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@arcus: true but aang's feats seem a lot better. whenever korra secures a win fire does not seem to be the answer. it might be a not a full mastery or a little bit of plot. fire never fully works for her air helped her way more which is weird

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is this aang and korra together then they can take all except maybe 5 im not sure on that one, tenzin would be a little above aang due to being older and havng better mental state as aang a lot of times is a naive kid.

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@arcus: korra rushes in throws around elements and azula is on aang's level in her agility she can dodge those with ease. and like feats show azula was crafty with fire and more destructive when she blew back aang's defenses who is good at earth bending and comes out toph's clutches which is impressive. korra in comparison is not as fast, precise or powerful when i say powerful i dont mean her AS standards but just general capabilites

i have a question for you why do u ask the same questions again and again i told u why i think she is more agile or powerful. if u disagree just state ur reason and lets move on i feel like u are repeating some questions.

i dont see that in korra. she is not as a good of a raw fighter IMO.

not basically won but more like a finishing strike is what i mean

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Umm she had similar feats from before she should not have been manhandled in any fight especially against kuvira who is not impressive as previous villians. she was not so below her prime. ANd pre book 4 korra was not impressive she lost to so many ppl like the blood bending bros,unavaatu with AS in a bad way needed jinora to save her too at the end , and getting manhandled by kuvira after poison is pitiful and her AS feats are not good he wasnt able to take out zaheer. She lost to zaheer with her dad, she lost to chiblockers. Her record is very bad in comparison. You act as if b4 the book 4 she was a god no she always was throwing around elements her style was not great by any means. Bloodbending is excusable since its OP but she had many other bad fighting feats. Every finale so far except the first she needed major help whether it was jinora, airbenders, etc. and this time it was opal and jinora. tenzin was able to take on red lotus with just air but korra can't say the same with all her elements she was just bad. Her feats are not great in battle. AS feats are disappointing the most

She lost unalak who had 1 element vs her four even if he had vaatu, with AS she should have been way stronger

I wan't talking to you on those points but arcus who mentioned hama,combustion man, yu yan archers, etc who aang didnt fully lose against etc. so i mentioned Amon, tarrlok etc. I was just simply stating where she lost and compared to where aang lost simple and whether bloodbending or not she lost. But that was a different discussion not towards u.

And did u not see her lose to zaheer with the help of tanraq she was almost a non-factor in that fight even with her help they both lost shows her skills. she was still able to earth bend and had a fire breath etc and couldn't beat zaheer with her dad. and this zaheer was easily beaten by Tenzin, Zaheer was outmaneuvering both of them it shows general her weakness.

i don't think you even read the whole discussion as soon as i mention one feat u go ape shit, aang was still decent is what i said korra was better ask arcus we talked abut this the whole time. Aang had it for a few weeks ofc he wont be as good as ozai. His feats were still nonetheless impressive in combat he blocked one of ozai's moves with just fire which is good. He showed breath of fire very early. She had 15+ years and is not master level thats my point she doesnt have azula's destruction, defensive capability and agility in fire, korra uses jet in AS.

Are u blind me and arcus were talking about her potential in fire and i said azula and zuko in comparison we were not strictly talking about aang vs azula. u just seem to butt in everywhere and take things out of context. And look at aang's feats when in ember island he had some impressive firebending. And let me say he only had what a few weeks.

so what its the plot of first book so what she kind of bad at it, and never got really good after a while she uses in combat all the time and is still didnt master it. Aang was bad at earth but became extremely skilled through combat etc. I was just making a direct comparison. She had more than a year and still wasnt great at it thats kind of bad for an avatar to get outdone by Opal etc. she had a lot of combat exp thats how she even got air bending and she had book 1 to 3 where she accumulated exp for airbending and is still not impressive. book 1 to 3 was more than 6 months. And i love how you korra fans use lack of training as an excuse when aang had what 6 months for 3 elements.

Aang got shot by lightning and got his shit together it shows he has high mental fortitude they are both traumatic experience. And toph even mentions that korra subconsciously does not want all the burden it was a self inflicted problem and katara who said it was korra's mental state, aang in many respects superior including this one.

Not to mention she lost to Unavaatu in AS who only had one element. Her AS feats are not as good as aang's

So aang wins in air and earth handily, and is proficient in fire has better agility w/o bending and better AS. Korra is ok at air, and earth and good at fire and really good with water(which she barely uses) since she cant bend from the air etc. Aang is simply way more versatile and has better AS feats.

Aang wins for these reasons in a fight even as a 12 year old. Which is why korra imo with all her exp is kind of disappointing.

