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Punisher Runs the MK Gauntlet

Punisher runs the MK Gauntlet

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Rules:

  • 2 minute rest between rounds.
  • No prep or intel
  • Punisher has standard gear (automatic rifle, combat knives, 2 pistols)
  • Punisher starts each round with his knives and Riffle holstered, and a pistol drawn at his side.
  • MK characters can use all powers, weapons, and/or abilities from any game or comic

Round 1:

De-cloaking in front of Frank, Reptile takes his stance and attacks...

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Round 2:

Mileena teleports onto the field. Surveying reptile's body on the ground, she locks eyes with Frank and attacks...

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Round 3:

Falling from the sky above, Kintaro lands in Earth quaking fashion, roars, and then attacks Frank...

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Round 4:

Appearing in a green flash, Ermac silently takes his stance...

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Round 5:

Stryker has been watching from the rooftops and comes down to confront Frank. A fight ensues immediately.

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Definitely stops at 4.

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Ermacs Tele is just to strong.

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Honestly doubts he gets past 1

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He makes it to round four max, if he even gets that far.

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Punisher on his best day I'll give him til round 4

But truthfully, he's not making it past one. Reptile is just too fast and volatile. And why is Stryker LAST?

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Punisher stops at 3, Kintaro will do this to him what he did to Kabal lol(who also had guns, weapons) I see the same outcome. This is of course assuming he gets passed Reptile and Mileena.

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Punisher stops and thinks what he's doing with his life by thinking he has a chance here.

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Doesn't get past Reptile

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Frank puts a bullet in all of their heads but stops at Ermac, not sure if that would kill him or not..

I'm questioning why Stryker is above him though..

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I dont think he gets past round 1.

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He beats everyone who can't dodge gun fire. Gets the s**t beaten out of him by everyone who can.

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Stops at 4 and it's a 50/50 chance there. If he beats Ermac he shits on Stryker

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Stops at 4...should be good and tired by then...Unless he has the Punisher War Van...then he clears.

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@dondave: @bruxae: @scorpion2501: @monsterstomp: @bladenb: @juiceboks: @deathandgrim:

Why do people think "Frank can't get past Reptile", or that "he stops at Ermac," when Stryker, who everybody here says 'Frank craps on him,' ran this same gauntlet and won?

The reason I put Stryker last is because he can, and has, beaten all these MK guys in the same fashion as this gauntlet.

You guys lowball Stryker too much.

FYI:

"Each kontestant invited to the Tournament has spent years in practice and meditation to perfect his/her martial arts skills. All of the Mortal Kombat Warriors possess expert fighting skills."

Stryker is an "expert" practitioner of Hua Chuan style Kung Fu, as well as an "expert" in the use of various melee weapons such as nightsticks (tonfa). He also uses various other "tools" in cqc such as his taser and mag-light which add to his mid/close range arsenal. Stryker is also an "expert" marksman to round out his mid/long range skills, on top of being an expert tactician who experienced in the use of various explosives (c4, grenades, etc.).

Styrker uses all these/his tools and skills to be the "one-man swat team" that he is characterized in the games.

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Can frank detect invisible creatures? Can he resist acid? Seriously doubt he can beat reptile....

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Honestly doubts he gets past 1

Punisher on his best day I'll give him til round 4

But truthfully, he's not making it past one. Reptile is just too fast and volatile. And why is Stryker LAST?

@dondave said:

Doesn't get past Reptile

What's preventing Frank from shooting Reptile in the face, cutting off his tongue and leaving a grenade up his ass?

Too fast? Considering Frank has tagged targets moving at mach 2, has tagged Spider-Man and Daredevil? And Reptile's combat speed isn't anything to for Frank to be threatened by.

Can frank detect invisible creatures? Can he resist acid? Seriously doubt he can beat reptile....

He has on numerous occasions fought in the dark with the same efficiency as he has with light. Reptile cloaking for a few seconds won't hinder Frank whatsoever.

Perhaps not, but I think the more appropriate question would be: can Reptile tag Frank with it? To which the appropriate answer is, no.

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@cdiddyman911 said:

Honestly doubts he gets past 1

@deathandgrim said:

Punisher on his best day I'll give him til round 4

But truthfully, he's not making it past one. Reptile is just too fast and volatile. And why is Stryker LAST?

