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Was LOK bending just "chucking the elements?"

When comparing ATLA and LOK, critics of LOK often claim that, while bending in ATLA was incredibly intricate and complex, bending in LOK was overly simplified and simply benders "chucking the elements." While I can see how people might have started to get that idea from pro-bending, I believe that by the end of the series this idea should have been put to rest.

However, it seems that the idea that LOK bending is incredibly inferior to ATLA seems to have perpetuated. In this blog I'd like to do what I can to disprove that idea.

I'll be doing entries for all the elements.

Fire

First, firebending. LOK firebending's often accused of just being like kickboxing, all punches and nothing else. However there's some things wrong with this criticism.

First, firebending in ATLA involved plenty of punches and direct attacks.

As a few examples, there's plenty more:

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It's not all fire whips and overly complex moves.

It's also incorrect to think that firebenders in LOK didn't have any fancier moves:

Fire Shields:

Both Mako and Korra (the two main firebenders in LOK) showed the ability to effectively use firebending to defend against other elements, mainly waterbending.

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I actually really like this move
I actually really like this move

Fire Jets:

Azula's often praised for her use of fire jets, but Mako and Korra have both done the same thing repeatedly for enhanced mobility and maneuverability in combat.

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Fire Blades:

Remember the fire daggers Zuko used in his first fight against Azula? They've got them in LOK too. Let's be honest, it was never particularly useful in combat, but it looks cool.

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Breakdance:

Zuko's breakdance move? LOK's got it too.

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Random:

Just some random other moves that show firebenders doing things like ATLA, or doing things other than just punching fire.

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I hope this was somewhat interesting and gets some discussion.

I'll be adding to this blog with sections for earth, water, and air as well. I just figured I'd start with fire.

Feel free to start discussing any of the elements-whether you agree/disagree with me, etc.

Any discussion would be helpful for me in writing up the sections on the other elements-so I know what kinds of things to try to include, etc. Also if there's anything to maybe be added to the fire section.

Earthbending:

Next element up for discussion: earthbending.

When comparing ATLA and LOK earthbending, it is a bit easier to see some differences, and not acknowledging those would be a mistake. The prevalence of multiple subelements for earthbending (metalbending and lavabending) certainly added a new, more fluid aspect to earthbending. By the end of the series, all of the notable earthbenders in LOK also had a subelement, thus impacting their style and resulting in differences when compared to the pure earthbenders of ATLA. Probending also introduced some style changes to earthbending (though perhaps not as significant as it might appear at first), these being most notably exhibited by Bolin.

The Problem of Probending:

LOK probending sometimes gets criticized for supposedly changing too much about earthbending. Critics often cite Toph telling Aang that the key to earthbending was a firm stance, while Bolin told Korra that she needed a looser stance.

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However, the rest of Bolin's advice to Korra is often overlooked. He's not saying a strong stance isn't important. He's saying that she needs to wait for the right moment to take that stance and strike.

Now, what does that sound like?

"Well, technically, there are eighty-five, but let's just focus on the third. Neutral jing is the key to earthbending. It involves listening and waiting for the right moment to strike."-King Bumi

Sounds an awful lot like neutral jing. The only difference in probending is that earthbenders stay fluid and in motion during the waiting and listening part.

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"Earthbenders, they step, a stone jumps out of the ground, they smack it, and WHAM, it goes flying."

This step, smack routine is a central element of Hung Gar style earthbending. And guess what? It's present in probending too.

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As a final note: when Toph instructed Aang on his stance, she was teaching him to earthbend for the first time. Bolin, however, was teaching Korra how to modify her bendng style. Korra already knew how to earthbend, she already knew how to have a strong stance. We've seen Bumi, Aang, and Toph earthbend without being firmly rooted to the ground-while it's important for learning to earthbend, they're clear examples that earthbenders can modify their style to be less rooted. That's what probenders like Bolin do.

