Odin Borson, is a nexus being who is omnipotent and almost unrivaled in raw power . He is the son of Bor Burison, brother of Vili and Ve, husband of Frigga and the father of Thor, Vidar, Balder and adoptive father of Loki. Odin is the wisest and by far the most powerful of the Asgardian Gods. Alpha of the council of God Heads Odin is a name that is respected and feared throughout the Marvel Multiverse.
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Odin vs Universe, Galaxy, or Solar System. Which he can change or bust at his best? (125 votes)
He can bust a Universe. 42%
He can bust a Galaxy. 51%
He is little more than a Supernova or two. 6%
Recently seems many feel Skyfathers are Universal. Apparently there is some argument via feats like this. Seems he is argued having universe level by some feats, and others think he is more akin to few super novas at best. I think he is galaxy level at best myself.
What do you think Comicvine? What is a general consensus?
One of Odin's best counter measures to anything is his ability to summon the Destroyer Armor at will. It has several purposes, but can he animate the Armor through his own accordance and bring it to the battle-field if he so desires. Mjolnir is also under his control and he is even able to equip the Armor with the mallet. This capability in itself will make it impossible for Nathan to claim victory. He doesn't have any actual feats to put him in the league of Odin or the Armor. Yes, Odin can even have the Armor take Mjolnir from Thor -wherever he may be, and summon both the Armor (Equipped with Mjolnir) and mallet to his aid.
Feats for the Armor's capabilities and damage soak.
The durability for the Armor itself has been stated as being capable of surviving Universal Armageddon.This statement and bio from Comic-Vine -as well as feats, prove that anything short of Universal won't have an effect on the Armor. You would have to show Nate destroying something above Universal scale for him to even be within the weight of the Destroyer.
The Destroyer Armor has a consistent record of fighting and beating Thor. The only way Thor wins is the soul inside of it leaves, or he BFRs the Armor or Odin stops it. Other-wise the Armor has always bested Thor in combat. Since BFR is not available, and Odin will not stop the enchanted Armor, Nate would have to content with it and somehow destroy it without being instantly vaporized from Odin.
The Durability Of The Armor in Comparison To The Celestials...
We're going to move on to Odin's battle with the Celestials. He wore the Armor and engaged 9 named Celestials in combat. A huge stigma is that Odin was effortlessly destroyed, however Odin losing is not the point here. The point is the Armor was capable of tanking a barrage of Celestial level attacks. Odin was hit around 6-8 times before he dropped to his knees. Even then, it took the combined assault of almost the entire Fourth Host to incapacitate the Armor. It was defeated, but it wasn't Destroyed. So, Nate does not have what it takes to destroy the Armor. That much we can be certain about.
How powerful are The Celestials? Well, a Cosmic Cube is regarded as inferior to these Celestial level beings and even Cubik himself stated that he was no match for them. Odin was able to contend with nine of them all at the same time.
The Celestials are able to create an entire Universe, and are recognized as the most powerful race in the entire Marvel cosmos. They are said to be infinitely more powerful than Cosmic Cubes -who they themselves have shown feats on a trans-multiversal level. Kubik has held an entire Universe in his arm and hoped a Celestial would not judge against him. Some hosts of the Celestials have -such as the 5th host have created and destroyed a Multiverse. However Odin, was still able to contend with such a degree of power. By sheer feats alone, there is nothing Nate can do to Odin.
Galactus has shown extreme shock that Thanos was able to kill a single Celestial. Again, Odin was able to contend with 9 of them.
Arishem The Judge Is Recognized as the second most powerful Celestial -next to Exitar and was actually among the Fourth Host when they sacked Asgard.
Odin is the bearer of the Odin-Force and this along puts him in his own dimension of power in comparison to the residents of Asgard. Yes, Odin was amp'd to some degree. But that AMP had nothing to do with the Destroyer Armor's durability. Odin uses the Odin-Sword to channel the Odin-Force through. This was the purpose of that amp, not for the Armor. Some of the feats of Odin & the Armor are just awesome!!!! There is absolutely no way Nate has the firepower to put the Armor down if Odin decides to summon it.