@dondave said:

Doesn't get past Reptile

What's preventing Frank from shooting Reptile in the face, cutting off his tongue and leaving a grenade up his ass?

Too fast? Considering Frank has tagged targets moving at mach 2, has tagged Spider-Man and Daredevil? And Reptile's combat speed isn't anything to for Frank to be threatened by.

@hyperbertha said:

Can frank detect invisible creatures? Can he resist acid? Seriously doubt he can beat reptile....

He has on numerous occasions fought in the dark with the same efficiency as he has with light. Reptile cloaking for a few seconds won't hinder Frank whatsoever.

Perhaps not, but I think the more appropriate question would be: can Reptile tag Frank with it? To which the appropriate answer is, no.

Reptile is capable of spraying large amounts of acid from his mouth which should be impossible for a human to dodge. This is his fatality. Reptile also is capable of moving with inhuman speeds and has greater strength.

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@i_like_swords said:

@cdiddyman911 said:

Honestly doubts he gets past 1

@deathandgrim said:

Punisher on his best day I'll give him til round 4

But truthfully, he's not making it past one. Reptile is just too fast and volatile. And why is Stryker LAST?

@dondave said:

Doesn't get past Reptile

What's preventing Frank from shooting Reptile in the face, cutting off his tongue and leaving a grenade up his ass?

Too fast? Considering Frank has tagged targets moving at mach 2, has tagged Spider-Man and Daredevil? And Reptile's combat speed isn't anything to for Frank to be threatened by.

@hyperbertha said:

Can frank detect invisible creatures? Can he resist acid? Seriously doubt he can beat reptile....

He has on numerous occasions fought in the dark with the same efficiency as he has with light. Reptile cloaking for a few seconds won't hinder Frank whatsoever.

Perhaps not, but I think the more appropriate question would be: can Reptile tag Frank with it? To which the appropriate answer is, no.

Reptile is capable of spraying large amounts of acid from his mouth which should be impossible for a human to dodge. This is his fatality. Reptile also is capable of moving with inhuman speeds and has greater strength.

What's stopping Frank from shooting him in the head?

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Reptile has also shown he can use his acid to make a sheild to protect himself from bullets too. Shown in MK 9 Stryker story.

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@hyperbertha said:

@i_like_swords said:

@cdiddyman911 said:

Honestly doubts he gets past 1

@deathandgrim said:

Punisher on his best day I'll give him til round 4

But truthfully, he's not making it past one. Reptile is just too fast and volatile. And why is Stryker LAST?

@dondave said:

Doesn't get past Reptile

What's preventing Frank from shooting Reptile in the face, cutting off his tongue and leaving a grenade up his ass?

Too fast? Considering Frank has tagged targets moving at mach 2, has tagged Spider-Man and Daredevil? And Reptile's combat speed isn't anything to for Frank to be threatened by.

@hyperbertha said:

Can frank detect invisible creatures? Can he resist acid? Seriously doubt he can beat reptile....

He has on numerous occasions fought in the dark with the same efficiency as he has with light. Reptile cloaking for a few seconds won't hinder Frank whatsoever.

Perhaps not, but I think the more appropriate question would be: can Reptile tag Frank with it? To which the appropriate answer is, no.

Reptile is capable of spraying large amounts of acid from his mouth which should be impossible for a human to dodge. This is his fatality. Reptile also is capable of moving with inhuman speeds and has greater strength.

What's stopping Frank from shooting him in the head?

Invisibility. He can use a combination of invisibility and speed to blitz frank. Him tagging daredevil is not much of a feat against reptile and tagging Spiderman is plot induced as far as I know. Besides a bullet to the head wouldn't put reptile down.

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@hyperbertha: He would of been shot as he turns invisible, and besides, how often does he even turn invisible? I only saw him do it once during a fatality.

Speed? What's so great about his speed like? Tagging Daredevil isn't much of a feat.. you mean the Daredevil that deflects and redirects bullets on a regular basis and has agility rivaling Spider-Man? Okay.

Don't see what was plot induced by it. It's a common theme that capable marksmen can give Spider-Man problems. Why wouldn't a bullet to the head put him down?