There's also the problem of comparing LOK earthbenders to Toph. When compared, it's very clear that Toph's style is different from the style of LOK earthbenders. Simply from that, it might be easy to assume that, because of this, something about LOK earthbending was changed. But really, it's the opposite. Toph is supposed to have a different style, even from other ATLA earthbenders. While most earthbending is based on the Hung Gar style of Kung Fu, Toph's bending was based on Praying Mantis style. Her moves are intentionally unique, and LOK earthbenders are not supposed to mirror her style. Rather, they have more in common with the Hung Gar style used by earthbenders like King Bumi.

OK, on to a bending comparison. Usually LOK earthbenders get accused of just throwing rocks, sorta like firebending, rather than showing all the versatility of ATLA earthbenders. Sure, probending encourages a looser, more firebending-esque style of earthbending, so I can see where that idea would come in. But it's not like ATLA earthbenders never launched rocks at each other.

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It would also be incorrect to say that LOK earthbenders never do anything except chuck rocks at each other.

Earth Pillars/launching:

Using earthbending to launch things or people into the air

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Earth Trapping:

Using the earth to trap people, by sinking them or encasing them

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Earth Shields:

Fairly self explanatory

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This would include the earth shield to attack maneuver

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Earth Waves:

Wasn't really sure what to call this, but basically uprooting the earth or making a wave to knock opponents off balance

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Earth Projections:

Bringing the earth up to strike an opponent

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Earth Jump:

Using earthbending to propel yourself into the air

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Stomp and Kick:

Just as described in the Avatar: Creating the Legend video on earthbending

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Random:

Just some random, not chucking earth stuff

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Of course those are hardly the only examples, merely some examples.

Airbending:

In ATLA, Aang was the only airbender, and he was a high-caliber, native born airbender who used it as his primary element. In LOK, there's quite a few more airbenders, which naturally is going to result in more differences in use and technique. This can make airbending in LOK seem very different from ATLA, and in a sense it is. However, had there been more airbenders in ATLA, it seems very reasonable that we would have seen more differences in style, as is the case with the other elements.

Usually people don't seem to have too much of a problem with Tenzin or his kids' airbending. When it comes to Zaheer, his style is certainly different from more traditional airbending, but that was done intentionally. Zaheer wasn't meant to be a master airbender or even a classically trained one. Rather, he was supposed to be a master martial artist who knew enough about airbending to use it as a weapon, modifying it's use to fit his style of fighting-not the other way around. So while his technique is fairly unorthodox, it seems to be fairly well accepted.

The problem usually comes with Korra's airbending. People claim that she just uses it like firebending or the other elements, being too direct and aggressive. And, to be fair, there are some good reasons for that. Her first showing of airbending against Amon was just her punching air blasts.

In defense of her airbending against Amon-that was Korra's first time airbending, she was't supposed to have mastered it yet. In the heat of the moment she needed a quick, direct offense, and it makes sense that she would resort to more firebending-ish moves. So while I can see why people wouldn't like it, it's understandable imo.

However, before we go on, I think it's important to realize that LOK isn't the first time airbending and firebending have had similar moves. If you've got a problem with these similarities, the blame should really go back to book 1 of ATLA.

The similarities are pretty evident in Zuko and Aang's fights.

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Aang used direct attacks long before Korra.

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Honestly Aang's airbending against Azula during Black Sun is every bit as direct and linear as anything Korra's ever done, maybe even more so
Honestly Aang's airbending against Azula during Black Sun is every bit as direct and linear as anything Korra's ever done, maybe even more so
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Nor is Korra limited to simply punching air. I think people sometimes miss Korra exhibiting a variety of airbending techniques or the philosophies of airbending into her fighting style.

Air Spouts:

Much like her water spouts, Korra is capable of forming air spouts for maneuverability and combat purposes. This is an advanced move even Aang never showed until the comics.

