Tetsujin

Mayuri’s Bankai is literally Batman with prep-time, IIRC.

This is a good one. I think Denji *might* win this one on a technicality, though. Asa and Denji are currently both amped beyond their normal levels of strength, since the world has a heightened sense of fear towards Chainsaw Man and War.

If it wasn’t for that, I’d go with Tanjiro. The Hero of Hell form would solo the KnY-verse, but you excluded it, so yeah

There’s also the fact that, under most circumstances, you can’t apply physical strength at those levels.

Say Hulk does use infinite strength to attempt to lift Mjolnir. Chances are, the planet he’s standing on would buckle under his feet.

You would *need* a planet or location that could withstand that level of physical force, and that’s not something that’s ordinarily available.

So yeah, this is turning into a semantics debate. I specifically said TOAA “only” using physical strength (or infinite kinetic energy). That means not using any other abilities whatsoever.

Can TOAA, in that specific situation, lift Mjolnir?

@jay_z94:

Infinite power does NOT mean the capability to do anything. That’s omnipotence. That’s distinctly different. YOU’RE conflating overall power level with something it isn’t.

When I say infinite strength, I’m talking about infinite force, or infinite kinetic energy. So then the question becomes, can infinite kinetic energy move Mjolnir?

I think it would. I don’t think there’s been an opportunity where that could be adequately showcased. However, I do think it’s also possible that Mjolnir would be destroyed before it would be moved, and at that point, moving it would be a lesser achievement.

@jay_z94: Physical strength is power. Or rather, can be power.

The enchantment on Mjolnir has a finite amount of power. Infinite strength has, well, infinite amounts of power.

How can something with finite power (the enchantment on Mjolnir) overpower something with infinite power (infinite strength)?

@jay_z94:

So you’re saying if TOAA, using nothing but physical strength, couldn’t lift the hammer?

Because I don’t believe that for a second.

@jay_z94:

Can’t say I agree with this. If the physical strength exceeds the power of the enchantment, it could be lifted.

Unless you’re trying to suggest that the enchantment has infinite power?

@rajjarsalt:

Let’s be completely honest here. The only reason you’re making this distinction is because if you didn’t, the Hulk vs. Thor debate would forever be closed. Nothing Thor could ever do would put him on TOBA/TOAA level.

Why wouldn’t TOBA Hulk count as a Hulk form?

Sure, it’s TOAA, but Hulk is still the chosen avatar. That’s like saying Juggernaut isn’t fighting, it’s Cyttorak.