Adi_Frost

@rdcdesmond said:

@debater666898:

sorry I’m a lil hung over and have to go to work this morning but I think I covered everything

Kaguya chakra fruit was over 16 and high above the norm

Momo chakra fruit was around 10

So her chakra fruit is 16 > 10

So at most we can say hers is almost two fold the fruit momo had

Chakra fruits

Momo fruit still comes from a entire world, animals, humans (aliens of that planet), the Energy in the atmosphere, chakra fruits will always be large power boosts regardless just tapping into small amount of nature energy and combining it with your own can boost you 10 fold in sage mode. Imagine having a entire planet of energy stacking onto yourself in the form of a fruit. See what I mean ? The fruit was set up for buff / hype up momo before his entrance on earth.

Now we know Momoshiki doesn’t train so his power comes from just eating the fruit from the world we saw

Kinshiki didn’t eat fruit he was stated to have gotten his power by eating / absorbing his Predecessor

Ah yes the Shin counter

Shin was bodied by Sakura Who didn’t even have full byakugou activated. This is obvious and common sense proof he doesn’t scale to god tier. Shin Hax made Sasuke sword stab Naruto when Sasuke was rushing torwards Shin with his gripped sword. Another god tier harming another god tier. All that proves Sasuke can harm Naruto When Boruto and kids were still in academy which is 1 year before the Momoshiki arc. Naruto had got in shape since then training with fodder joining because he didn’t know when leaf would be attacked again which is correct he was right because a year later Momoshiki invasion happens

You ignore the plot and focus on outliers but when you put your proposal on the table it makes zero sense

Naruto would have just killed them in Chunin exams if they were only Kage lv or Sasuke would’ve just killed them in ice world It’s like you are saying the duo went from moon lvs of AP to friggin multi mountain lv of ap a thousands of times drop based on outliers from kages who I explained do NOT scale they struggle with Kuu and Watered Down 7 Swordsmen of the mist kids. Also no proof they are above Mei, Oonoki, 4th Raikage who were demonstrated as far fodder to god tiers.

Momo and Kin portrayal in ice world and Chunin exams outweighed their performance in momo world before momo eats kinshiki. Obviously they were Nerfed. Kinshiki can keep up with a FTL / moon - small planet lv (however you judge them) down to struggling with multi mountain tiers. Makes no sense other than PIS.

Hell even if momo n kin were only multi continent lv it STILL wouldn’t make sense for them to be that lv then jump down to multi mountain lv it is outlier for kages momo n kin weren’t injured and kages struggle with far less weaker characters yet can effect people that can knock Naruto out in SPSM ? Nah

Its like writer makes momo n kin forget how to fight and use their powers and stats in momo world lol

Imagine momo being only kurotsuchi lv and Boruto only had a kurotsuchi lv inner monster inside him lol

The guy literally stated that Naruto, Sasuke, Shikamaru consider ten tails to be the worst case scenario compared to the androids, while completely ignoring that they don't even know that these androids are still alive since Amado said he disposed of them.

And he is in denial. He has ignored the instance where Momoshiki casually created the ten tails level multi-continental TBB using a fraction of killer bees power. and at the same time he also says 'they don't have feats". I mean, ofcourse they won't have any feats for that guy since he chooses to ignore the ones that do exists.

"what is this headcanon? No just no"

Momo has eaten more than one chakra fruit, he has been doing that for a long time. It was stated that Kaguya's world was one which had a curvature of over 16 but there was nothing to suggest that this planet was anything extra ordinary, it was shown as just a harvest that is better and they were to wait to harvest. Thats all. And Kaguya clearly DID NOT an actual chakra fruit since the planet is supposed to die after that happens but it didn't, hence meaning she at best ate a partial fruit. Again showing why Momo is just plain superior to Kaguya in every way.

"yet their feats are bad, seems like the chakra fruits by feats are not very boosting, what you said above is literal headcanon"

Seems more like you are in denial rather than him being in denial. Eating a chakra fruit which contains entire nature energy of an entire planet and its living things, which ends up killing the planet in the process, is somehow not a big enough boost? You are in plain denial.

"which just shows how unimpressive naruto and sasuke are"

It seems you have no idea of what you are talking about if you think Sakura is even remotely close to their level of strength. Neither is your logic right and neither are your facts right. I'm gonna show why you are also factually wrong in your post.

"this is consistent with momoshiki and kinshiki matching kages"

The kage had the assistance of Sasuke to match them. Both were dominating the kage until then.

And your logic is so flawed, you say its consistent that Sakura is at the level of Naruto and Sasuke hence meaning Naruto and Sasuke are at the level of the kage since they matched Momoshiki and Kinshiki. But facts show that when Momoshiki fused with Kinshiki, he took down every kage with a single hit but Naruto in his BASE form was able fight better than the Kage. Showing that BASE Naruto > all five Kage combined.

You're seeing the flaw in your logic? I doubt it.

"shin statued sasuke in that instance"

LOL, it was a surprise attack. No one got statued at all in that instance.

"these boruto god tiers have no impressive feats though, but mk"

Someone just seems to be in denial. Naruto being stated to destroy Momoshiki's giant tailed beast bomb with a little casual TSB one of his is a good enough feat. As for feats, you have nothing to say Naruto and Sasuke got any weaker. Since the last Naruto the movie shows that they got stronger after the war. You don't make any sense.