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@dondave: @bruxae: @scorpion2501: @monsterstomp: @bladenb: @juiceboks: @deathandgrim:

Why do people think "Frank can't get past Reptile", or that "he stops at Ermac," when Stryker, who everybody here says 'Frank craps on him,' ran this same gauntlet and won?

The reason I put Stryker last is because he can, and has, beaten all these MK guys in the same fashion as this gauntlet.

You guys lowball Stryker too much.

FYI:

"Each kontestant invited to the Tournament has spent years in practice and meditation to perfect his/her martial arts skills. All of the Mortal Kombat Warriors possess expert fighting skills."

Stryker is an "expert" practitioner of Hua Chuan style Kung Fu, as well as an "expert" in the use of various melee weapons such as nightsticks (tonfa). He also uses various other "tools" in cqc such as his taser and mag-light which add to his mid/close range arsenal. Stryker is also an "expert" marksman to round out his mid/long range skills, on top of being an expert tactician who experienced in the use of various explosives (c4, grenades, etc.).

Styrker uses all these/his tools and skills to be the "one-man swat team" that he is characterized in the games.

stryker isnt in the tournament he's in by mistake and his skills are acceptional, he's in by mistake cause kabal was his partner and he went missing and the others far exceed his talents and physiology thats why they said that (ermach is 10 different souls put in one) and reptile is a freakin giant lizard who disapears lol so yea its ordered wrong

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@i_like_swords: He turns invisible all the time. Its his ability and he can do it whenever he wants since every battle he is in shows him being invisible (in the games). And how is daredevil's agility comparable to that of Spiderman? DD is peak human while Spiderman is superhuman.

Reptile tanks bullets to the head (in games).

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@hyperbertha: So we've established there's nothing stopping Frank from landing bullets as soon as the fight starts.

Because he has superhuman balance and senses, which allows him to perform crazy acrobatic stunts. Combine that with years of experience. Daredevil is extremely elusive, and Frank tagging him warrants him being able to hit Reptile for fun.

Is gameplay even canon? I mean, in games there's always plenty of attacks that would kill in a cutscene, but actual gameplay can't allow one hit kills for the sake of playability. Let me ask this - can the characters who fire bullets in gameplay, kill other characters with bullets in fatalities? Because if so then it's safe to say Frank unloading an M4 into Reptiles head will do the job.

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@hyperbertha: So we've established there's nothing stopping Frank from landing bullets as soon as the fight starts.

Because he has superhuman balance and senses, which allows him to perform crazy acrobatic stunts. Combine that with years of experience. Daredevil is extremely elusive, and Frank tagging him warrants him being able to hit Reptile for fun.

Is gameplay even canon? I mean, in games there's always plenty of attacks that would kill in a cutscene, but actual gameplay can't allow one hit kills for the sake of playability. Let me ask this - can the characters who fire bullets in gameplay, kill other characters with bullets in fatalities? Because if so then it's safe to say Frank unloading an M4 into Reptiles head will do the job.

When did we establish that?

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@hyperbertha: When you didn't counter how tagging Daredevil and Spider-Man is impressive.

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stryker isnt in the tournament he's in by mistake and his skills are acceptional, he's in by mistake cause kabal was his partner and he went missing and the others far exceed his talents and physiology thats why they said that (ermach is 10 different souls put in one) and reptile is a freakin giant lizard who disapears lol so yea its ordered wrong

Stryker's involvement in the MK3 series and in MK9 wasn't by "accident". After Kahn crossed over to Earth, he soul drained the planet and killed everyone...

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Stryker was specifically chosen by Raiden because of his skills to fight against Kahn's forces, and in MK9 Raiden sent out Nightwolf to specifically find him and recruit him to be one of Earth defenders.

Along with the fact that Stryker is one of MK's proper chosen warriors, Raiden acknowledges Stryker's skills, and he beat some great fighters in the MK3/MK9 story to prove those skills.

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@hyperbertha: So we've established there's nothing stopping Frank from landing bullets as soon as the fight starts.

Because he has superhuman balance and senses, which allows him to perform crazy acrobatic stunts. Combine that with years of experience. Daredevil is extremely elusive, and Frank tagging him warrants him being able to hit Reptile for fun.

