to toe with Loeb Rulk and even beat him.

Hulk is neither unbeatable, he did crack Thors skull, he did stomp Red Hulk 2 and regular hollow Rulk, whether or not he becomes a multiversal entity is irrelevant here. Al did say Galactus can't kill him but what he says and what's no paper are 2 different things, not that either matter in this instance since Apoc is not Galactus. Everything is going pretty good, not sure what you are so upset about here, especially since you mixed facts with strawmans for some reason.

BTW do you agree with Helion on Apoc never been harmed by physical force and that no physical force can ever harm him?

OT: I am gonna be generous and say Apoc stops at Savage Hulk, as he doesn't have the means to overwhelm this incarnation with his damage output and put him down, while he has been harmed by Thor level entities in the past multiple times and even taken out by them which means Hulk would bring him down as well after a nice fight.

Now imagine staining for someone who thinks Apoc can't be harmed by physical damage untless it involves enchanted weapons or some made up nonsense they pulled out of their ass.

Oh and as for the nonsense that Apocs armor can't be harmed outside of enchanted weapons, not only was he harmed by Jarnjborn before it got enchanted but She-Hulk was able to bust through literal Celestial armor on an actual Celestial, let alone Apoc crap tier armor

Savage Hulk already beat Sandman twice. Once via a thunderclap another time via creating a whirlpool in the water that sucked up Sandman.

This is a stomp. Post Crisis Superman and H'el could solo. Zod would lose 1v1, but together it's an absolute stomp.

LOL no.

Kingpin.