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The Destructive Power Of The Skyfather Odin...
We'll begin this area of the discussion with Thor's own personal view on the cosmic compass of the Marvel Universe. Thor makes a clear distinction between Galactus (Well fed) and a Normal Odin -without the mystical Destroyer Armor. But goes on to put Destroyer Odin within the league of the Fourth Host and above a Well Fed Galactus. Even the writers of Marvel through the decades have specifically listed Odin & Galactus as near rivals. The Celestials were originally intended to be above the two. I do not see Nate as a being capable of being compared to a Well Fed Galactus, he's more along the lines of The Silver Surfer, or Herald level.
The Odin-Force is obviously Odin's weaponry! He can channel the mystical energy and direct it at his opponents. Old King Thor's Odin Force feat is evidence of such a scenario. Nate has absolutely no answer to Odin if he expels the Odin-Force with all it's might.
As an side effect of Odin's battle with Infinity & Set, numerous galaxies were being completely destroyer as a result of the two clashing powers. After-wards, Odin even reverse these effects and restored the Galaxies that he originally destroyed.
Conclusively, Brevoort Formspring has already concluded that Odin is a Galaxy buster.
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The Battles With Surtur ...
The destructive capabilities of Surtur are as equally as impressive as Odin's himself. Surtur has proven that he to is a Galaxy busting character by summoning an attack strong enough to destroy and entire Galaxy! This however, wasn't capable of besting Odin.
Further-more, in order to even create the Twilight-Sword -a Galaxy busting sword, equal to the Odin-Sword, Surtur had to first destroy a galaxy in order to create it. Odin has bested a creature of this magnitude. This ultimately shows just how incredible Odin truly is.
The resulting clash between Surtur & The Skyfather Odin caused all of the 9 realms to shake. This feat is simply beyond anything that Nate has the power to match.
Perhaps the most impressive feat between these two is when Surtur threatened to destroy all of the 9 realms and the Multiverse. In order to put a stop to this, Odin was used to channel this degree of power. This simply means that there is absolutely nothing Nate is capable of doing. Odin can simply channel Nate's own energy and steal it from him. Or if Odin is attack, simply absorb whatever Nate can dish out.
Odin's destructive capabilities have been explained by Strange as 'tearing at the very fabric of the Multiverse'. Odin was capable of fighting Infinity, which was a Universal threat. Further-more, the side effects of Odin's clash with Set was destroying Galaxies and igniting stars.
The most impressive thing regarding Odin's battles with Surturs, is not only their sheer magnitude, but the fact Odin has actually killed Surtur on several occasions. Yes, Surtur has killed Odin, but Odin always came back. Odin can, and always has come back to life when he pleases. So realistically, Nate cannot even put Odin down for the count.
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The Conclusion...
We have established the fact that Odin is capable of summoning the Destroyer Armor if he gets into any real trouble -or he can simply bring the Armor to the battle right off the go. As a result, Nate has no feats to determine he can output enough damage to put the Destroyer down for the count. You cannot seriously claim Nate can out-put more energy than the entire Celestial Forth Host combined. Additionally, the Armor provides Odin with the durability to engage the cosmic bodies of the Marvel Hierarchy of the highest order in physical combat. Even if Odin chose not to combat Nate with the Destroyer Armor, Odin is usually mentioned in league with the mighty Galactus. Odin also has the strength and sheer power to expel attacks strong enough to tear the Multiverse, affect every plane of reality and casually bust Galaxies as a side effect of his battles. Odin has the ability to channel enough energy that could destroy the Multiverse, through himself. This means that Nate cannot put Odin down, even if he so desired. Not only that, the battle begins at 500 meters away and Odin can expel a Odin-Force attack and one shot Nate before he has time to react. Odin can also trap Nate in his physical body and prevent him from leaving and resume to one shot him. Conclusively, when it comes to Odin vs Shaman Nate, Odin's feats are simply better, more diverse and give him a wide array of attacks that Nate simply cannot counter. Nate does not have the feats to put himself in the weight class of Odin.