Is gameplay even canon? I mean, in games there's always plenty of attacks that would kill in a cutscene, but actual gameplay can't allow one hit kills for the sake of playability. Let me ask this - can the characters who fire bullets in gameplay, kill other characters with bullets in fatalities? Because if so then it's safe to say Frank unloading an M4 into Reptiles head will do the job.

1) Reptile has dodged bullets in close range, from an "expert" marksman, and he's also dodged gun fire as he was climbing up the vertical face of a building, up to the roof top. Reptile is superhumanly fast, strong, and agile, with above human reactions, on top of his invisibility and other attributes. IMO it would be a wash at the beginning because as fast as Frank could draw his weapon, Reptile could be on top of him or be using his tongue to attack him/strip him of his weapon.

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2) Gameplay, as far as tanking bullets, isn't canon, but MK characters do have the durability to be thrown/blown through concrete walls and still continue fighting which is supported by gameplay as well as the comics. Things like MK9 x-ray moves, or any of the Fatatlies, those could kill many MK characters under normal circumstances (just like the could kill many other characters), and in those cases, those moves just show the damage a character can inflict, not what they can live through.

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@hyperbertha: So we've established there's nothing stopping Frank from landing bullets as soon as the fight starts.

Because he has superhuman balance and senses, which allows him to perform crazy acrobatic stunts. Combine that with years of experience. Daredevil is extremely elusive, and Frank tagging him warrants him being able to hit Reptile for fun.

Is gameplay even canon? I mean, in games there's always plenty of attacks that would kill in a cutscene, but actual gameplay can't allow one hit kills for the sake of playability. Let me ask this - can the characters who fire bullets in gameplay, kill other characters with bullets in fatalities? Because if so then it's safe to say Frank unloading an M4 into Reptiles head will do the job.

1) Reptile has dodged bullets in close range, from an "expert" marksman, and he's also dodged gun fire as he was climbing up the vertical face of a building, up to the roof top. Reptile is superhumanly fast, strong, and agile, with above human reactions, on top of his invisibility and other attributes. IMO it would be a wash at the beginning because as fast as Frank could draw his weapon, Reptile could be on top of him or be using his tongue to attack him/strip him of his weapon.

2) Gameplay, as far as tanking bullets, isn't canon, but MK characters do have the durability to be thrown/blown through concrete walls and still continue fighting which is supported by gameplay as well as the comics. Things like MK9 x-ray moves, or any of the Fatatlies, those could kill many MK characters under normal circumstances (just like the could kill many other characters), and in those cases, those moves just show the damage a character can inflict, not what they can live through.

1) This expert marksman still doesn't hold a candle to Frank. Reptile can be superhuman all he wants, but Frank has tagged a speedster moving at mach 2, Daredevil and Spider-Man. Also, if you think a fight should be a wash then you probably shouldn't make it.. nevertheless, you're seriously underestimating Franks reaction speed. He's deflected Captain Americas shield throw before, and is a bullet timer. There is literally nothing stopping him from shooting Reptile in the head with an automatic machine gun.

Also, the fact that Reptile has purposely dodged bullets only serves to show that he can be killed by them.

2) Er.. lots of peak humans can do that, especially someone like Frank who has some of the best endurance in comics.

So yeah. I'm just going to hold the stance that Frank is going to shoot Reptile. It's as simple as that.

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@i_like_swords said:

@hyperbertha: So we've established there's nothing stopping Frank from landing bullets as soon as the fight starts.

Because he has superhuman balance and senses, which allows him to perform crazy acrobatic stunts. Combine that with years of experience. Daredevil is extremely elusive, and Frank tagging him warrants him being able to hit Reptile for fun.

Is gameplay even canon? I mean, in games there's always plenty of attacks that would kill in a cutscene, but actual gameplay can't allow one hit kills for the sake of playability. Let me ask this - can the characters who fire bullets in gameplay, kill other characters with bullets in fatalities? Because if so then it's safe to say Frank unloading an M4 into Reptiles head will do the job.

