Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Secret Wars II) Respect Thread

This is a modest compilation of showings that I put together from an opener in a headache-inducing CaV I did last year. I'm aware there are a few other compilations of feats for this character but (and no offense to anyone else) I think this is a comprehensive and easy-to-understand one in order to gauge the character's power without being too overly cluttered. Personally it's one of my favorite CaV openers that I've put together so I wanted to post it in isolation here.

Beyonder:

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Biography:

The man, the myth, the legend. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally uncontested by any other being with very few exceptions. PR Beyonder is arguably the face of nigh-omnipotent characters on Comicvine, and there is good reason for it. But who exactly is he?

Well, Beyonder is basically a plot device given character and form. You know how people like to frame their tourneys with that scenario, "an all-powerful being decided to make these characters fight against each other for amusement"? That's Beyonder in a nutshell. His first appearance was in Secret Wars, where he wiped clean a galaxy to make room for Battleworld, forcing the characters of the Marvel universe to fight against one another. He didn't get a human body or character development until Secret Wars II, which is the comic where most of his feats come from. And there, he is so close to omnipotent that most of the time it is pretty damn hard to distinguish him from TOAA.

Beyonder basically exists to screw with the existing Marvel power structure, and a lot of Secret Wars II is played for comedy, mocking the idea of abstract beings and the conceptual scale that a lot of uber-powerful characters operate on. He actually spent a whole chapter sitting completely still on a rock pondering his own existence while Mephisto attacked him, and he barely even noticed. Believe it or not, despite his absurd power, Beyonder is not a Marvel abstract or deity, nor a god in any form. He's simply a being from outside the multiverse who showed up one day and decided to mess about for a while.

Different writers have modified the character of Beyonder and retconned his history a lot, making him seem much weaker in retrospect, which is why people generally refer to pre-retcon Beyonder as the most powerful iteration. This is basically representative of the character's original scale, origin and power when he was introduced for the original Secret Wars story arc in the 80s.

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The Beyonder is basically a being comprised of pure energy. He is the personification of the Beyond- the space existing outside the multiverse- given form, and in his original state, in his original space, he was simply all that was, without consciousness, form or any sense of discontinuity. The black-haired man that represents the Beyonder is simply a non-powered human body that he created to reside in on Earth, and he does not need it to survive or exist. In fact, his normal human body, when not amped by his power, has been crippled from falling off a building, hurt by small bombs and got mauled by Wolverine. His power does not exist through any mortal body at all nor is it channeled that way, so destroying the man will not destroy the Beyonder, especially since he could instantaneously build himself a new body as soon as he wanted.

Beyonder's powerset basically consists of near-omnipotent reality warping in any conceivable form. His power is seemingly infinite so essentially anything he can imagine, he can do. The fundamental forces of the universe basically have no impact on him unless he wants them to.

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Beyonder ponders his existence by thinking about the minds he's read across the world, while taking a drive in a flying car he created, while making lunch in a Cuisnart that he also created.

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Beyonder wills matter into existence and can simply will things to occur.

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Death is of zero consequence to Beyonder. As is gender, incidentally. Beyonder is actually pretty progressive lol.

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Time is also of no consequence to Beyonder. He can instantly cause a single person to age, and he can peer into the time stream and pull people out of it effortlessly.

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Beyonder effortlessly and instantaneously asserts his will on not only every human being on Earth, but in fact everything, period, right down to the atomic structure of matter itself. I.E. Beyonder can literally control everything.

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Beyonder has selective omniscience. He can know anything he wants simply by willing to know it. The only reason he does not immediately know and understand everything that exists is because he wants to learn firsthand about desire and the human condition through firsthand experience. If he wanted or needed to know everything about an opponent, he could and would, and has used his omniscience for much pettier tasks in the past.

Destructive Capacity/Scope of Power:

The scope of Beyonder's powers exceeds the infinite multiverse. His power gives him the ability to basically create, destroy, damage or heal anything that exists and is not really limited by any physical factors.

Starting with some uber small feats.

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Beyonder galaxy busts by accident.

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Beyonder bitchslaps Galactus back down to Battleworld. Professor X puts it best, Galactus is less than a fly in comparison.

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Doctor Doom, wielding Beyonder's powers, bestows Klaw (who incidentally is being possessed by Beyonder at the time) with an "infinitesimal micro-fraction" of his power which is enough to kill ten thousand stars.

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Beyonder causes multiverse-wide destruction during a temper tantrum.

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Beyonder kills (?) the abstract entity Death and thus removes the concept of death from existence, making it so that nobody- not Eternity, not Molecule Man, nobody- can kill anything, even a flower.

Side note, while this did use up a chunk of his power, there are two things to note here.

A. Even after doing this, he is still more powerful than every other power in the entire multiverse put together. Including Eternity and the Living Tribunal. And every other conceptual abstract entity in the Marvel universe.

B. He is actually lying about being unable to restore Death. He does it like three pages later.

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What he really meant when he said he would not be able to bring her back is that he could not bring her back from scratch. Hardly a damning limitation of Beyonder's power.

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Beyonder kicks the ass of the entire Celestial host for basically no reason, within moments, and without any difficulty whatsoever.

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While in the infinite Beyond realm, which is his home/his point of conception outside of the multiverse- over which he still has total control- Beyonder casually recreates the universe and then erases it a moment later with a wave of his hand after changing his mind.

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Beyonder describes himself as having far greater power than the sum of all power in the universe. Which is frankly putting it very lightly.

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Beyonder's very presence affects the multiverse itself. And he can alter the fundamental forces of the multiverse at will.