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Airbending Agility:

Using airbending techniques to avoid attacks or using airbending to augment agility

Even in book 1, before she could actually airbend, Korra could dodge like an airbender. Notice she moves exactly like Tenzin
Even in book 1, before she could actually airbend, Korra could dodge like an airbender. Notice she moves exactly like Tenzin
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Defensive Airbending:

Korra can and does use airbending for more than just offense.

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Non-straightforward Attacks:

Korra is not limited to straightforward air blasts when using airbending in battle

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Spiral Movements:

"The Ba Gua fighters are known for moving in a circle, constantly spinning back and forth."

While Korra's fighting style doesn't emphasize avoidance and evasion as much as Aang's, she can clearly be seen incorporating the circular movements of Ba Gua (the martial art that serves as a basis for airbending) into combat.

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She's moving in a circle, finding the right angle to attack from. Is it purely airbending? No. It's incorporating the offensive nature of firebending, maintaining offense while circling. She's combining the elements, like an Avatar should.
She's moving in a circle, finding the right angle to attack from. Is it purely airbending? No. It's incorporating the offensive nature of firebending, maintaining offense while circling. She's combining the elements, like an Avatar should.

Random:

Just some random showings of versatility or other things.

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Comparing Korra and Tenzin
Comparing Korra and Tenzin

Hope that's good for some discussion

Waterbending

Finally got around to finishing this.

LOK has no shortage of exceptionally skilled waterbenders, but even still it can be the subject of criticism, usually for being too direct or aggressive or...something.

Sure, waterbenidng's based on Tai Chi, softness and breath, I get all that. But it's not like ATLA waterbenders were never direct or aggressive

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Water is the element of change. It's versatile, and it is not, nor should it be, always soft and gentle.

Nor were LOK benders limited to simply chucking water, kickboxing, etc. There was plenty of versatility straight from ATLA

Redirection:

One of the central principles of waterbending is using your opponent's attack against them, redirecting defense into offense. LOK waterbenders do this all the time

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Water Arms:

Katara demonstrated this technique rather frequently, and it's just as common in LOK

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To those who say Korra has no skill, I give you: the exact move Katara used to get the upper hand on Azula in the Catacombs
To those who say Korra has no skill, I give you: the exact move Katara used to get the upper hand on Azula in the Catacombs
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And do I really need to post gifs of Ming Hua?

Octopus Form:

This gets brought up a lot, I'm not entirely sure why. Aang and Katara each used it once, and never for actual fighting. It wasn't a particularly useful move.

Ming Hua, however, took the octopus form, modified it, and made it extremely effective, more than Aang or Katara ever did

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Waterspouts:

Pakku was the only waterbender to really make use of waterspouts in ATLA. Korra does it often enough to practically be her signature move. Unalaq used the move as well

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Water Transport:

In ATLA, Katara used water surfing, ice ramps, and more to transport herself and others with waterbending. LOK has all of that too

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Freeze:

Pretty straightforward, freezing an opponent: either a total flash freeze or just a partial freeze

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May come back and add more, but this'll do for now. Let me know what you think

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@arcus: Hmm. You have a good point. I would say though I liked the way it was done in TLA better.

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@arcus: Hmm. You have a good point. I would say though I liked the way it was done in TLA better.

what'd you see as the differences?

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@arcus: The use of it. In LOK they used it much like a mutant and less like it were fluid. Each element seemed to lose it's meaning and became an element only. Wind became brutish. Earth became flexible. Water became forcefull. And fire just seemed to get lost.

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My only problem is the fact that Tenzin didn't feel the need to PROPERLY train Korra airbending. She still did it like she was bending fir or Earth; stiff, head strong, and no fluidness. Its like Tenzin didn't give a sh*t about her technique.

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@arcus: The use of it. In LOK they used it much like a mutant and less like it were fluid. Each element seemed to lose it's meaning and became an element only. Wind became brutish. Earth became flexible. Water became forcefull. And fire just seemed to get lost.