1) Reptile has dodged bullets in close range, from an "expert" marksman, and he's also dodged gun fire as he was climbing up the vertical face of a building, up to the roof top. Reptile is superhumanly fast, strong, and agile, with above human reactions, on top of his invisibility and other attributes. IMO it would be a wash at the beginning because as fast as Frank could draw his weapon, Reptile could be on top of him or be using his tongue to attack him/strip him of his weapon.

2) Gameplay, as far as tanking bullets, isn't canon, but MK characters do have the durability to be thrown/blown through concrete walls and still continue fighting which is supported by gameplay as well as the comics. Things like MK9 x-ray moves, or any of the Fatatlies, those could kill many MK characters under normal circumstances (just like the could kill many other characters), and in those cases, those moves just show the damage a character can inflict, not what they can live through.

1) This expert marksman still doesn't hold a candle to Frank. Reptile can be superhuman all he wants, but Frank has tagged a speedster moving at mach 2, Daredevil and Spider-Man. Also, if you think a fight should be a wash then you probably shouldn't make it.. nevertheless, you're seriously underestimating Franks reaction speed. He's deflected Captain Americas shield throw before, and is a bullet timer. There is literally nothing stopping him from shooting Reptile in the head with an automatic machine gun.

Also, the fact that Reptile has purposely dodged bullets only serves to show that he can be killed by them.

2) Er.. lots of peak humans can do that, especially someone like Frank who has some of the best endurance in comics.

So yeah. I'm just going to hold the stance that Frank is going to shoot Reptile. It's as simple as that.

love the punisher but ermach is basically immortal..., best endurance... not, lets just ignore the fact that reptile spits acid and turns invisible, and lets just ignore the cat goro too, he didnt "tag spiderman" he missed captain america and they are from a planet where the durability is way higher then earths street levelers

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love the punisher but ermach is basically immortal..., best endurance... not, lets just ignore the fact that reptile spits acid and turns invisible, and lets just ignore the cat goro too, he didnt "tag spiderman" he missed captain america and they are from a planet where the durability is way higher then earths street levelers

Wasn't talking about ermach.

I didn't ignore that at all. I've proven that Frank is quicker on the draw than Reptile and I think it's safe to say bullets travel faster than acid. And I already countered the invisible argument, not that I need to.

Yes he did tag Spider-Man. He also shot off his webshooters.

Countering a good feat with a low showing (not that missing Cap even is a low showing given he has much better feats than bloody Reptile) isn't a good way to structure your argument.

They can be from whatever planet they want but it doesn't change the fact that three AR rounds to the skull will leave them like paste.

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@donnergeist:

love the punisher but ermach is basically immortal..., best endurance... not, lets just ignore the fact that reptile spits acid and turns invisible, and lets just ignore the cat goro too, he didnt "tag spiderman" he missed captain america and they are from a planet where the durability is way higher then earths street levelers

Wasn't talking about ermach.

I didn't ignore that at all. I've proven that Frank is quicker on the draw than Reptile and I think it's safe to say bullets travel faster than acid. And I already countered the invisible argument, not that I need to.

Yes he did tag Spider-Man. He also shot off his webshooters.

Countering a good feat with a low showing (not that missing Cap even is a low showing given he has much better feats than bloody Reptile) isn't a good way to structure your argument.

They can be from whatever planet they want but it doesn't change the fact that three AR rounds to the skull will leave them like paste.

then how come punisher got captured by jigsaw? :) and was forced to watch his friend die

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@i_like_swords said:

@donnergeist:

love the punisher but ermach is basically immortal..., best endurance... not, lets just ignore the fact that reptile spits acid and turns invisible, and lets just ignore the cat goro too, he didnt "tag spiderman" he missed captain america and they are from a planet where the durability is way higher then earths street levelers

Wasn't talking about ermach.

I didn't ignore that at all. I've proven that Frank is quicker on the draw than Reptile and I think it's safe to say bullets travel faster than acid. And I already countered the invisible argument, not that I need to.

Yes he did tag Spider-Man. He also shot off his webshooters.

Countering a good feat with a low showing (not that missing Cap even is a low showing given he has much better feats than bloody Reptile) isn't a good way to structure your argument.

They can be from whatever planet they want but it doesn't change the fact that three AR rounds to the skull will leave them like paste.

then how come punisher got captured by jigsaw? :) and was forced to watch his friend die

That's completely irrelevant...