"nothing here suggest he is anywhere near his war arc self or the last who have far superior feats, for example sasuke was tagging momoshiki and kinshiki, who were also tagged by kages"

Haven't showed anything to suggest they got weaker. You have no logic to suggest why they got weaker, nor any factual evidence. Kage matched Kinshiki and Momoshiki with the help of sasuke, all were getting bodied before that. Momoshiki didn't try to blitx any of them to suggest he was getting tagged.

I like how you ignore how Momoshiki absolutely decimated everything in the chunin exam stadium, casualy created tornados, thunderstorms (absolute zero snowstorms in the novels). etc. I like how you ignore he casually created a super giant TBB and he was in a stronger form when he fought the final battle.

"boruto era is just not impressive, you haven't shown feats, apart from these anti feats like them being relative to kages we get a clear statement that indicates tentails is a worse case scenario even after jigen+ androids were mentioned"

This one statement shows why you are objectively false. Tentails is considered the worst case scenario BECAUSE THEY DONT EVEN KNOW THAT THE CYBORGS EXIST. You clearly didn't read the part where it was stated that Amado dumped the androids and everyone thinks they are gone but Boro secretly stored them up. The leaf village doesn't know that they exist. They only know that the ten tails and code with the limiters on exists.

"outliers? or clear consistency?"

Clear outliers and a plain denial that they are stronger than each of their former selfs.

"except they wouldn't, this version of naruto and sasuke have no feats"

They don't need feats. They are Naruto and Sasuke. There s nothing suggesting they lost all their powers. Its your job to prove they are weaker which you clearly cant because they are stronger and the scale of the enemies and statements prove it.

"they matched both momo and kinshiki who matched kages(they were pretty exhausted though)"

I like how you ignore the part where Momoshiki created the giant TSB which has only been done by ten tails level of characters. Which was stated to be capable of multi-continental destruction. I like how you ignore that Momoshiki eats chakra fruits like its nothing for him.

Basically you are denial.

"they think ten tails is far above jigen+ androids"

Already explained above why you are wrong.

"its not PIS, it just shows momo is at that kage level, unless you can actually show feats of any moon level to small planet level characters which so far I haven't seen"

Simply explain to me how Momoshiki created a TBB in the chunin exams which was stated to be multiple continental in DC and it was on a scale of the ten tails. If he is kage level, how did he do that? I hope you don't say idiotic things like the TBB is weaker than it looks or anything.

Luffy doesn't know what hit him.

@hydratedfubuki6 said:

1km hole to measure the gap between its limbs, the result is 451.50501672 meters.

1km hole / 299px = 299

135px / 299 = 0.45150501672 km

0.45150501672 km x 3333 pair of limbs = 1504.8662207

Sage Centipede is 1504.866 km long, not including head and tail.

Even though I don't care much about Pixel scaling, this seems to be fairly accurate considering it was verbatim stated that he has 6666 limbs and the distance between each is equal.

While TSO affecting Lucifero is debatable and Lucifero undoubtedly has the speed advantage. Obito has the DC and power advantage. Both have extremely good regen, though Lucifero's is better.

As for Gravity, Obito will no sell it. Haven't seen feats of gravity which would be enough to bring Obito to his knees.

Naruto in his 6 tails form was able to resist gravity strong enough to pluck an entire mountain range out of earth. Obito's pinky is stronger than Naruto by a mile.

I think this would be a stalemate. Since Obito cannot kill Lucifero and Lucifero can't kill Obito.

Depends. Does he have planet level DC? Not really. But is he planetary level?

Since characters weaker than him like Eida have shown skills ranging in planetary+ rather casually without any effort, he can be said to be planetary or above. But Eida has only sensory skills ranging in that level, as far as we know about it. In general though she can be considered a character who works in that range since one aspect of her ability works in that range. Hence Isshiki can be called that level.

Otherwise you have much simpler scaling, like how a incomplete Juubi is small planet level in energy and since Isshiki dwarfs that power level easily, he is at that level.

Since he also casually dwarfs Naruto and Sasuke who both have casual moon level feats, Isshiki can be scaled to planetary levels easily. Not to mention, he also scales above Momoshiki who eats chakra fruits for him breakfast like they are nothing and just one incomplete fruit turned Kaguya into a goddess.

Kakashi beheads both of them before they can perceive what has happened.

Wano has been underwhelming as hell when it comes to feats in all departments. Still the strongest pure physical feat in the verse is King Kong Gun in dressrosa whose DC is multi-city block level and AP wise is mountain+ level easily. While the characters have gotten significantly stronger since then, especially Luffy whose base form scales higher than the Gear 4th before his current fight against Kaido (not the king kong gun feat though, thats still in the air if his base is stronger than even that).

Kaido as well has shown no impressive physical feats at all. Forget country level, he hasn't even performed Island level physical feats yet so don't see how people are scaling him to country level in physicals while I can hardly put him at island level barely. Will wait until one of them performs a really impressive physical feat (I'm stressing physical feats because thats how luffy fights).

Law's latest feat was pretty impressive though.

On topic - Garou is too fast and strong enough to win. He wins.

Saitama has mostly one shotted people without giving them a chance to counter. Its perfectly in character for him to go for a one shot at the beginning. Saitama wins. And lol at Law blitzing.