There was plenty of times airbending or waterbending were used forcefully. Earthbending became more flexible largely because of the introduction of metalbending or lavabending, which makes sense. Fire didn't receive the same emphasis as ATLA, where all the main villains were firebenders, sure, but it got a lot of focus in ATLA

My only problem is the fact that Tenzin didn't feel the need to PROPERLY train Korra airbending. She still did it like she was bending fir or Earth; stiff, head strong, and no fluidness. Its like Tenzin didn't give a sh*t about her technique.

I'll have a section on that later, but she's got more technique than people give her credit for. You just gotta look past her first showing of airbending

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I don't think it's that simple. The thing is AtLA had an ancient-asia style to it, and much like real life they made the perfect techniques and followed them, and they worked. LoK being set in a more late 1900s Chicago style had the benders simply moving from these beautiful complex techniques into more of a streetfighting style.

I probably explained this really shittily but hopefully someone understands the point I'm trying to make. Time and culture change = change in the style of fighting, but not necessarily as people say "chucking the elements"

Also you forgot another display of Zuko's breakdancing in LoK (which is by far my favourite move):

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Obviously Bolin being an earthbender it isn't exactly the same, but hey its close enough for me.

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@arcus: Plenty yes, but they were used in a specific way. There was something different. They seemed more in tune with it and less just controlling it. Yeah, I was kind of annoyed most villains were firebenders and most firebenders were villains (I had little scenarios which totally screwed with the ATLA universe as well as LOK) I found them to be perfect targets for those miniature mind fanfics that destroy their universe.

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Interesting.

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@pipxeroth: yeah, that was nice. Didn't use it since it wasn't firebending, but still cool

@arcus: Plenty yes, but they were used in a specific way. There was something different. They seemed more in tune with it and less just controlling it. Yeah, I was kind of annoyed most villains were firebenders and most firebenders were villains (I had little scenarios which totally screwed with the ATLA universe as well as LOK) I found them to be perfect targets for those miniature mind fanfics that destroy their universe.

Honestly, I think part of the reason ATLA bending might seem different from LOK bending comes down to the fact that ATLA came first, so everything about bending was new and unique. When LOK came around, it had to follow in ATLA's footsteps, and bending wasn't as unique anymore (cause it wasn't new)

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@arcus: No, them it would be the same. They tried something different and it didn't follow ATLA. I watched it all fairly quickly so it wasn't because ATLA was first. The more fluid movement of water bending and airbending in ATLA was different from the more aggresive bending in LOK. Just like the metal bending was more like water bending and fire bending I still don't know. There isn't anything wrong with it, I just like the way it was done in ATLA better.

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@arcus: No, them it would be the same. They tried something different and it didn't follow ATLA. I watched it all fairly quickly so it wasn't because ATLA was first. The more fluid movement of water bending and airbending in ATLA was different from the more aggresive bending in LOK. Just like the metal bending was more like water bending and fire bending I still don't know. There isn't anything wrong with it, I just like the way it was done in ATLA better.

I guess in ATLA there was also a lot more time for non-combat bending, which would obviously be less aggressive, while most of the bending in LOK was in combat.

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@arcus: That might be it. Which would explain the more natural use of it in everyday things unlike the more violent use of it in LOK. Anyway, gotta go! See (not really but sort of) you later!

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@arcus: That might be it. Which would explain the more natural use of it in everyday things unlike the more violent use of it in LOK. Anyway, gotta go! See (not really but sort of) you later!

I think that's a factor that's easy to overlook but would explain a lot.

lol see ya

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Don't tag me bro, please. This is like the 4rth time lol.

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Don't tag me bro, please. This is like the 4rth time lol.

sorry

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Hmm, I dunno. Maybe with the 4 basic elements. But they invented some totally new stuff (lava bending for example) and it showed how all-round and amazing metalbending can be. Then again, I found metalbending to be sort of over taking regular earth bending, especially since now 'EVERYONE' could do it with ease.