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1) This expert marksman still doesn't hold a candle to Frank. Reptile can be superhuman all he wants, but Frank has tagged a speedster moving at mach 2, Daredevil and Spider-Man. Also, if you think a fight should be a wash then you probably shouldn't make it.. nevertheless, you're seriously underestimating Franks reaction speed. He's deflected Captain Americas shield throw before, and is a bullet timer. There is literally nothing stopping him from shooting Reptile in the head with an automatic machine gun.

Also, the fact that Reptile has purposely dodged bullets only serves to show that he can be killed by them.

2) Er.. lots of peak humans can do that, especially someone like Frank who has some of the best endurance in comics.

So yeah. I'm just going to hold the stance that Frank is going to shoot Reptile. It's as simple as that.

You misunderstand me, and the reason for my posts in this thread. Also, I think you are trying to make it seem like I said something I didn't.

1) Frank's skill in marksmanship can be categorized as "expert" just as Stryker's is. Now...if you want to say that Frank's skill is beyond Stryker's, then that is another matter all together, and it is one you'll have to prove. If you want to try and use 'Frank vs DD/SM' as a proof of what you say, that is fine, but you've at least got to prove your points rather than just stating them.

From my perspective, sure DD is fast; sure his reactions are ridiculous; but no, DD isn't on SM's level in speed or reaction time at all. Do you have a scan or something to support your assertions of DD's speed? Can you prove Frank's skill in contention with those feats of speed?

2) In the case of Reptile specifically, I said, "...IMO it would be a wash at the beginning...", meaning that neither fighter would have advantage at the beginning. IMO, Frank would be forced to fight Reptile up close because of Reptile's speed and skill, and the evidence shows that shooting him really isn't an option unless Frank can get the drop on him...unless you have scans that say otherwise...??

And nobody is saying that Reptile is immune to gunfire, or that he could survive being shot in the head; where you got that I don't know. Sure IF Frank can shoot Reptile he'd be hurt and or die, but first he has to shoot him...and that is the thing. Forgive me if when you just say he could just shoot him, that I (and others) don't immediately concede the point.

3) The durability bit, you seem to think I'm arguing that MK characters are more durable than comic characters or something. I'm not. All I'm saying is that they are durable, and I was giving you an example to go off of. Nothing more, nothing less.

Regardless, you are free to have your own opinion, but I think you are just choosing not to see the whole story just cause you don't want to. If you think Frank clears that is fine, but just show your work...if you can.

For the record, IDK if Frank could clear, and that is why I made the thread.

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@donnergeist said:

@i_like_swords said:

@donnergeist:

love the punisher but ermach is basically immortal..., best endurance... not, lets just ignore the fact that reptile spits acid and turns invisible, and lets just ignore the cat goro too, he didnt "tag spiderman" he missed captain america and they are from a planet where the durability is way higher then earths street levelers

Wasn't talking about ermach.

I didn't ignore that at all. I've proven that Frank is quicker on the draw than Reptile and I think it's safe to say bullets travel faster than acid. And I already countered the invisible argument, not that I need to.

Yes he did tag Spider-Man. He also shot off his webshooters.

Countering a good feat with a low showing (not that missing Cap even is a low showing given he has much better feats than bloody Reptile) isn't a good way to structure your argument.

They can be from whatever planet they want but it doesn't change the fact that three AR rounds to the skull will leave them like paste.

then how come punisher got captured by jigsaw? :) and was forced to watch his friend die

That's completely irrelevant...

no its not

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I always figured most of the Mortal Kombat characters were superhuman levels of strength/endurance/agility/speed.

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You misunderstand me, and the reason for my posts in this thread. Also, I think you are trying to make it seem like I said something I didn't.

1) Frank's skill in marksmanship can be categorized as "expert" just as Stryker's is. Now...if you want to say that Frank's skill is beyond Stryker's, then that is another matter all together, and it is one you'll have to prove. If you want to try and use 'Frank vs DD/SM' as a proof of what you say, that is fine, but you've at least got to prove your points rather than just stating them.

From my perspective, sure DD is fast; sure his reactions are ridiculous; but no, DD isn't on SM's level in speed or reaction time at all. Do you have a scan or something to support your assertions of DD's speed? Can you prove Frank's skill in contention with those feats of speed?

