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@chaos911 said:

Does anybody have the full fight from the comic? Didn't he have a heart attack right after?

He used pills to fake a heart attack. But that fight was so full of PIS I cant really say how he'd do in this gauntlet. I'll say he stops at 4.

Not really PIS. Superman didn't want to kill Batman and Batman was just trying to convince Superman that he died. The armor was really powerful, not PIS.

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Batman with this armor could fight Darkseid he was a pain in the ass and Superman alone can hurt and Defeat darkseid and here he has a armor and Sunlight

That's actually nothing. Read the Superman Rebirth series (the hellbat first appears in Superman (2016) #5. Batman rebuilds the Hellbat without the JL and it's at least at and probably above Kryptonian level. Oh, yeah, and it doesn't take metabolism. It's gotten so OP that it makes Batman one of the strongest DC characters.

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"Superman can hear an ant walking and hear heart beat but he can't hear batman is behind. Once againg your scans with crappy writing don't prove anything other than batman needs crappy writing on his side to take on characters that far outcass him physically."

Just because you don't agree with the out come of a comic fight, or don't like a characters abilities, doesn't inherently mean the writing is not good.

"WW has better feats than aquaman so she is more powerful than him."

Except when push comes to shove and he almost kills her. Once again, I don't care about Aquaman I care about Batman.

"Get that right."

Oh the hostility of Bat haters.
Oh the hostility of Bat haters.

"WW blocks speeding bullets"

True, however:

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Batman can dodge bullets.

"even in her sleep"

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"If I was a dickwad, like the Batman haters, I would say something like [you] needs to get Wonder Woman's strapon out of [your] bum, or that [you] shouldn't be Wonder Womans cuckold. But look at me, not being a dickwad." - Me (2015)

"and can fight blind."

True but irrelevant.

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Batman can do things blind too. Does he get a medal?

What does that have to do with anything?

"She taken hits from characters far stronger than Batman."

Yes, and? Batman can still beat her/ hurt her.

"Batman is not tagging her ever or hurting her unless a writer writes her down to give him a chance."

I think that's true with any character ever. The writer has the ultimate say in the matter.

"So get that right too."

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"Peak humans have broken their hands hitting WW."

The difference is "[Batman's] not wearing hokey pads" he's no ordinary citizen.

"Even some characters with certain level of super human strength have failed at hurting her. So stop reaching batman is a peak human,it doesn't make sense to see him hurting a character that takes massive amount of blunt force damage all the time like WW:'

If that were true I wouldn't be here right now.

"PIS is real. Don't compare crappy writing with real life."

Fine, then let me use a different analogy. Once upon a time, a person used writing as an excuse for the flaws of there characters.

"Many times writers water down a character to favor another character in a fight."

You mean like Hentakia, when they watered down Batman because the author had a raging Batman hate boner.

"Stop reaching. Don'rt deny the facts."

Maybe you shouldn't deny facts, Batman has beating Aquaman 100% of the times they fought, 75% against wonder Woman, not including sparing matches and non canon instances, and is fully capable of beating meta humans with no gear.

"Batman is not a god,"

I'm fully aware of that, my position as a Christian is no secret.

"he is not a super human"

I AGREE.

"he can't hurt a goddess like WW with his punches because she always takes far worse than his hits."

This is were I don't agree, Batman CAN put the hurt on her, because DC isn't a realistic setting. If it was Superman and Martian Manhunter would die because the atmosphere on Earth is different than there home planet, Wonder Woman would die when she touched water because she is clay. Aquaman would die under water, because even if he could breath under water, the pressure would kill him. Slades, Banes, Batman, and most human super humans would die because of the intensity of there work outs. CADMUS would get caught and arrested. Ect.

"Superman can hear an ant walking and hear heart beat but he can't hear batman is behind."