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Beyonder gave Dazzler a fraction of his power to make them near-omnipotent equals, but she rejected the power. When the power returned to him, it was described as being equal to "all the other energy in existence [I.E. in the infinite multiverse] times one thousand." Not to mention that taking in all that power again was only barely enough to stun him for even a split second.

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Molecule Man (also a nigh-omnipotent) laments that all the energy in the entire multiverse is not enough to protect him and his wife when Beyonder decides to destroy all of existence. Which was a very real threat of his by the way.

And just so we are absolutely crystal clear here.

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Nothing in Marvel is consistent, but within the context of Secret Wars II the multiverse is referred to by Molecule Man as a series of infinite dimensions (I.E. alternate universes, which is what makes it a multi-verse). So the multiverse here is indeed infinitely large, composed of infinite universes. And Beyonder's power is far greater than the entire infinite multiverse and all the power within it, including all of Marvel's abstracts.

Durability:

Beyonder does not have a ton of durability feats but he has. Death as a concept is basically meaningless to him and you would essentially have to erase him from existence to get rid of him, not kill or destroy him, since he is arguably not really even a living entity to begin with.

Regardless here are a few showings.

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The full power of the Phoenix Force doesn't do jack to Beyonder.

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Beyonder tanks an attack from the nigh-omnipotent Molecule Man that could destroy several billion universes.

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Beyonder explains that he cannot be destroyed by any force in existence without his consent.

So this is a pretty solid overview of where Beyonder stood originally; hopefully this will provide some extra context for the character for anyone wondering about his level of power. I know I have directed people to the tourney I took this from several times for reference, so now I can just direct them here. PR Beyonder is definitely a character seem to be interested in so I think the more information available, the better.

Thanks for reading all!

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Link Respect Compendium - Super Smash Bros. (1999 - 2004)

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Super Smash Bros. is an extremely difficult series to quantify, given that it pits characters of completely different tiers against one another with a relative balance of power. It's been heavily theorized that the characters are simply toys being played with (and the game's setup supports this) so take anything from this series with a dozen grains of salt. That said, this is one of Link's non-canon representations so I will do my best to show what's usable.

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Link Respect Compendium - Hyrule Warriors (2016)

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Hyrule Warriors borrows the ridiculous over-the-top combat from the Dynasty Warriors series, and it really shows. Frankly, in Hyrule Warriors some of Link's capabilities put him completely out of the tier of any of the other Link's, complete with planet-level strength. Suffice to say, Hyrule Warriors is pretty distinct power-wise from any of the main series games.

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Link Respect Compendium - Manga Adaptations

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The Legend of Zelda has a number of non-canon manga adaptations, which for the most part make the character much more strictly quantifiable than his video game counterpart. I don't have much experience with these adaptations, but I know they have been covered in more depth by others so I will simply try to give a general overview and then link to somewhere else.

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Link Respect Compendium - Breath of the Wild (2017)

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The most recent Link as of now; one of the few Links to boast a host of impressive and relatively quantifiable speed feats, as well as having an enormous array of melee weapons, bows and armor that put every other Link to absolute shame, and one of the few with time manipulation abilities. He also has strong stealth and agility capabilities, but for a 3D Link his sword technique is relatively limited, and he has less magic healing and invulnerability items and no magic power.

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Can draw and fire multiple arrows from midair- time slows down dramatically to represent this level of speed (just look at how slowly the timer moves).

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Fights and reacts to the visibly faster-than-eye Thunderblight Ganon (this fight is required for main game completion).

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Link Respect Compendium - Triforce Heroes (2015)

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In the same vein as Four Swords, this Link is a party- but unlike the two Four Swords games, the three characters in Triforce Heroes are in fact three separate people, and as such, I consider their applicability to a "composite" Link rather questionable. Regardless, these three guys have some really invaluable items in the form of unique Outfits, which give them powerful buffs to their physicals and to their items. If all their outfits were composited or put together, they would be physically near-unstoppable, so I will do my best to cover the best of it in their gear overview.

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Link Respect Compendium - A Link Between Worlds (2013)

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Continuing the trend from Skyward Sword, this Link has upgradable gear that lets him greatly improve on the standard Zelda arsenal. His bombs, hammer, and fire & ice rods are all more greatly combat applicable for this Link than most others because of his incredible range, and he also has a few other key items that make him more versatile.

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Link Respect Compendium - Skyward Sword (2011)

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Chronologically the first Link, Skyward Sword's is also one of the most broken, having a lot of unreasonably good upgrades and a uniquely indestructible Hylian Shield. While this Link is lacking a bit in technique and experience compared to some of the other 3D Links, this one makes up for it in his defensive capabilities and strong showings.

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Link Respect Compendium - Spirit Tracks (2009)

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This Link is minimal in terms of gear and only has a few tricks up his sleeve- however, if paired with Zelda as a companion, the duo can possess Phantom suits Deadman-style and pose a serious threat in melee combat. Additionally, this Link possess an evil-banishing Bow of Light and a magic boomerang that he has total control over, as well as feats against unusually large and powerful enemies.

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Link Respect Compendium - Twilight Princess (2006)

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Twilight Princess has probably the most physically adept Link, with some valuable strength feats and a host of sword techniques that make him a very skilled sword fighter. That aside, he also has magic armor that grants him invulnerability based on his rupees, and his wolf transformation to add an extra layer of versatility. All in all, he is versatile and strong, with a lot of showings to talk about on all fronts. He is lacking a bit in gear though, having no magic power and limited combat options outside of swordplay.

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