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And that was my point u can't complain about her losing to unavaatu, she just has many incompetent moments in the series way more than aang ever did. these characters have flaws and sometimes this happens and aang indeed did lose similar to how korra lost and as i said she had way more of these moments.

why are u showing me water did i say korra was bad at water u just added that for no reason. i said aang wasnt bad he made a small change in weather with a little water bending. korra is better no doubt in water

water in small sources still is effective look at tonraq vs zaheer,

ok lets get to fire, her feats are not great look at azula they literally bust earth through fire they break through aang's defenses, zuko creates a hallway full of flames in a matter of seconds. Azula cut a part of building with fire. she burns inside the building with utmost ease. Their use of firebending was smart and powerful, korra has decent power again not master level she had 15+ years exp in this and she is not amazing. amon wasn't phased at all, korra beating that white lotus guy was cool and impressive but not on the likes of azula again who uses fire for jets, fire to break things, fire for incredible defense against Gaang and zuko. She is unimpressive in comparison and this is her main weapon as she uses it way more in real world applications whenever she is out without water.

And aang defended himself against ozai just with fire for a moment and produced a similar amount that in itself is impressive since it repeled each other but as expected he was a novice in comparison to ozai in pure fire bending since he is still a novice. Its at the beginning of ozai vs aang fight. aang defintely showed great feat and potential. Again i would emphasize since u emphasize on korra only having one year he had a few weeks

those water feats are truly impressive i will give u that she is quite good but i wonder what the excuse is for her to not take it out of the environment or carry it as she can quickly whip or freeze people water would be so useful even in small amounts.

Opal had 3 years, korra should be still due to having training for more than a year then having tons of combat exp. Combat exp is very valuable which is what made bolin what he is today. korra improved but not as great, combat is what even gave her airbending.

And again what about earth she in plain terms sucks and she had 15+years exp.

And his AS stats are simply better.

and he didnt train fully in anything still this good. one he simply a genius which he is but also kind of disappointing in korra.

call it plot call it what u want but simply she is not impressive compared to aang. I was hoping more out of an aggresive avatar.

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ofc not katara is a prodigy she became so good in a few months, she is very underrated and is one of the best water benders. her water is very versatile and she can contend with many agile fighters like azula and zuko who is not as good but still worthy. but azula is still a beast the flow of battle could have gone either but katara had the edge, all those feats still stand she extremely agile and precise and powerful all at once which korra is not and would go down fighting a high diff fight as long as AS is not used. katara is more of her weakness as far as i have seen she is very effective against aang, toph couldn't get as easily and she broke out of toph's grip easilly when she had fire bending back after the eclipse.

lightning is more useful at the end of fights where ppl get more worn down azula used later on in th fight against zuko and its hard to dodge even for aang.

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yea it is by using more elements it gives u different advantages. water is a versatile element along with using air she could much better fight against people. look at what tonraq can do with limited water and korra can mix in some air or earth and she becomes so much harder to take down

im comparing how they deallt with trauma aang did miles better call it plot whatever but thats what happened. aang did it better and im comparing her feats from that fight to all other fights it wasnt too different. Her feats were along the same lines yes she was rusty i give u that but she was humiliated beyond belief no avatar was toyed like that.

he shot firebending to destroy the airship after shooting it with earth. He use fire to block ozai's attack he used fire more than water and used it directly against ozai which was impressive, he redirected lightning. he used water only to extinguish the fire from ozai once without AS and he used it to catch when he fell down. He used fire more than normal and his featsat ember island were good. those are his feats just look up ozai vs aang in youtube

ok look at this opal was good at air and she jinora stopped kuvira and her army why the hell can korra not do that. even in the season before, she should be closer to zaheer but shes not. she is just not that talented imo an the plot obviously the way the writers wrote her

Plot is plot u can't cry about it she lost there u can't give her free pass, aang should not have lost to yu yan archers he was beyond stupid he told them that they dropped arrows and was still looking for frogs when they were shooting arrows at him. He was always smart but plot made him stupid stuff like that happens and it gets counted against them like u mentioned aang lost yu yan archers.

No AS kicked in TLA when aang when through intense emotions like katara dying(supposed), nomads dying, appa disappearing it made sense when he went into it. U kno where korra as a story sucks she has AS but never used it to get out of sticky situations, thats plot convenience, she didnt use it when her dad supposedly died. she never used in S3 when all the times she could have saved her friends, in S2 when she was tied in ropes there she could use it to save everyone but nope she used in the next ep for a random reason. Thats Plot more than any UNvatu vs korra where she shown she could have done more with AS u can blame it on her incompetence which she has shown where as there is no excuse for her not using AS in all those situations.

aang had a time constraint but korra has all the time in the world and she should be better with earth and fire. even air is semi excusable in comparison. all life she had training i expect master level atleast in fire. as you say its more readily available so she should by logic be really good with those that are available to her especially since she had exp with it for years.

