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#1 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone knows Arcus1 force is OP

Daisy wins all other rounds though. Could argue for Mia giving her a solid fight, but couldn't really argue for her winning, I don't think

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#2 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@tektonic said:
@arcus1 said:

It was a very fun fight though (I'm expecting to see more of Kuvira in action in the comics)

Have you seen the new issue

I think it's made pretty clear that Korra can put Kuvira in her place anytime if she dares to step out of line. And if at some point Kuvira does in this trilogy(which probably will happen), Korra will step in to personally put her down.

Yeah, I read it

Definitely got a similar vibe in regards to Korra being confident she'd put Kuvira down if needed. In all fairness though, under the conditions in the comic, it'd be Kuvira without any metalbending gear going up against an unrestricted Korra, with potential for all four elements and, should she need it, the Avatar State (not that I think she'd need it, but still). I fully expect some sort of clash between Korra and Kuvira, and unless Kuvira has some sort of environmental/tactical edge, I'd expect Korra to outmatch her. Kuvira's talented enough that she should be able to put up a fight (assuming she has a decent amount of metal to use), but I wouldn't expect Korra to be in real danger of losing if she's not hindered in some way

Round 1 and 2 to Kuvira and round 3 too with only show feats, but Korra would edge it out in the last round with comic feats.

She gets comic feats

@byondeon said:

@katrurius17: How da fuk is Kuvira even winning round 1? Korra is not suffering from PTSD in this fight. She would absolutely demolish Kuvira while at full health.

Imo, Kuvira's got an uphill battle for round 3, but she's definitely a good match for Korra's earth/metal bending (arguably better than her considering it's her specialty), and she's shown the ability to defend against firebending well. It's Korra's airbending that's caused her the biggest problems

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#3 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus1:

That's all fair, and good point on Korra when she went hand to hand. Keep in mind that Korra wasn't trying to kill Kuvira either, so she was probably not willing to use any lethal techniques. Obviously Korra would have better options in fights too sometimes, and that's one time as well. However I do think it's important to note that what Kuvira did when she encased her in metal and knocked her to the ground happened in the beginning of the fight, and frankly I think this is exactly how the fight should've logically ended, cause a metalbender is broken in there. I can't think of any way Korra would've countered this move if Kuvira was smarter about it. The fight would've been over there.

I think it helps to keep in mind that benders aren't just manipulating their elements with their thoughts. A bending battle is essentially a fancy martial arts fight, and the moves that get used are limited by the bender's skillset and the techniques they can reasonably accomplish/the techniques they choose to use in that fight (ie-it's not just the moves they know how to do, it's the moves they know well enough to use in the heat of a battle where they can't afford to make mistakes or spend too much time thinking)

Well yeah that's the thing, we've seen Kuvira in the heat of the battle and she can do more than what she did IMO. I mean, who has their opponent down for over a second and goes for a slow move instead of quick one-shot - which mind you is very IC for Kuvira too? I think the writers just slipped there in an effort to have Korra match her in this environment. Another way to explain would be that this was one of the times where Kuvira just made a mistake, after all that's why we use the 1-10 score for battles. Maybe that's one of the 10 scenarios where Kuvira doesn't win, regardless of who should win the majority of times.

We should agree to disagree on the main point, I get where you're coming from though, and I think the writers did intent for Korra to be able to match Kuvira, I just think it was poorly executed from a logical perspective. Great sequence anyway lol.

Kuvira was actively bending the metal used to keep Korra on the ceiling (which would have helped counter attempts from Korra to break free), and, imo, it's entirely possible that if she split her focus to bend a different piece of metal for another attack, she would have just given Korra an opening to break free

Theoretically, something like fire breath (or an airbending breath blast, which Korra technically hasn't used but we know is a possible move) could deflect quick shards of metal

Ultimately, yeah, there's a certain subjective nature to this that is never gonna be debated away. There's so many possible variables at play, it could have gone down any number of ways. It was a very fun fight though (I'm expecting to see more of Kuvira in action in the comics)

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#4 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@byondeon said:

Korra wins all rounds. She has already shown she is more proficient than her in Earth/Metal when at full power

While Korra has better feats of pure earthbending, I think Kuvira should be pretty close to her based on the precision and proficiency she showed in her first fight with Korra (I'd still argue for Korra being better than Kuvira in basic earthbending, due in no small part to the significantly greater quantity of Korra's feats), but Kuvira's a master in her own right. As far as metalbending, Korra hasn't shown Kuvira's level of proficiency and tactical ability

Kuvira takes R1 & R2

Korra takes R3 by slight margin.