I'm unsure if you read those scans, one of them said he has a gadget to make him sound like nothing. It's moot any ways because Superman can hear "better" than Wonder Woman

Once againg your scans with crappy writing don't prove anything other than batman needs crappy writing on his side to take on characters that far outcass him physically. WW has better feats than aquaman so she is more powerful than him. Get that right. WW blocks speeding bullets even in her sleep and can fight blind. She taken hits from characters far stronger than Batman. Batman is not tagging her ever or hurting her unless a writer writes her down to give him a chance. So get that right too. Peak humans have broken their hands hitting WW. Even some characters with certain level of super human strength have failed at hurting her. So stop reaching batman is a peak human,it doesn't make sense to see him hurting a character that takes massive amount of blunt force damage all the time like WW:

These points are copy pasted, not sure why.

The gadget you are referring to is in JLA (1996-2006) Issue no. 1. In it Superman says "I can't hear your heartbeat" Batman replies with "HH, the gadget works". Also, Batman trained under a guy who used mindfuckery to make people think he was invisible. I think it was Kirigi who did this but I'm not sure. Also, no way Batman can hurt wonder woman w/o tech.

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He is typically top tier along with Luthor as the two smartest humans on the planet.

Morrison's Batman, however, is unequivocally smarter than Luthor. He is terrifyingly smart.

Although this is a bit off topic...I'd like to know which stories people refer to when they speak of the super intelligent Morrison's Batman. Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne and Final Crisis both portray a super genius however Batman: Incorporated does not. What stories by Grant Morrison contain a highly intellectual Batman?

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@wessaari: It's a good book although it is flawed. Coming from someone who has identical opinions to the ones you illustrated, you should read it. There will be things you won't like; But you should still read it. Morrison's lack of application of Batman's inventive mind is quite saddening to many Batman fans, you may get quite mad. However, you will enjoy it. You might get really angry the first time you read it and won't be able to appreciate it's quality. Also, it has many references and ties to many old school Bat stories and the Bat manga that you might enjoy seeing.

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Batman is important to Dick Grayson's life more than his real father ever was. They are best friends and family. Besides, who else could get him a costume as flexible as cloth and more bulletproof than a kevlar vest.

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My unpopular opinions

1. Grant Morrison did the silver age and Batman a great injustice. Basically, he sucked as a Batman writer the majority of the time.

2. Lex Luthor isn't that smart.

3. DKR was an amazing comic book but not the flawless masterpiece sent from Frank Miller, the god of comic books, that is described to be; Instead, It was a good book that was overshadowed by its used toilet paper of a sequel, The Dark Knight Strikes Back.

4. Tim Drake is a crap robin

5. Damian isn't a good character.

6. The Court of Owls isn't a challenging Batman enemy.

7. Kyle Rayner and Connor Hawker are more interesting than their predecessors.

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@area52: Because Batman simply designed it and have had the entire Justice League made it for him. Lex's current Superman's suit is rather impressive maybe not as impressive as Hellbat but still. HOWEVER, I do see their intellect as equal, and let's just keep it that way. If you ask some other ppl, they won't even agree on Batman being close to Lex.

The Justice League didn't make the Hellbat armor. They shot lasers at the old version and the New 52 Supes forged it in the sun. The current version shown on Batman's moon base in Superman: Rebirth was built and lasered (if that's a requirement) all by Batman. It no longer drains metabolism from the user and allows even an unskilled woman like Lois Lane to be able to stay on top of a fight against Eradicator who was powered by other Kryptonians and defeated Superman.

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@lvenger said:

@area52: I'd personally rate Superwoman, Justice League and Cyborg as worse but I agree the Bat Rebirth titles have not been very good aside from a couple of exceptions.

I've stayed away from all those because of how bad I hear they are; I specifically chose those titles because of how many people were telling me that they're amazing when they aren't.

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@speed said:

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How? Batman's Augmentation armor outraced a nuclear missile after it had been launched and then redirected it and survived the explosion. Batman was completely unharmed. He rebuilt red tornado perfectly and built his own Robot Justice League that have the same powers as the real one. Does any of this seem like something GA could outmatch? Batman deflects bullets with his gauntlets like WW and dodges Kryptonian heat vision. He's faster and he's smarter.