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@lord_tenebrous:

What has Starkiller ever done to suggest he can even compete with ROTS Sidious?

The fact that he competed with TFU Sidious.

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@mygod101:

If I recall correctly, Vader wasn't truly trying to kill him, and he casually overpowered him in a force battle.

Arguments without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I provided statements from the novel which directly contradict the idea that Vader wasn't trying to kill Galen.

As for the Force battle part I'm gonna need proof that this happened.

Hey, this isn't about Vader...this is about Starkiller Vs Mace. Starkiller wins do you agree or disagree with this?

I agree.

The other stuff if you want to debate it PM, but let not Derail the thread.

It's not really derailing. Whether or not Galen is sub-Vader is entirely relevant to his overall standing in-universe and whether or not he can overpower Mace.

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@mygod101:

Vader trained Starkiller his whole life, so obviously, Starkiller is going to have the edge since he studied Vader style of fighting.

This advantage works both ways given Vader likely knows Starkiller's style as well. Plus, this is a leap in logic given the inverse is actually presented in the novel. Galen thinks he's going to overcome Vader by knowing his style and then ends up on his ass because of an attack he wasn't expecting.

Also this doesn't explain how Galen ripped through Vader's Force defence aand manhandled him with TK.

clearly, Vader wasn't trying to kill him at all.

Both novels outright state Vader was trying to kill Galen with TFU 2 noting Vader was doing "everything in his power" to stop Galen which obviously includes killing him. I can get the quote regarding TFU if needed but right now I don't have the novel on me and don't remember it off the top of my head.

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Ben McKenzie as James Gordon - Gotham (Season 4).

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@mygod101:

Star killer fought Vader who would stomp Mace every day of the week, no Starkiller isn't more powerful than Vader but he is good enough to compete with Vader and give Palpatine a decent fight

Starkiller is vastly more powerful than Vader lmao. He overpowered him while on the verge of death in TFU 2 and stomped him in TFU.

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He's weakened physically meaning his dueling skill is going to suffer......its happened to both Dooku and Vader to suggest it didn't happen to sidious especially when its been emphasized his body is weakening is laughable.

Kek. Just because his body is weakened doesn't mean his duelling skill deteriorated. Given the nature of Force Augmentation and its value in duelling, any negative side effects of DS degradation should be offset. Plus you still haven't provided any evidence Sidious actually physically deteriorated.

As for your respective examples both are false. Vader only decreased in duelling skill due to his massive loss of power and his cybernetics. As for Dooku, I'm not aware of any quotes suggesting Dooku decreased in duelling skill. In fact, he was described as the "consummate" duellist shortly before ROTS IIRC.

How didn't I? I just told you it's absolutely COMICAL to put Galen and Sidious in the same sentence.

That's not an actual rebuttal. That's simply you stating your opinion on Sidious vs Galen and if all your going to refute my claims with is your opinion then I'm afraid we can end this discussion right here. Your reasoning for Mace being better than Galen is their respective performances against Sidious (Sidious and Mace stalemated while Galen overwhelmed by a toying Sidious) but you haven't provided any evidence for either claim and also completely forgot to factor in Sidious's power growth.

As in it's so far off the table it needs no further mentioning; thats like arguing the sky is red and demanding proof it isnt.

In the world of Star Wars debating everything is up for discussion and interpretation. Your opinion and interpretation of the material isn't set in stone fact. Just as an aside the sky being blue isn't set in stone fact either given I could just as easily claim that colour is red, not blue and you have absolutely no evidence to contradict me given "red" and "blue" are just names we use to describe them. I mean people who speak different languages call the colours entirely different things from us yet we don't contradict them. The above thinking follows a similar idea.

I'm just trying to be annoying here. Don't actually address that. My point is that almost nothing is set in stone fact.

If you think otherwise provide me sidious level feats rather than one statement that contradicts the entire tone of the fight.

I don't need to provide Sidious level feats lmao. His performance against Sidious already makes him Sidious level and unless you can provide evidence that he isn't I'll be accepting your concession.

Also, how does the statement contradict the entire tone of the fight? Elaborate, please.

Otherwise you're making blank statements based on conjecture.

Ironic.

You made the claim, provide evidence for it.

Erm, what...? I made the claim that Marek made Sidious desperate to disprove the notion that Sidious was toying with Galen (your original claim). This point stands unless you can provide contradictory evidence which disproves my claim and backs up your original argument. The burden of proof is very much on you to provide evidence, not me. We can add trying to shift the burden of proof to the many logical fallacies you've committed so far.

Than that's your opinion to have, if you think Galan is at all comparable to people who scale to have planet level force feats casually; cool, just don't parade it as fact as it's certainly not.

You're acting as though I said it was a fact when I clearly didn't. My statement was in response to a statement you asked and I clarified for you.

It is, it's just you have a clear problem not being able to comprehend the very first statement made:

I did comprehend it. Why do you think I responded?

Therefore whatever you possibly think is irrelevant to me as you clearly didn't read the response and just jumped in the conversation because I said something bad about your favorite character.

Pulling the bias card... Lovely. As for the underlined section don't you think that's a bit narrow-minded?

I won't be wasting anymore time with you, dismissed.

Now you're running away. Concession accepted.

Mace's duel with sidious is fundamentally superior to anything Galan has ever done just in case you couldn't understand it for the 4th time.

Apparently, you don't even possess basic reading comprehension skills and are unable to comprehend your original statement:

Mace stomps. The way Sidious toyed with Starkiller (the entire time)isn't even comparable to Mace's Duel with him.

This is a clear comparison between their two performances and you saying Mace's was better because of it. You didn't say nothing Starkiller is done is comparable to Mace's performance against Sidious but rather that his performance against Sidious locks him below Mace a notion which I've debunked and is clearly false. Oh well though I probably should have realised after your initial response that I'm not exactly dealing with the brightest crayon in the box.

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@emmafrostxmen:

Mace’s duel with Sidious is more impressive than any of Galen’s dueling feats

While true that's largely because Galen hasn't duelled any high tier duellists like Sidious. I'd argue though that his Force Power could make up for his duelling inferiority.