Homestuck Cosmology
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Paradox Space
Paradox Space is all of existence, it encompasses everything, The Furthest Ring, every universe
The Nature of Paradox Space is complex, is full of paradoxes that make up a very big paradox that is the born of Lord English.
Certains things can be fated to happen(alpha Timelines), that can't but happen and if it doesn't(offshoots Timelines), that means that "doesn't" shouldn't have happened ( it gets Erased by Paradox Space along everything in that timeline like the concepts that make it), There are also decisions compared to a narrative flow sequence dictated by a higher authority, which works similar, In case it doesn't happen and Paradox Space erase everything in that universe:
Source: Homestuck (page 5616)
There's nothing new in Paradox Space as everything that can happen is already a visual or substantive reproduction of something which has already transpired in a timeline, offshoot or otherwise
Source: Homestuck (page 3817)
Genesis Frog
A Genesis Frog is a living universe. It's made up of Every potential instance of the Universe:
"every potential instances of that Universe exist inside as well."
Containing infinite possibilities (aka timelines), technically infinite per instatiation inside each Genesis Frog:
"A REALM OF ENDLESS FUCKING POSSIBILITES."
Source: Homestuck(page 2547)
"across infinite timelines"
Source: Homestuck Epilogue (Candy Route: Page 20)
By every choice it branch into an infinitely hazy field of possibilities, as each possibility is a reality in its own branching reality:
Source: Homestuck (page 4771)
There are infinite ¨trillions¨ and at least countless of them in which Lord English has appeared:
Time and Space is Infinite:
Universes with different laws of physics:
It's kind of funny that this carapacian tome considers the idea of more than four orbs to be preposterous. It acknowledges the theoretical possibility, but beyond that they just think it's silly. Sburb is a flexible game that can go in infinite different ways, but once a session is locked into specific conditions, the inhabitants all seem to believe those conditions are totally normal, and any other conditions sound insane to them. It's kind of like how we have the ability to imagine different laws of physics in our universe, but actually picturing them put into practice and how that would affect life seems insane and completely fantastical. Yet perhaps there are different universes with different physical laws regardless. How would we know?
Book 6 page 439
"John Cusack is known to be a universal constant, and Homestuck confirms this truth canonically. Celebrities in general are cosmic constants, actually. Two separate universes could be created with somewhat varying laws of physics, but their celebs would still all be the same. They're actually more fundamental than physical laws, certainplatonic concepts, or the aspects themselves.
Book 4 page 319
Skaia
Skaia is the the places where the Genesis Frog Gets to finally become the universe:
Source: Homestuck (page 2663)
It channalize the power of unlimited creative potential:
Source: Homestuck (page 422)
Which they use to create the New Genesis Frog, these well of potential is the source that they use to make all the possible conceivables universes that could exist:
Source: Homestuck (page 7069)
Meta-Rivers, Infinite Hierarchy Of Creators, Towering stack of Universes
In Homestuck(PesterQuest and Hiveswap Friendsim to be exact) there exist a Infinite Hierarchy of Meta-rivers(creators):
- There is a Infnite Hierarchy of Creators/Towering stack of universes within PesterQuest/Hiveswap Friendsim story, with each greater creator being above the one below.
- Each layer is infinetely greater and meta vaster than the one below, seeing the whole lower layer as a pixel.
- Higher creators move all things like pieces in a chessboard game.
- To get to a bigger Meta River you have to literally trascend.
TL;DR: In this route, Us the MSPA reader ascend this hierarchy and comprehend the full light of reality.
This hierarchy is still inside "this" instantiation of the story.
Clarification:
In the 4th Image "There are many of this methaporical meta-rivers" It means that the rivers aren't literal and don't exist.
R. It means that the meta-rivers it's a metaphor to higher trascendental causalities, which are being moved by even higher trascendental causalities, Infinitely.
An referring to "many" these rivers has been mentioned many times as the causality, including all its branches (Which I proved to be Infinite, and also mentioned to be infinite in this bad ending).
The Furthest Ring and the True full extent of the Aspects
The furthest Ring is the timeless but not timeless void the Unfathomable abyss, untouched by any space-time of any Universe(Genesis Frogs) Its infinite and contain infinite of these Frogs alone everything else mentioned so far.
