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#1  Edited By Ambaryerno

I'm feeling EXTREMELY silly tonight.

It's a Science Fair Rumble!

THE COMBATANTS

Tony Stark (MCU) vs Gadget Hackwrench (Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers)

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THE BATTLEFIELD

The Science Fair!

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THE CONDITIONS

* This is a science fair, not a physical battle. Best invention wins.

* Competitors may use any commonly available household items. Note: Tony Stark's house is NOT considered common. Basically anything you can get at Lowes or Home Depot is fair game.

* Budget of $2000.

* Round 1: Gadget has limited toon physics: She can make use of any scale of human technology she's depicted using in CnDRR despite her size, however the invention itself must conform to MCU physics.

* Round 2: Gadget has full toon physics, which may be applied to her inventions.

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I think the best model for it is how her foot claws work in her movie version; rather than the claws being stowed in her feet, they fit between the two bones of her lower leg (much the same as the claws in her hands fit between the bones of her forearms). Extending the claw requires her to point her foot, (watch Keen's performance in Logan: Whenever the foot claw comes out you can see her give her foot a slight flick to allow the claw to extend) though once it's extended she can plant her foot as normal. The comics just don't show this detail because of the lack of motion on-panel.

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@deathstrokefan1626 said:

Depends on how Laura's body responds to electricity, given that I don't remember any feats regarding it's up in the air. Laura has nearly every (if not every) physical advantage and only really loses out in skill. If Laura is able to tag Nat with her claws she will win.

In the end I'm not sure how Nat can KO or kill Laura, unless Laura is susceptible to electricity, in which Widow would have to pump enough electricity through her to either KO or kill her. One issue with this however is that Laura's claws have cut through metal materials with relative ease, so I could see her cutting through Nat's staff and leaving her weaponless (In which case she certainly loses)and I'm confident that Laura could survive long enough (a few seconds) to cut the staff while it's on her. Laura on the other can win through all three methods without too many variables. I would give the fight to Laura 7/10 or 8/10.

Nat does have size and possibly strength. It's unclear how strong Laura is; some of her feats of throwing people around IE the guy in the convenience store may rely as much on leverage or simply unbalancing opponents with her own weight than raw strength. The problem is, Nat being bigger isn't enough of an advantage on its own that it can't be overcome (as demonstrated by the fact Laura is shown carving through men LITERALLY twice her size like butter).

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@thehunter said:

Don't see Widow winning at all lol.

Maybe if she gets to use and abuse her bite but that's about it

TBH, we don't know HOW the widows bite would affect this version of Laura, so even if Nat did have them I don't know that you could reliably say they'd make a difference. Remember Laura took a harpoon through the chest and all it did was piss her off, and the only guy in the film that actually managed to incapacitate her for any length of time was strong enough the lift a multi-ton AFV off of himself after it was dumped on his head. So it's plausible she could tank it.

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@sargeras said:
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@sargeras said:

X-23 is incredibly overrated, yes she has the adamantium skeleton, claws and HF but the experience that Widow has? No. Widow is better trained than Laura, more intelligent and more agile, she could find Laura's pressure points and take her out that way.

What's your basis for intelligence and training? A cut scene from the script (it's unclear if it was ever filmed) had Laura breezing through advanced math homework that Nate Munson was struggling with. In the finished film itself we don't get very much of an indication of her actual intelligence, but I don't know many 11 year-olds who can drive AND navigate from GPS coordinates, so her education is clearly well beyond her age. I also don't see much supporting your argument of agility considering the sort of leaping, flipping, cartwheeling, climbing, parkour, etc. we see Laura pulling off (there's a reason why female gymnasts tend to be very small, after all).

Natasha was a Red Room spy trained by the Soviets and was regarded by both the Red Room and SHIELD to be among their best in assassination attempts, and is one of the best within the MCU's universe, and Laura may be able to drive and navigate GPS coordinates, i'll give her that but she is also able to drive and navigate gps coordinates as well, she is also a skilled computer hacker, laura breezing through math homework is nice and all, and unless memory serves me wrong she did all of those gymnastic abilities in her fight with the hammer guards in iron man 2.