Some feats and proof.
@bluehope: @odinenthusiast: @thebestofthebest: @firsthunter: Some experts on the placement for shout outs. I willing to be convince by whatever at this point. Maybe he is and this is the thread to get that conclusion. Thanks mates.
Ten realms confirmed to be full, infinite universes:
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Odin manipulates all the Electro-Magnetic Particles in the Universe to Imprison Surtur
Odin Rips the 10th Realm (a full infinite universe) from Yggdrasil and seals it in a hut
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Surtur's Eternal Flame was burning the 9 Realms and was going to eventually burn the Entire Multiverse
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And yet Odin had no problem containing and Nullifying said Flame
Odin recreates everything in the Universe of Asgard space
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Odin (without the Odin-Force) and his brothers slay Ymir and craft the entire Universe from his corpse- Thor Annual #5 (the whole feat counts for odi as the OF is his brothers power added to his own)
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Odin gains the Upperhand against Uthana Thoth and nearly wins until Thela intervenes- Thor #620
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In the previous issues Uthana Thoth was confirmed to have willed a Dying Universe to Survive and without him the Universe would die
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odin being a universal reality warper is an unquestionable fact. the only ones being delusional are those who claim he isn't.
Obviously given the scans universal is confirmed many times over anyone who ignores the proof is nothing more then a hater and won't be acknowledged it's known already universal at best multi galaxy at LEAST. Jes affected the Multiverse hello
Obviously given the scans universal is confirmed many times over anyone who ignores the proof is nothing more then a hater and won't be acknowledged it's known already universal at best multi galaxy at LEAST. Jes affected the Multiverse hello
Looks like your in a minority. 67 percent as of now feel Galactus is Galaxy or less.
There are multiple universal showings for odin, but Sheer destructive feats, he has shown multi-galaxy level. I'm highly skeptical he could just blow a universe up, though his energy manipulation is enough to control and bfr that much energy.
I'd suggest adding multi-galaxy level in the poll, since that's the level mentioned in his infamous feat.
@sirfizzwhizz: The difference is manipulating the Universe is not the same as making it cease to exist. Mostly I think of it like this...
Superman preformed planetary feats, like lifting the planet or punching so hard that his punches were felt across the planet, but he never actually destroyed it.
@sirfizzwhizz: The difference is manipulating the Universe is not the same as making it cease to exist. Mostly I think of it like this...
Superman preformed planetary feats, like lifting the planet or punching so hard that his punches were felt across the planet, but he never actually destroyed it.
Superman cannot punch Earth to pieces, he is still Planet level in manipulation which matters at the end of the day to me. Odin is no way manipulating the Universe by feats and his best feat is wiping out some Dead galaxies, as in galaxies with barely any stars left, while fighting another skyfather being.
@sirfizzwhizz: you've got the poll options labeled wrong in my opinion. Odin is only a galaxy to multi-galaxy BUSTER, however his reality warping power is universal. he cant destroy a universe, but he can manipulate it or even move it.
in the case of galactus if we look at the feats of average fed galactus vs odin we see that odin equals or surpasses all of galan's feats. also, in their in-comic fight Odin stalemated galactus in TP and actually knocked him out, and unlike galactus where there is no proof he was starving Odin was weaker than normal at this time as he was nearing odinsleep! i'll be doing a cav on this in a month or so once my opponent is ready, hopefully then this misconception will be dispelled.
Galactus actually wasn't done fighting though. Once he got knocked down to earth, he was up rather quickly while Odin resulted in calling the Destroyer Amour and Mjolnir to himself to combat him. It's pretty clear it wasn't his fight to win. Also, Odin may have been nearing the Odinsleep, but there was nothing indicating he wasn't confident enough in his abilities to defeat Galactus. Odin seemed to think he could've overwhelmed Galactus in that fight, but it didn't work out well. I don't think whether he was nearing the Odinsleep or not he would've won. Galactus is a tier or two above him.