The All Encompassing Nothingness and the Infinite Space which divides sessions:
Source: Homestuck (page 5395)
Source: Homestuck (page 2850)
It has a lanyrinthine spacetime and exists outside of any created Universe:
Source: Homestuck (page 3041)
It's the most fundamental layer of the Cosmology:
On the most fundamental layer of the ecology/cosmology, you have the horrorterrors, huge beasts we can't fathom and have no earthly basis for comparison (except Lovecraft's garbage, obviously). But the layer closer to the plane of existence we relate to is governed by an ecology of fauna we can also relate to better, which is an array of reptilian and amphibious creatures, with frogs being the most important. So important that they are the vessels for all physical reality we understand, and all other lifeforms on this order play a subordinate or auxiliary role in the cosmic makeup.
Book 6 page 123
It's the Default Reality:
They rule the infinite expanse of the Furthest Ring, where seemingly no other form of life exists except for them. And corporeal life as we understand it exists within this medium as a tiny subset of its total volume. It's implied, as I mentioned a few notes ago, that all comprehensible realities to us (such as dream bubble illusions, or Sburb sessions containing entire universes) actually are confined by little bubbles that these beasts whimsically blow, probably for no humanly comprehensible reason.This suggests that this godawful abyss and its gruesome inhabitants are the default reality.
Book 5 page 301
There exist several things:
Furthest Ring Index
- The Horroterrors: Lords and masters of the Furthest Ring, they control it.
- The Dream Bubbles(Realms made by the Horroterrors)
- The true form of the Aspects. here exist the platonic-like Aspects that forms reality.
- the Green Sun(lets get to it a little bit later)
The Horroterrors:
Not much is know about them, except they are beyond Space and Time(not to confuse with the aspects of space and time), and are the Lords of the furthest Ring
They rule the Furthest Ring, which is the default reality:
I said in an earlier book that these eldritch beasts were only imported into Homestuck because of their presence in Problem Sleuth, which used them in a much goofier way. It didn't really take their horrifying nature or the Lovecraftian tradition of them seriously at all. But the way HS starts blending them into its greater cosmology does seem to take them a little more seriously as literary devices from the horror genre. I never read any Lovecraft and don't really care about these creatures in respect to them being specific elements of his work. They were siphoned into the PS/HS lore from the wider pop-culture melange that has elevated the notion of an eldritch abomination into something transcending the original source material to become a more widely recognized fantasy trope. So this is the nature of their utility here, something touching on a more universal principle of alien horror which says that some alien life is so unfathomable and unsettling to us that even contemplating them is a gateway to madness. Neither good nor evil, their existence utterly eludes definition or judgment on mortal humanoid terms. They rule the infinite expanse of the Furthest Ring, where seemingly no other form of life exists except for them. And corporeal life as we understand it exists within this medium as a tiny subset of its total volume. It's implied, as I mentioned a few notes ago, that all comprehensible realities to us (such as dream bubble illusions, or Sburb sessions containing entire universes) actually are confined by little bubbles that these beasts whimsically blow, probably for no humanly comprehensible reason. This suggests that this godawful abyss and its gruesome inhabitants are the default reality. And the much more stable, relatable realms we enjoy, such as "a universe," are actually the rare exceptions: totally anomalous, dreamlike fields of experience that exist only briefly relative to the lifespan of these monsters, as the confining bubbles swell and pop.
Book 5 page 301
They are omniscient. and have their own power hierarchy:
Source: Homestuck (page 304)
They "glub" the existence of Dream Bubbles. A limbo like after-life to Sburb players. Untouched by time and space, and also ignore Changes/Rewrites in: Fate, Plot and Causality through time. The Ghosts that exist there still continues existing there even if their deaths has been retconned:
Quick explanation of Retcon:
Dream Bubbles:
An after life for players of SBURB. they are made by the Horroterrors:
They're made of memories of those that deadselves that are in it, or dreams of those that lose their dream self (sort of a second life):
These bubbles are acausal constructions, aswell as the inhabitants that are already dead. As they're not changed even if their death has been retconed of existence:
Source: Homestuck (page: 7381)
They were made to distract LE of slaughtering Horroterrors:
Source: Homestuck (page: 6053)
The Aspects:
They're the reason of why the non time-space is so weird.
In these place, unlike the Universes. the aspects are stabilized as a single Canvas:
They're Abstractions. The concepts here are interwined and in balance. normally they wouldn't. as each aspect is a pair (a duality)
These aspects are:
Linked to the Fandom Wiki of Homestuck
Every two aspects is a duality. Time and Space, Light and Void; Mind and Heart etc...
Concepts/Ideas are subtle variations of the Aspects:
Source: Homestuck (page:7888)
Ideas and concepts are interchangeable terms:
Homestuck ideas work on platonic concepts
Homestuck works on platonism:
"Once it splits, each one sort of contains "one-eyed, one armed clown essence" and carries that essence to the towers which then broadcast the essence of that prototyping in all applicable ways. The concept of prototyping in this game was always about distilling the prototyped elements into something more symbolic, more essential, and customizing the whole game according to the merged ideals of those components. Just a bit more of this Platonic nonsense that kind of goes unspoken, that is up until these books, when I had to go and totally de-unspeak it like a friggin' loudmouth."