@geekryan said:

Kuvira takes R1 and R2 by a slight majority.

Korra takes R3.

Any reasons?

Which round do you think is the closest?

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#5 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus1:

As for ragdolling Korra when she had her on the ceiling, maybe attempting to use another, separate attack would have given Korra time to break out of the metalbending hold, so instead of giving her that chance she took what she knew she could get. Repositioning herself to use another attack could have also weakened her hold on Korra more (ie, if she wasn't actively bending the metal to hold Korra, it would have been easier for Korra to break free)

Maybe... I guess. But Idk man, Kuvira legitimately looked like she forgot how to fight in there. Even after she ragdolled her and knocked her down she had more than a whole second to attack her and instead of just throwing a metal strip at a moment's notice she takes the time to pick up the meteorites and use them to attack her instead.

I wouldn't mind if it was a legitimate way they had Korra match her in such an advantageous (to Kuvira) environment, but the way they did screams PIS to me. Kuvira's smarter than what she did in there. Look at her insane combined speed and use of the environment and gear when she fought Su, completely different. I understand that it's hard to make it look believable that she can match a metalbender of Kuvira's caliber in what is a metalic case basically, but I don't think it works by battle forum standards.

As for your other points,

For that matter, could ask things like, why did Korra throw Kuvira h2h when she had her knocked down instead of using a more damaging bending attack? Or, when Korra redirected the meteor Kuvira used, why didn't she make it a sharp attack to stab or slice Kuvira?

Korra isn't that amazing a metalbender, the fact that she could even redirect a master's attack like that should be enough of a challenge - and an accomplishment - alone. And I think the fact that Korra went h2h in the middle of a bending battle is what gave her that opening, cause it's pretty unorthodox.

We could pick the fight apart all day, and we could do the same thing to basically every other fight in the series. If she had just used a metal strip, for example, Korra might have still dodged it, or the hit might have been ineffective and you could ask "why didn't Kuvira use an attack that would have been more damaging (like the meteors would have been)?"

Korra essentially adapted waterbending techniques to redirect Kuvira's metalbending attack (redirecting attacks is the essence of waterbending, and it was in a liquid form), and yeah, it's a great feat for Korra. But considering she was more or less using waterbending techniques, it wouldn't be far fetched at all, imo, for her to use the metal to slice like how waterbenders use water

As for Korra going h2h to get an opening, she had Kuvira knocked down before choosing to go h2h

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First, she blasts through Kuvira's shield to knock her down once. Then (dodging what I assume is the metal Kuvira was using bouncing back towards her), she goes for a h2h throw instead of a follow up bending attack. Then again, after throwing her, she knocks Kuvira up with metalbending (in theory, she could have potentially used a more damaging attack than that)

Point being, if we pick apart how Kuvira fought, we could do the same for Korra, or we could do that for any number of other fights.

I think it helps to keep in mind that benders aren't just manipulating their elements with their thoughts. A bending battle is essentially a fancy martial arts fight, and the moves that get used are limited by the bender's skillset and the techniques they can reasonably accomplish/the techniques they choose to use in that fight (ie-it's not just the moves they know how to do, it's the moves they know well enough to use in the heat of a battle where they can't afford to make mistakes or spend too much time thinking)

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#6 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus1 said:
@anthp2000 said:

Kuvira takes the first 2 rounds for sure. The fact that there's no more metal in this area and Korra's skill in airbending makes the third one tricky, it could go either way.

Imo, I don't see Korra losing round 3. She was at least even with Kuvira, if not winning, in the finale fight, which was just air/fire/metal (no pure earth), and Korra's better with pure earth than with metal (by feats, she's a better raw earthbender than Kuvira, though I think they should be closer than the disparity in pure earthbending feats would indicate). If Korra can match her so well in a metal cockpit, she should be able to do even better in an environment that doesn't strongly favor metalbending

Maybe that's how they'd write it, idk, I'm not convinced either way due to my thoughts on that finale fight. I feel like we've briefly discussed it before? I can't take that seriously, Kuvira should have won pretty solidly. She tagged Korra and grounded her several times, she could easily just restrain her with the metal or use quickdraw moves like her metal strips. We literally see her incapacitating Korra on the celling and what does she do? She just ragdolls her and knocks her down, even breaking her out of it... Why not just stab her with a blade while she's restrained? We know how good a metalbender she is, and she's more than smart enough to go for it, I can't think of any good reason besides PIS (or YTV maybe) that this didn't happen.

