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@abhilegend: Right. You're the guy running here to insult and degrade anyone who disagrees with you, like a true gentleman.

Ugh, I'm out too.

Who did I insult bro? Is calling somebody a boy an insult? You don't want to hear truth that J'onn was always beneath Superman, fine with me. Don't come up with out of context feats.

wow, what a mess.....

Anyway, aside from abh's derailment....Zod should not be blitzing Martian Manhunter's face like that, J'obb J'obbz should job less. Also, no Ursa? I know Faroa has been really hot lately but I don't know .... no problem with it though.

Haha, what? Manhunter fanboys derailed it with "J'onn will leave superman a vegetable and what not", not me. I just posted feats.

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@abhilegend said:

@bflynn316 said:

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@bflynn316 said:

I think it's pretty close. But what powers does Zod have that MM doesn't have, plus more?

Not getting almost killed in a few punches would be top on the list.

Touche, but I don't think Zod could kill him like that, his healing is insane. And J'onn got surprise attacked in both the times he got hit by Zod. However, it does seem Zod is faster and stronger than Martian Manhunter in those scans. I really think it would be close.

Except that's what happened in the comic. You could go all HF and what not, it wouldn't change the fact that Zod almost killed him with a few punches after blitzing him. Case closed.

He didn't almost kill him, J'onn has healed from just like a drop of flesh before. Being punched should not kill him. Also while Zod was winning in the comic, J'onn wasn't trying to fight, he was trying to see if Zod was friendly. Then when he did attack, he only was trying to incapacitate Zod, not kill or KO him. I think the fight would have gone very differently if J'onn was using the full force of his abilities and actually fighting back more.

That's pre-flashpoint where J'onn healed from a severed hand. Trevor outright stated that Zod nearly killed him. Also J'onn was fighting all right.

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#3  Edited By abhilegend

@abhilegend: @comicstooge: @lvenger: Hey guys its crazy how often this thread takes off at a tangent, can we keep it to posting Superman feats instead of debating MM's abilities.

Hey, I'm not the one who came running here to defend Manjobber's leftover dignity. I was just posting feats.

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@abhilegend said:

@bflynn316 said:

I think it's pretty close. But what powers does Zod have that MM doesn't have, plus more?

Not getting almost killed in a few punches would be top on the list.

Touche, but I don't think Zod could kill him like that, his healing is insane. And J'onn got surprise attacked in both the times he got hit by Zod. However, it does seem Zod is faster and stronger than Martian Manhunter in those scans. I really think it would be close.

Except that's what happened in the comic. You could go all HF and what not, it wouldn't change the fact that Zod almost killed him with a few punches after blitzing him. Case closed.

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@lvenger: Even Grodd used the kryptonite illusion on Supes, Pre-reboot. And Grodd isn't even close to MM

Grodd was beating J'onn two pages later while being weakened due to controlling superman and aquaman and that was Byrne Superman to boot.

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@abhilegend: Once again, your abrasive and rude tone does not make your points any stronger and undermines any form of respectable debating you intend to put across when the opposite could not be further from the truth. I don't wish to spend my first day back on the Vine correcting your incessant flaws thus derailing the thread so I'll leave it here. Treating others this way will result in the mods coming in with warnings if you build up a record of this. I don't know what things are like on KMC but here the mods are much more punctual over warnings.

@comicstooge Exactly. And Grodd had to amp himself just to contend with J'onn.

I speak truth boy. Its hard to deal with. Run away again. Here's what happened two pages later by the same Grodd.


http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859106/JLA-Incarnations2-30.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859107/JLA-Incarnations2-31.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859108/JLA-Incarnations2-32.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859109/JLA-Incarnations2-33.jpg.html

He literally turned J'onn in a pile of goo. Not everything CitizenBane says is true I'm afraid.

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I think it's pretty close. But what powers does Zod have that MM doesn't have, plus more?

Not getting almost killed in a few punches would be top on the list.

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@lvenger said:

@abhilegend: I'd also appreciate you recognising the distinction between Pre Flashpoint and New 52 Superman. That would enable you to establish limited credibility in your posts which you severely lack in your arguments thus far. New 52 Superman has been TPed more than 6 times in the New 52

  • Captain Comet giving Superman illusions of a possible life.
  • Susie Thompkins linking Superman to all the suffering things in the world.
  • Hector Hammond reading Superman like a book before Orion's intervention.
  • The Insect Queen playing with Superman mentally.
  • Psycho Pirate chumping Superman with ease.
  • MM easily reading Superman's thoughts during Trinity War.

And I can give more. Factual evidence>your biased opinion that Superman is somehow vastly superior to MM when Superman barely has a physical edge. I know both characters very well both Pre and Post New 52 and there's way more compelling evidence and arguments on my end to prove you wrong as I have before.

I know all about them. J'onn reading a superman who was dying from kryptonite poisoning and wasn't even resisting is your proof? Where is your proof of J'onn performing the same feats as Captain Comet who Superman threw out of his mind when he blanketed his mind? Or Susie Thompkins? Or Hammond, insect queen or Psycho Pirate? Hammond was declared the most powerful telepath on earth, Insect queen was his peer and Pirate was more powerful than either. J'onn isn't anywhere near them.

Barely a physical edge? Hahaha, Zod nearly killed Manjobber with a few punches. The last time you came against me, you ran to Bane for help and then literally ran away. You don't have any knowledge worth mentioning boy. I know literally everything about superman and J'onn both pre flashpoint and after it.

"And you overrule the many times in Pre Flashpoint history when J'onn has mindwiped Superman like a book. Heck featless White Martians have made Superman think that there was kryptonite in front of him."

Name one time. The nameless martians were successful because he didn't know they were a telepath, as soon as he knew they were martians he broke the illusion. Don't worry though, a single nameless martian beat J'onn via TP in Terror Incognita.

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Doomsday wins.

Based on? I belive I explained why he can't win this battle.

And its pretty much BS. Surfer left BRB drooling on his feet with two punches just after that. A super skrull with the strength of Titania, Thundra, Volcana and Bloodaxe combined beat the tar out of him. Tanaraus amped wrecking crew beat the tar out of him. None of these are on Doomsday's level of strength.

Martian Manhunter couldn't even budge Doomsday with his best punch and Doomsday took the full power energy blast of Superman, J'onn, Guy Gardner (a clone of him with the same ring oneshotted Captain Atom, Bloodwynd and Maxima and Wonder Woman separately), Fire and Booster Gold without even missing a beat. These kind of feats matter more than who destroyed what planet and survived what planet's destruction. Superman even before DOS survived a planet larger than jupiter blowing up under a red sun and kryptonite. Doomsday literally beat him to death.

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@lvenger said:

@abhilegend MM was jobbing in those scans so the writer could make Zod look good as @comicstooge has pointed out. And it still doesn't remove the threat of TP which, in the New 52, has been a massive weakness for Superman. Psi War was just full of telepaths walking all over Superman mentally.

Get out with this "jobbing". Its a respect thread. Psi war had telepaths "far stronger" than manjobber beating superman. Superman resisted TP of a 5 D imp who threw the emotions of ENTIRE CREATION in his head. J'onn has done nothing on that level.

@powerwoman: MM looks to be jobbing in those scans.

Anyway, Manhunter can still leave Clark a drooling vegetable with his TP

That has happened so often in comics, hasn't it?

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