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@cpt_nice said:

Hmm, I dunno. Maybe with the 4 basic elements. But they invented some totally new stuff (lava bending for example) and it showed how all-round and amazing metalbending can be. Then again, I found metalbending to be sort of over taking regular earth bending, especially since now 'EVERYONE' could do it with ease.

I agree. The Earth Kingdom always had lagged behind the Fire Nation because of the latter's ability to forge metal superiorly, but metal bending changed that, so it became a major necessity.

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This is the first time I've heard of it. Though I must admit I agree with that original criticism to an extent, or at least what Pipxeroth said. LOK changed the bending style because of different times, culture, technology and society where new forms of bending needed to be used. And honestly the finesse and technique of ATLA bending just isn't as prevalent as the action packed but still more rudimentary LOK style. Nice work on your defence though, maybe you can give more good examples in support of it.

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@lvenger said:

This is the first time I've heard of it. Though I must admit I agree with that original criticism to an extent, or at least what Pipxeroth said. LOK changed the bending style because of different times, culture, technology and society where new forms of bending needed to be used. And honestly the finesse and technique of ATLA bending just isn't as prevalent as the action packed but still more rudimentary LOK style. Nice work on your defence though, maybe you can give more good examples in support of it.

What do you think made it different?

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Lok of Korea was based around modern less fluid fighting techniques, Loa is based around earlier styles.

The former doesn't look as impressive but is more efficient which is why it's used today in fights where all forms are allowed.

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@arcus: The modern and more direct approach LOK took to the bending fights compared with the fluid precision of ATLA's use of elemental bending for starters.

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@lvenger said:

@arcus: The modern and more direct approach LOK took to the bending fights compared with the fluid precision of ATLA's use of elemental bending for starters.

But how was it different? What made ATLA more fluid and precise and LOK more modern/direct?

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I don't think it's that simple. The thing is AtLA had an ancient-asia style to it, and much like real life they made the perfect techniques and followed them, and they worked. LoK being set in a more late 1900s Chicago style had the benders simply moving from these beautiful complex techniques into more of a streetfighting style.

I probably explained this really shittily but hopefully someone understands the point I'm trying to make. Time and culture change = change in the style of fighting, but not necessarily as people say "chucking the elements"

Also you forgot another display of Zuko's breakdancing in LoK (which is by far my favourite move):

Obviously Bolin being an earthbender it isn't exactly the same, but hey its close enough for me.

Makes a lot of sense

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I like it you should do one for all elements

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I like it you should do one for all elements

I will, I'm gonna add to this one. I just figured I'd start with one element and see what people had to say before finishing with the others

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@arcus: I'll get to it, glad you tagged my.

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Great read so far

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@arcus: Nice job! You're explaining a good bit

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You are making me do the debating equivalent of running into a wall over and over until I die of brain damage.

I'll pass.

By the way, that only applies to Korra. Beings like Amon, Tenzin and to a smaller extent Kuvira and Zaheer (and the Red Lotus members) are incredible fighters and they deserve credit for their abilities.

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I agree with your view on the lack of airbenders in TLA. Maybe if we got more of them, we would have seen more styles.

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You are making me do the debating equivalent of running into a wall over and over until I die of brain damage.

I'll pass.

By the way, that only applies to Korra. Beings like Amon, Tenzin and to a smaller extent Kuvira and Zaheer (and the Red Lotus members) are incredible fighters and they deserve credit for their abilities.

If you disagree with me, feel free to explain why. That's what this is for.

Do the examples I posted show them just "chucking the elements" like firebending?

What makes them so different from bending in ATLA?

If it's so common, shouldn't be too hard to discredit what I'm writing

I know you didn't want me to post gifs (at least that's what you said at first), but showing examples seems like the most logical way to discuss this to me.