For that matter, could ask things like, why did Korra throw Kuvira h2h when she had her knocked down instead of using a more damaging bending attack? Or, when Korra redirected the meteor Kuvira used, why didn't she make it a sharp attack to stab or slice Kuvira?

Kuvira tried using metal strips, they weren't working (Korra was dodging/blocking). Iirc Kuvira only tagged Korra a couple times (her combo on the ceiling and then once towards the end when they both tagged each other)

As for ragdolling Korra when she had her on the ceiling, maybe attempting to use another, separate attack would have given Korra time to break out of the metalbending hold, so instead of giving her that chance she took what she knew she could get. Repositioning herself to use another attack could have also weakened her hold on Korra more (ie, if she wasn't actively bending the metal to hold Korra, it would have been easier for Korra to break free)

Obviously, we could debate endlessly about what could have happened or other possible strategies they could have used, but I didn't see any real PIS that would discount the fight. Seemed pretty clear that the writers wanted Korra to be at least a match for Kuvira, even in that environment (and I don't have a problem with a fully realized, healthy Avatar being a match for Kuvira, as talented as she is)

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#7 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

Kuvira takes the first 2 rounds for sure. The fact that there's no more metal in this area and Korra's skill in airbending makes the third one tricky, it could go either way.

Imo, I don't see Korra losing round 3. She was at least even with Kuvira, if not winning, in the finale fight, which was just air/fire/metal (no pure earth), and Korra's better with pure earth than with metal (by feats, she's a better raw earthbender than Kuvira, though I think they should be closer than the disparity in pure earthbending feats would indicate). If Korra can match her so well in a metal cockpit, she should be able to do even better in an environment that doesn't strongly favor metalbending

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#8 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio
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When the Avatar takes on the Earth Emperor in a rematch, who will win?

Korra is completely healthy for this fight. She is in character

No Avatar State

Fight takes place at the site of Korra and Kuvira's first fight. Kuvira has her armor, no other metal

Same conditions as the first fight (except, of course, that Korra isn't still recovering)

Victory by ko

Round 1:

Korra has earth/metal bending only

Round 2:

Korra can use earth and fire

Round 3:

Korra can use earth, fire, and air (basically, exactly like the initial fight, except with no health limitations)

Who wins?

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#9 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

Gonna bump this with some comic feats for Korra

Airbending:

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Skillfully catches both herself and Asami in an air bubble to counter their fall
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Taking out 2 firebenders in one move
Taking out a waterbender with an airspout attack
Taking out a waterbender with an airspout attack
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Engaging an Earth Empire mech, they were fighting off panel between these two shots, and I believe this is the same mech she trapped with metalbending (see that section), but it's not entirely clear, so make of it what you will
Using the air scooter to keep pace with a motorcycle
Using the air scooter to keep pace with a motorcycle
Knocking Tokuga away with a non-linear attack (instead of just shooting a blast of air at him, she controlled the air from a different direction, making it more notable, imo). She then creates air bubbles for herself and Asami, which she maintains while doing other stuff
Knocking Tokuga away with a non-linear attack (instead of just shooting a blast of air at him, she controlled the air from a different direction, making it more notable, imo). She then creates air bubbles for herself and Asami, which she maintains while doing other stuff
Dodging Tokuga's attack (from behind her) and tagging him with an air blast
Dodging Tokuga's attack (from behind her) and tagging him with an air blast

Earthbending/Metalbending:

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Countering an earthbender's attack and sending him flying
Redirecting attacks from multiple earthbenders
Redirecting attacks from multiple earthbenders
Taking down an Earth Empire mech with metalbending
Taking down an Earth Empire mech with metalbending
Trapping Tokuga
Trapping Tokuga

Waterbending:

Flash freezing a firebender. While there was another waterbender present who had just attacked Asami, that waterbender was only carrying a water pouch, which wouldn't be enough water to complete a whole flash freeze like this. Thus, it would seem that Korra was drawing water from the plants (or perhaps the atmosphere)
Flash freezing a firebender. While there was another waterbender present who had just attacked Asami, that waterbender was only carrying a water pouch, which wouldn't be enough water to complete a whole flash freeze like this. Thus, it would seem that Korra was drawing water from the plants (or perhaps the atmosphere)

Firebending

Showcasing precision by slicing the vines trapping Ikki without burning her
Showcasing precision by slicing the vines trapping Ikki without burning her
Using the classing breakdancing move to keep vines at bay
Using the classing breakdancing move to keep vines at bay

Ruins of the Empire Part 1 didn't have any particularly notable feats for her, but as the comics continue I'll be sure to add feats

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#10 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

Gonna give this a bump