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EoS Sasuke is beyond Sung at the moment. There is no question that Sung Jin will eventually reach a higher level than any Naruto character, but he's not there yet.

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#3  Edited By onilordasmodeus

Deep Sea King punched Saitama so hard that the rain stopped for like 20 or 30 seconds. Has any Titan even approached that level of power? Also, with that punch, Niether Saitama or DSK felt any pain, broke any bones, or really flinched at all, that means DSK's durability is WAY up there too.

DSK takes this with relative ease.

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Nah that’s not even how that works tho. Do we have a confirmation that the animated movies are connected to the games As well? We can’t just assume it’s canon because of the multiple timeline thing going on in the games Currently. plus we can’t even apply feats across timelines for different versions as they display different powerlvls in the games anyway.

The movies are as connected to the MKU as MKvsDCU, or MKSM, or the various game endings. And sure you have to take context into account for all these things when comparing timelines and power-levels, but yes, regardless, it is all fair game.

again that’s not how that works. Until it’s stated to be connected to the games it isn’t connected to the games at all. unless it’s confirmed in story or dialogue we can’t just assume it’s a different timeline from the games.

no If we want to play that game tho do we assume that every animated Batman or dc show is canon because dc has multiple universes? No so we don’t do the same with mk unless stated otherwise

The way you are thinking of things being "connected" is pretty restrictive. These are all MK stories, and nothing being told or shown in them is outside of the realm of possibility in the games. But yeah, all the animated DC movies or else-world comics may be non-canon to the main DC universe, but the feats within are not outside of the realm of possibility for those characters? Those movies are used all the time here on CV for instance.

The stories may not be canon persay, but the feats shown therein, as long as they are analogous to the character, are things that character can do.

mk vs dc should just not be canon as it honestly makes zero sense if we take injustice seriously. lex in mk vs dc is obviously evil but in injustice he was always good.

either way if it’s canon it’s canon at least it was confirmed.

We agree. But honestly, in the context of this "debate" I feel like you are trying to "win" rather than actually absorbing what is being said and applying it.

If Scorpion CANONICALLY fought Superman (and won mind you), then what is your objection to the feats within the 'Scorpion's Revenge' movie?

but here’s the thing. We can’t assume that the animated movies are canon to the games. We need a confirmation that it’s a alternate timeline from the games.

I suggest you do some research. There are MANY interviews out there that talk about these things. While I'm looking and listening (again) to things right now, I suggest you do the same and find out some of these answers for yourself.

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@dmnb2wavy: I would have agreed with you on the non-canon thing pre-MK11, but here in the now that doesn't apply. It kind of makes it unfair in a way / or fair depending on how you look at it, but since MK11's "multiple timelines" thing, everything is canon now.

Sure not everything happened in the main timeline, but everything that is shown (feats specifically) for these characters (movies, web-shorts, comics, video-games, video-game endings...), all those things that were officially licensed and the feats within are now officially things that these characters have done / can do since it all is in the "MK universe".

Think Sun dipped Superman. He can do that, and can get that strong, but he didn't do it in the new 52...but is its still canon. In fact, it is exactly the way the DCU does it...since MK is not pretty much a DCU property now.

  • There is a canon timeline where Liu and Kung are "tricked" into killing a bunch of Kahn's henchmen and Shang Tsung uses their souls to get stronger (MKSM).
  • MK4 through Armageddon is canon.
  • Even MK vs DCU is canon...sort of. Read here.

Kronika's whole deal was that she was fashioning, and re-fashioning, the MKU over and over again until she got it the way she wanted to. That is how we got like 4 VERY different versions of Kabal. She is why we have DOZENS of endings that "never happened"...because they did happen, only Kronika didn't like them so she discarded them.It was even said that Kronika restarted timelines in between some of the canon games! Which was the given explanation for why Scorpion and Sub's rivalry continued after MK2.

It is all crazy, and can be pretty dumb if you dig WAY to deep, but yeah...it's true. Lol!

@paleblood: See my above post.

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@lenzo0: That has always been the case. MK gets no respect on CV.

Anyway, with MK11 and the most recent MK animated movie, Scorpion got a big upgrade in the "show-able feats"...

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Off rip, Scorpion should be faster than Slade, but when you add teleportation in there he is WAY faster. I mean Slade has fought people with his type of speed before, but these feats go to show that Slade DOES NOT outclass Scorpion in speed, reaction time, skill, or even versatility.

This is a pretty even match...when Scorpion is mandated to hold back. Lol!

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Immediately I think it comes down to Sparrow, Kenway, and Sinbad. The others just woun't be able to cut it.

R1: Maybe Sinbad. The toonforce seems strong with this guy.

R2: Kenway. He is an expert shot, and his Mayan Armor deflects bullets so he's safe from any shots directed towards him.

R3: Not really sure. I want to go with Kenway (Jackdaw), but the Black Pearl (Sparrow) may be faster. That beig said, a completely decked out Jackdaw is beyond such "Legendary" ships.

R4: Kenway. With a superior ship, superior crew (Adewale has his own suit of weapons and gear), and his Mayan Artifacts, none of these guys stand a chance.

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Nice troll thread. Lol!

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i no longer care about this whole canon and non canon thing but no I disagree with this.

Generally I agree with you as it pertains to CV, but with Akuma specifically, his noncanon feats are so out of the realm of the regular canon, that you have have to be careful. blowing up moons, or punching meteors is non in Akuma's character.

  • Both Liu and Shang are casually lightning speed (and I would argue they were this fast pre Titan level power)

what evidence proves that before their power ups they can move at lightning speeds? And even after their power up I still disagree.

nightwolf had to run from bullets, rev. Kang has to sit behind boulders from bullets, the fact bullets still move to these characters prove they aren’t close to lightning at all.

Both Shang and Liu have been shown to be able to fight Raiden straight up. Unless you are prepared to prove that Raiden, a being made up of lightning, doesn't move a lightning speeds, or that the lighting he produces doesn't move at lightning speeds, I don't know what to tell you.

I've decided to just take things a face value at this point. Lightning is lightning. Liu with his chi, and Shang with his magik, are well beyond human stats. In order for them to fight and defeat a being who can move, shoot, direct, and become lightning, they they themselves have to be able to react to, and/or move like lightning. Shang specifically can create portals through reality, breaking the law of physics completely, teleporting himself and other people all over the universe. He can even morph into Raiden directly and manipulate lightning himself...but he can't react to, or move at, those speeds?

As for the fight tho whatever is canon or non canon idc at this point so in their god forms they would win Just from hax and powers alone but not because of speed.

Sounds like you are in a bit of denial, but whatever...