I agree with your view on the lack of airbenders in TLA. Maybe if we got more of them, we would have seen more styles.

Seems logical to me

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@arcus: Regarding this topic, I don't - it's actually pretty well represented. I only have issues with Korra's MO in combat, which is a completely different issue.

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@arcus: Cool! I'll Check it out soon!

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This is a good read for anyone who wants to learn more and get better with Avatar/LoK series. There are enough detailed examination of the 'bending' as a basis of discussion or interpretation. The constant stream of showings is one of the best ways to make a point (hands down), but accompanying it with explanation for a specific direction makes it more relevant. Although different perspectives are critical when constructing a point of debate, I hope this will improve the quality of debate and/or how it's perceived for Avatar/LoK in Vine.

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@arcus: Regarding this topic, I don't - it's actually pretty well represented. I only have issues with Korra's MO in combat, which is a completely different issue.

ok, cool. I remember discussing this topic earlier (I think), but the discussion kinda dropped off.

Yeah that's another matter

This is a good read for anyone who wants to learn more and get better with Avatar/LoK series. There are enough detailed examination of the 'bending' as a basis of discussion or interpretation. The constant stream of showings is one of the best ways to make a point (hands down), but accompanying it with explanation for a specific direction makes it more relevant. Although different perspectives are critical when constructing a point of debate, I hope this will improve the quality of debate and/or how it's perceived for Avatar/LoK in Vine.

Thanks man

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I don't think it's that simple. The thing is AtLA had an ancient-asia style to it, and much like real life they made the perfect techniques and followed them, and they worked. LoK being set in a more late 1900s Chicago style had the benders simply moving from these beautiful complex techniques into more of a streetfighting style.

I probably explained this really shittily but hopefully someone understands the point I'm trying to make. Time and culture change = change in the style of fighting, but not necessarily as people say "chucking the elements"

Also you forgot another display of Zuko's breakdancing in LoK (which is by far my favourite move):

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Obviously Bolin being an earthbender it isn't exactly the same, but hey its close enough for me.

Ya this. ATLA fighting was martial arts and old ways of bending LOK was street or modernized fighting.

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@pipxeroth said:

I don't think it's that simple. The thing is AtLA had an ancient-asia style to it, and much like real life they made the perfect techniques and followed them, and they worked. LoK being set in a more late 1900s Chicago style had the benders simply moving from these beautiful complex techniques into more of a streetfighting style.

I probably explained this really shittily but hopefully someone understands the point I'm trying to make. Time and culture change = change in the style of fighting, but not necessarily as people say "chucking the elements"

Also you forgot another display of Zuko's breakdancing in LoK (which is by far my favourite move):

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Obviously Bolin being an earthbender it isn't exactly the same, but hey its close enough for me.

Ya this. ATLA fighting was martial arts and old ways of bending LOK was street or modernized fighting.

See I don't think it's that black and white. While some benders in LOK may have been modernized, it doesn't apply to all LOK benders in general, nor does it mean that even the benders who may use somewhat more modern styles don't use anything more traditional.

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Bolin and Mako used more of a mix of modern bending with a mix of some of the older forms , Bolin was too fluid in his earthbending , he reminded me of a young toph

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Bolin and Mako used more of a mix of modern bending with a mix of some of the older forms , Bolin was too fluid in his earthbending , he reminded me of a young toph

Yeah Bolin and Mako use probably the most modernized style, which makes sense since their training was the least traditional.

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Great Collection and well done.

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Great Collection and well done.

Thanks. Still gonna have a waterbending section

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Remove me from this, I am not of the opinion that all benders in LOK are two dimensional fighters.

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Remove me from this, I am not of the opinion that all benders in LOK are two dimensional fighters.

I had you on my Avatar callout list, but I will remove you

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Nah, LOK had some legit bending.

However, I wish there was more H2H and weapons in the show...

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