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@khael: Some energy manipulators also possess matter manipulation as well,and they can easily transform matter and energy into one another as well.

Trio,Kyle and Wally are the MVPs.

Energy Manipulation includes Matter Manipulation.

And that's more impressive than Thor's teleportation?...You know that ain't true.c'mon

Yes they are,nothing I've seen suggest otherwise.

mjolnir can see through illusions...nullified. Plus, I never knew H'el produce illusions

His astral projection combined would make them more like clones,plus,he can separate himself from different timelines.

Once more it's true when Thor faces superstrong opponents, he resorts to simple brute strength however, it's WITHIN HIS CHARACTER to switch to his other powerset when facing opponents who are as/more powerful than him( eg silver surfer, stranger,mephisto,Phoenix,ego,Surtur,Mangog,Perrikus,etc)

Silver Surfer should honestly wreck Thor by feats,so does most of those you mentioned.

Yes that is for a certain category of persons...which h'el doesn't fall under. so Thor most definitely won't be using just brute strength

I'm not saying that he'll use brute strength,the point is consistency and the way he uses those powers.

tackled this

Not exactly.

I'm sorry....h'el is stronger than Thor because? Because he's able to trash supes? ABC logic I'm assuming

ABC logic ? He stomped Superman who was trying to take him out/kill him to a degree that Thor cannot achieve with brute strength/striking

teleportation,telekinesis,astral projection, chronokinesis---H'el

teleportation,energy manipulation and absoprtion(limitless),chronokinesis,magnetic manipulation, weather manipulation,matter manipulation(planetary)earth manipulation,Invisibility,intangibility,godblast,antiforce,geoblast,thermoblast,illusion detection,etc---Thor

H'el also possesses size manipulation against his opponents,invisibility,telepathy,and frankly time and dimensional alteration should counter most of Thor's powers.

Consistent use of these is shown against high-tier opponents....a category H'el falls under. Thor is definitely winning here....And there's 2 of him.

Thor is not beating him and neither is Bill.

BTW,H'el's telekinesis is able to hold down Superman/WW/SB at the same time,and he easily busted Faora's heart...it should honestly do serious damage on Thor.

Also Supergirl hurt herself by bullrushing at him,and he not even moved for a inch.

Ramarak stomps.

1. Duo
2. Jaime
3. Jaime dies

@fostinoesaid :

Thor stomped Surtur with just physicals alone....lol. I guess that settles it.

If you're talking about the one showing I remember,LOL .Surtur is tiers above Thor.Also Thor is planetary,and so is Superman (of course I'm aware that Thor strikes harder,but that honestly doesn't help much here considering H'el shrugged off Superman's punches several times like they are nothing)

you're also forgetting thor's also got chronokinesis, teleportation,matter manipulation(on a planetary scale), energy absorption(of infinite capacity),etc

H'el's teleportation are vastly more impressive,and he's telekinesis can hold off Superman and others at the same time easily.

No to mention illusions and astral projection,and by showings he consistently uses these abilities,unlike Thor who prefers brawl.

Running around from threads to threads and posting statements like this without backing up as well as ''Hyperion tanked the a universe busting attack'' makes you look bad.

Atrocitus easily.