I'm pretty sure spoken reputation doesn't count in Vs. threads.

Almost all of Nats on-screen combat feats are vs. mooks (any Ultron other than the Prime body is for all intents and purposes a mook). Her biggest "named" fight I can recall was against Bucky in Winter Soldier. She was pretty hopelessly outclassed hand-to-hand, (he threw her off pretty effortlessly when she tried to garrotte him) and only got away because she had an EMP that managed to disable his arm. Laura actually would have KILLED X-24 during the forest battle if it weren't for his healing factor. Even then, she was in almost total control of the fight in the climax, and 24 only managed to shake her off when he got a lucky hit. Also remember that vs. mooks Laura is doing everything Nat does...except those mooks ALL have cybernetics, and they're all twice her size.

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@sargeras said:

X-23 is incredibly overrated, yes she has the adamantium skeleton, claws and HF but the experience that Widow has? No. Widow is better trained than Laura, more intelligent and more agile, she could find Laura's pressure points and take her out that way.

What's your basis for intelligence and training? A cut scene from the script (it's unclear if it was ever filmed) had Laura breezing through advanced math homework that Nate Munson was struggling with. In the finished film itself we don't get very much of an indication of her actual intelligence, but I don't know many 11 year-olds who can drive AND navigate from GPS coordinates, so her education is clearly well beyond her age. I also don't see much supporting your argument of agility considering the sort of leaping, flipping, cartwheeling, climbing, parkour, etc. we see Laura pulling off (there's a reason why female gymnasts tend to be very small, after all).

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@shaladue said:
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@richubs: HE ALSO BITCH SLAPPED HER AND SHE WAS DOWN FOR THE COUNT.

  • Just the body of an 11 year old so Widow's punches will do a lot of harm

Can't wait to see threads like Proxima Midnight vs X23, just for their to be X23 stomps comments. In fact I think I'll make it now

If by "down for the count" you mean "back on her feet a second later, going for Logan's discarded gun and only stopped because Rictor dumped a 2-ton truck on top of him."

Also, I guess you missed the part where Laura TOOK A HARPOON THROUGH THE CHEST and all it did was piss her off. If she didn't get swarmed by about half a dozen Reavers immediately after Pierce would have been dead where he stood. I doubt Widow's punches are going to do any more appreciable damage.

Someone's just triggered because his waifu isn't getting a good showing.

And in those 10 seconds her ass was face first in the dirt X-24 could've easily finished the job. Gtfo.

Since when is piercing damage the same as blunt force to the head or broken limbs. Widows punches were destroying Ultron bots, she's easily peak human. Like I said, you people are in the single digits of IQ.

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Can we get a mod to take out the trash? You've done nothing but hurl insults at people since your first post in this thread.

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The real key here is that Nat doesn't have anything that's going to stop her. She's just going to heal from the damage faster than Nat can inflict it. Laura only needs to hit her ONCE to inflict a crippling or fatal wound; Nat doesn't have anything that's going to stop her claws, and as we saw with the Reavers they're perfectly lethal against conventional body armor despite her size.

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@shaladue said:

@richubs: HE ALSO BITCH SLAPPED HER AND SHE WAS DOWN FOR THE COUNT.

  • Just the body of an 11 year old so Widow's punches will do a lot of harm

Can't wait to see threads like Proxima Midnight vs X23, just for their to be X23 stomps comments. In fact I think I'll make it now

If by "down for the count" you mean "back on her feet a second later, going for Logan's discarded gun and only stopped because Rictor dumped a 2-ton truck on top of him."

Also, I guess you missed the part where Laura TOOK A HARPOON THROUGH THE CHEST and all it did was piss her off. If she didn't get swarmed by about half a dozen Reavers immediately after Pierce would have been dead where he stood. I doubt Widow's punches are going to do any more appreciable damage.

Someone's just triggered because his waifu isn't getting a good showing.

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@stormdriven said:

Threads like this are why I consider Cassandra to be one of the most overrated characters on the forum

You can pretty much extend that to the entire Bat Family.