As for the celestials, that entire arc was PIS. the celestials have never been shown that powerful since, marvel was simply trying to hype them at the expense of the gods. its basically the same as loeb force rulk vs the watcher, by feats the watcher is superior to rulk but Rulk beat him in comic because of bad writing. discarding that one PIS moment Odin is superior to most celestials by consistent feats.
The high ranking Celestials were always shown to be extremely powerful. Most certainly enough to combat characters like Galactus or Franklin Richards. I don't think it's PIS at all.
by consistent feats Odin is equal or superior to average fed galactus and most celestials individually. this image is modern proof of that:
I don't think that scan is going off power levels exactly, but also importance to the universe. I don't think the narration was going off power levels.
The writers of his comics have stated he's at best galaxy level.
and Odin could have kept fighting as well, at that time he was nearing odinsleep (which is why thor and others thought he had entered it) so he was weaker than usual, that's the reason he summoned the destroyer armour. Odin wasn't at his best and yet he stalemated galactus, in fact he did better in their fight.
He didn't stalemate Galactus. While Odin was down, Galactus recovered and was ready for more. Odin couldn't keep fighting which is why he called the Destroyer Amour and Mjolnir to his aide.
because he was weaker than usual as it was nigh time for him to undergo odinsleep.
He would have still lost the initial fight. He's not on Galactus's level.
because he was cocky at first. whats your point?
My point is you're looking into this fight wrong and trying to use it show that Odin is on Galactus's level when in fact it shows the complete opposite.
because he was weaker than usual, also odin did overwhelm galactus for a bit.
Getting one hit on someone in which you are both knocked down counts as overwhelming? I don't think so.
considering he was doing better than galactus then yes he could have won. common sense.
Don't come at me with this "common sense", when you can't even see that this fight clearly shows Odin was inferior to Galactus. You know what's funny, Odin created the Destroyer Amour to go up against the same Celestials Galactus is compared to in power and we saw how he could barely match them even while extremely amped.
not by feats. since your a thor fan you should know odin's feats, so im betting your overestimating galactus. go research galactus feats while average fed, Odin equals or surpasses them all.
There is a reason the battle forums has a warped idea of everything to do with Asgard, because people like you sully the character's name with gross overestimations which is frowned upon on the Vine. Be reasonable, and stop basing your logic on your favorite character all the time, what feats other than Odin's high-end ones which every character has shows he's consistently as powerful as Galactus. Think long and hard about this before I have to come back here and show otherwise.
im not talking about characters like tiamut or scathan, im talking about guy's like Exitar or arishem, especially exitar who is supposed to be more powerful than the entire 4th host combined yet thor was able to break his armour and even kill him using odin's enchantment. By consistent feats Arishem or exitar would lose to odin or galactus.
Thor destroying Exitar's armour is PIS and as a Thor fan I can admit it. You should be capable of admitting it to given Thor performed a feat against a Celestial which Odin, Zeus, and Vishnu couldn't accomplish together.
your 100% wrong, this statement shows you don't know much about big G. if the scan was going off importance galactus would be on the same level of importance as eternity, death, ect as he is the cosmic destroyer, he is essential in the cosmic cycle of life and death, ect. its obvious the scan is talking about power.
Going by what you presented, It's you who doesn't know as much about Galactus as you like to think. First off, Galactus isn't as important as Eternity and Infinity who represent space and time. He keeps the balance of life and death by consuming worlds, but that's not as important as the other two. In fact, at best he's in the same tier as Love/Hate, Chaos/Order. If you think the scan is about power, explain to me why Odin, Zeus, and Vishnu together couldn't harm a Celestial?
by feats and modern proof Odin and galactus are on the same tier. who would win in a fight? personally I think Odin which is why i'll be debating him in a cav, if you disagree that's fine but one thing is for absolute certain, they are on the same level of power.
They're not and you're going to be hard pressed and making anyone agree with you, but good luck with that.
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