Phyiscal Book 1 page 170
"John Cusack is known to be a universal constant, and Homestuck confirms this truth canonically. Celebrities in general are cosmic constants, actually. Two separate universes could be created with somewhat varying laws of physics, but their celebs would still all be the same. They're actually more fundamental than physical laws, certain platonic concepts, or the aspects themselves. What's that? This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever said? Well, get outta here then. I'm gonna keep going with this. What sort of statement could I be making by asserting this truth? Hmm, let's see if I can make this shoe fit. Celebrities to us are bigger than just people, bigger than life actually. They're cultural touchstones. Like personified landmarks to let you know you haven't lost your bearings. To let you know you're still alive, here in this culture, and no matter what stupid things happen, or what our differences may be, we will always have a mutual, universal understanding and recognition of who these clownish, mediocre famous people are, and there's some comfort in that. Comfort on par with the basic understanding that gravity will always behave as you understand. Apples always fall from trees, and even if they bonk you on the head, there's still comfort in the reminder of this constancy. There, did I just make this horseshit work for you? You know I just did. You're probably mad now."
Physical Book 4 page 319
There are more mentions of it, but that's not important right now.
The Green Sun:
Its a massive Sun Twice the mass and size of a Genesis Frog its also the powerhouse of the First Guardians. And the biggest force of narrative in the Multiverse (Multiverse in HS reffers to everything that exist.)
Size and Powerhouse of First guardians:
Source: Homestuck (page 3041)
Its Narrative Power:
The Green Sun is what powered Up LE, but unlike First Guardian who only chanalize it power,he channalized most of it's power. This powered to the level of those like Andrew Hussie(He killed him, he who also created and controlled Homestuck story.) Ultimate Dirk, Alt. Calliope and the Director. (beings that view Paradox space as fiction or trascends it)
After Calliope became a blackhole and absorbed it, he was massively depowered.
The Narrative
Beyond the normal reach of Paradox Space is the Narrative/Story level characters. Here is where Lord English and co are.
You can reach this in several ways:
- Being an Author like being like Hussie or The Director.
- Being an Ultimate self(Dirk Strider)
- Absorb or power up by the Green Sun(Calliope and Lord English)
And control the stories that makes up Homestuck verse:
Powered by the green sun: LE and Calliope.
Ultimate self:
Authorial Entities:
One created And drew Homestuck and viewed it as fiction (Andrew Hussie who got killed by Lord English)
The Other Created Hiveswap Friendsim and Pesterquest(in the same extra canonical story) and call it, "her game".
Pesterquest/Hiveswap Friendsim and Homestuck are both stories.
PesterQuest/Hiveswap Friendsim is just another version of it, thats why MSPA reader asked about the "other story".
Power between them:
Calliope:
Alt. Calliope easily overpowered Dirk and took control of the narrative.
And stated to be stronger than Lord English, even on his prime(This was pre Absorbing him):
Source: Homestuck Epilogues (Candy Route: page 40)
She also consumed LE escence, obtaining even more powers:
Source: Homestuck Epilogues (Meat Route: page 44)
The Director:
The Director fought with Dirk for a while and took control of the Narrative.
Dirk:
Ult. Dirk was a bigger threat to Calliope who is more powerful than Lord English(including his prime)
Lord English:
Lord English Killed Andrew Hussie.
As of Now, MY understanding of the power is like this:
Calliope Post LE Absorbtion>Calliope>=The Director>Dirk>LE>Andrew Hussie
They're on the same scale of existence, As Both Hussie and The Director Has the same level of effect over the Narrative as Ultimate Dirk (who lose to Alt. Calliope and Upscales to Lord English)
While Dirk is at the same level of power as the Cherubs:
Other Places
- Metaphysical Nexus(The Afterw@rd): There's a Metaphysical Nexus. That leads to where AH and The Director were. A point of Connection between Homestuck and Pesterquest/Hiveswap Friendsim
- Post-Canon: This is were almost(excluding Meat Iteration of the Timeline) everything in Homestuck^2 takes place.
- Out Of Canon: There's also another Nothingness. But Unlike the Furthest Ring. This One is outside Canon, I guess...?
- And For Last. there's the place where John and Co. got sealed, inside the Juju of Caliborn . Between Fanon, Canon, Post Canon, non-canon and outside of canon.