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I just gave u an example, tonraq vs zaheer just put korra there with a limited supplyy tonraq showed that he could put a good fight. She could use it against kuvira etc it makes her more formidable opponent.

I'm not ignoring it toph clearly said she is her own problem thats who she is. Aang showed to come out of trauma better was one of my points. Aang when exhausted and didnt sleep still never lost so pathetically. look at her feats against kuvira its similar to her previous fights she wasnt so much below her usual self and kuvira went easy allowed her to get up and gave her chances no avatar was ever toyed on that level.

In the fight against ozai he used air and earth almost equally and used fire quite a bit. ofc he didnt use fire b4 he didnt know it. He had a few weeks and he was proficient look at ember island korra should be on the league of firebending master with all her exp yet she does not impress me she had years about 18 to be exact and if thats her primary fighting style more than water i expect more from her.

I never said same level as aang but closer than where she is now, she had over a year and had the best teacher in the world and way more time and she uses it in combat a lot she should be more effective with it. and this is seen in her face off against unalak and she doesnt use it as well as she should in kuviras fight etc. look at zaheer he was a natural i expect her to get closer to that not even fully on zaheer lvl but closer to it and no i dont mean flight just normal zaheer who was very evasive and used good airbending korra has good technique but still can't apply it as well. aang in a few months was comparable to toph and big time earth benders if u go by his fights and training where he effortlessly dodges katara and toph and shows capability with earth only. And i'm glad she had metal.

And no its not the same as expecting aang to be as good as korra, aang is again 12 he is so immature even with the war he was playing around and didnt always take his training seriously which shows he is a kid. Ofc i won't expect him to be better than korra in water.

i meant the fire in sokkas master

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYvOnwitIYs

And avatar state could have been quite useful against Vaatu and unalak, but she somehow lost to him who only had one element. She needed all the fire power there. His AS feats are better.

and he thought her father was dead her rage should have made it even more stronger similar to how aang almost creates cyclones when he finds out his ppl got killed by FN.

Her fight against zaheer was amazing i loved it but in comparison her feats again fall short, aang bended big rocks without AS and with it he annihilated the entire battlefield. Poison kicked in later and she lost yes but b4 that her avatar state while good was not on aang's level.

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@arcus:

examples im saying she doesnt have any cuz she never uses waterbending in her fights which she is clearly good at where she is not surrounded by water. learn to take it from the environment or have some with her like katara, imagine thats like having another katara if katara taught her everything and katara is plenty useful. look at tonraq he put up a good fight against ppl with limited supply like zaheer etc. it would throw off her opponents.

this is aang vs korra im showing in which ways that aang is superior he had a situation where he was nearly dead and came back. and toph said this problem is self caused which makes me have less sympathy for her. she got poison out and she showed similar feats to b4 she should never have lost that badly. PTSD was only shown when she was in AS. I dont think this is going anywhere we both interpret it differently.

he uses fire a lot in the last fight against ozai, i do agree he doesnt use water as much. Korra uses air a lot and shes a lot older i won't expect her to be on aang's level but closer to it than she is now where she throws it mainly still around a projectile. She should be better with the amount of usage and time she had that element. And i also mentioned earth she should be much better at it with so many years of practice i was emphasizing that as well.

And her avatar state feats disappoint me as well nothing impressive on the scale of aang she should be better with more experience.

aang was still good with water like he could do the tentacles and assisted katara against the serpent and stopped a forest fire or some big fire in S3 with water but again he had only what few months of training.

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it throws enemies off guard thats why, water is such a useful element and she did not learn how to extract it from air i blame katara for that. She would much better if she uses water alongside since more often than not she is in the middle of streets with no water. Not using her most proficient element thats crazy in my eyes if i were her i would try to use that more in fights to protect people and herself better.

I do acknowledge but it was a self created problem she kept trying to find herself and used it as an excuse as toph said. The creators made her the way she is, she is somewhat mentally weak unlike aang who got over it. But her feats were not too different from her previous fights and kuvira was going slow and mocking her.

look at her in general she doesnt incorporate the styles like aang, aang listens and attacks like an earthbender, he evades and dodges and attacks like a airbender, at the same time he started to use firebending with some ferociousness as seen in his training and and with ozai. he uses water well and is natural like katara but he still did not master it at that age. But he fights and incorporates the elements well especially air and earth which korra doesnt do at all in every fight she rushes with using all her elements like fire.

No she should be much closer to aang, keep in mind she is older shes not a kid like aang I expect more from her due to that. she had all her life and still not good at earth which makes me disappointed with her she should be better.