2) In the case of Reptile specifically, I said, "...IMO it would be a wash at the beginning...", meaning that neither fighter would have advantage at the beginning. IMO, Frank would be forced to fight Reptile up close because of Reptile's speed and skill, and the evidence shows that shooting him really isn't an option unless Frank can get the drop on him...unless you have scans that say otherwise...??

And nobody is saying that Reptile is immune to gunfire, or that he could survive being shot in the head; where you got that I don't know. Sure IF Frank can shoot Reptile he'd be hurt and or die, but first he has to shoot him...and that is the thing. Forgive me if when you just say he could just shoot him, that I (and others) don't immediately concede the point.

3) The durability bit, you seem to think I'm arguing that MK characters are more durable than comic characters or something. I'm not. All I'm saying is that they are durable, and I was giving you an example to go off of. Nothing more, nothing less.

Regardless, you are free to have your own opinion, but I think you are just choosing not to see the whole story just cause you don't want to. If you think Frank clears that is fine, but just show your work...if you can.

For the record, IDK if Frank could clear, and that is why I made the thread.

1) Categories are nothing more than titles. Frank could be categorized as "Adept", "Master", "Intermediate" and it still wouldn't change the fact that he has better accuracy feats than anyone Reptile has dodged gunfire from, and the people he's tagged are far faster and more agile than Reptile. Here is the proof you are after:

Punisher shoots Spider-Man + webshooters, Daredevil, Wolverine, Daken and a speedster named Burnout who was travelling at mach 2 speeds. All people with superior speed feats to Reptile.

I'm not a fan of Daredevil at the moment but I have seen his feats (same with the likes of Wolverine), so if you then need me to dig up their feats I will do so.

2) Well as the scans above show, Reptile isn't getting close without eating bullets. If someone who is travelling towards Punisher at mach 2 gets caught, Reptile sure as hell is.

Hyperbertha was saying something about Reptile being able to tank bullets so that's where that came from.

Yeah sorry, I didn't mean to make it seem like my view point was fact, and people should always question something before they see proof of it. But I'm 99% sure that Punisher can kill Reptile based on what I've shown and seen so far.

3) I was just saying, getting put through a wall isn't extraordinary and that type of feat wouldn't hinder Frank winning against Reptile.

It's not just that I have an opinion and I'm ignoring the other teams feats. I'm just saying, there is nothing stopping Punisher from shooting Reptile. Also, I haven't even began arguing for the rest of the gauntlet, I've only been covering Reptile at this moment in time.

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What's preventing Frank from shooting Reptile in the face, cutting off his tongue and leaving a grenade up his ass?

Stryker has tried shooting Reptile, Reptile just sprayed acid in the atmosphere and the bullets vaporized right in from of him.

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What's preventing Frank from shooting Reptile in the face, cutting off his tongue and leaving a grenade up his ass?

Stryker has tried shooting Reptile, Reptile just sprayed acid in the atmosphere and the bullets vaporized right in from of him.

Stryker ain't Frank.

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@monsterstomp said:

@i_like_swords

What's preventing Frank from shooting Reptile in the face, cutting off his tongue and leaving a grenade up his ass?

Stryker has tried shooting Reptile, Reptile just sprayed acid in the atmosphere and the bullets vaporized right in from of him.

Stryker ain't Frank.

But bullets are bullets.

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@i_like_swords said:

@monsterstomp said:

@i_like_swords

What's preventing Frank from shooting Reptile in the face, cutting off his tongue and leaving a grenade up his ass?

Stryker has tried shooting Reptile, Reptile just sprayed acid in the atmosphere and the bullets vaporized right in from of him.

Stryker ain't Frank.

But bullets are bullets.

The person firing them makes the difference.

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@monsterstomp: Anyone can pick up a gun and fire, but it takes a good marksman to hit hard targets. That's why lots of people can't hit Spider-Man and Daredevil, but Frank can. If Frank can hit them, and can hit someone moving torwards him at Mach 2 speeds, why can't he hit Reptile?

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@i_like_swords: Uh... because there's acid blocking the way? Unless Frank can curve a bullet guns can be near useless.