Reed has only done two issues with her so far so he's not fair to judge yet, but i prefer the way she was written in Thundebrolts!

Warren Ellis did her best at making her what she is.

Warren Ellis

" @geraldthesloth said:

" Warren Ellis did her best at making her what she is. "

An underhanded b#tch who has trouble taking down street levelers with a whole team at her command? "

Ellis, most definitely.  Bendis writes her like a foul-mouthed teenage whore and Reed gives her little to no personality whatsoever.

Oh, and it's not Ellis' fault that Karla is a bad team leader.  Karla has ALWAYS been a bad team leader in the tactical aspect, all the way back to her Master of Evil days.  That's an established trait of hers, and he captured that perfectly.  Also, if Karla is making the team look bad, she's also making Norman look bad by extension, and that's also an established trait of hers: plotting against whoever is in charge over her.

I actually wish Ellis was writing Dark Avengers.  It really is a continuation of his Thunderbolts "era", and he gets the characters enough to really do well with the book.

" Reed has only done two issues with her so far so he's not fair to judge yet, but i prefer the way she was written in Thundebrolts! "

" @pixelized said:

" Reed has only done two issues with her so far so he's not fair to judge yet, but i prefer the way she was written in Thundebrolts! "

edit, REED is awful "

" @pixelized said:

" @pixelized said:

" Reed has only done two issues with her so far so he's not fair to judge yet, but i prefer the way she was written in Thundebrolts! "

edit, REED is awful "

So is Karla :) "

" @pixelized said:

" @pixelized said:

" Reed has only done two issues with her so far so he's not fair to judge yet, but i prefer the way she was written in Thundebrolts! "

edit, REED is awful "

So is Karla :) "

" Can I please be a rebel and vote for Kurt Busiek and Fabian Nicieza? lol I hate how Karla's been written since Fabian stopped writing Thunderbolts.  As for Karla's leadership....she never really wanted to "lead", she's just always wanted to be in control, and that's different. "

 Ms. Marvel clone with no personality. I rather have a bad representation of Karla than one that is totally wrong or extremely boring. "

" @Speedy92286 said:

 Ms. Marvel clone with no personality. I rather have a bad representation of Karla than one that is totally wrong or extremely boring. "

Let's go ahead and pretend Moonstone had SOOOOO much personality before Reed got to her.Ellis' Moonstone was just as lame as Reed's and whoever was writing Thunderbolts back when she was still Meteorite.She was invisible in Vol.1. "

" @Generation Jubes said:

" @Speedy92286 said:

 Ms. Marvel clone with no personality. I rather have a bad representation of Karla than one that is totally wrong or extremely boring. "

Let's go ahead and pretend Moonstone had SOOOOO much personality before Reed got to her.Ellis' Moonstone was just as lame as Reed's and whoever was writing Thunderbolts back when she was still Meteorite.She was invisible in Vol.1. "

I will admit she was not reeking any sort of amazingly memorable personality, but she had something to her. Yes, Ellis wrote a very uninvolved Moonstone whose only real qualities were being a bitch and a whore. Reed could have done a lot more with her since she was the focus of the series. Reed actually gave Moonstone a role in combat, and didn't do a bad job in displaying her prowess. Bendis also accomplished this in Dark Avengers. While I am glad to see that Karla will actually risk breaking her ever so expensive nails, there is no real meat to her anymore.   In the old series she had a mix of some personality, developing from someone cold hearted who only wanted to manipulate those in charge to her own ends, to a person who actually came to care about her teammates. She was even had feelings for Hawkeye, something the character never thought possible. That is a simple explanation of her personality in the old series before Ellis took it up. At least she had something that was positive going for her back then. "

Fabian Nicieza.

" @Generation Jubes : Are you kidding me?  Moonstone was a multi-faceted villainess-turned-antihero who was one of the most compelling characters in the original Thunderbolts book because she was so difficult to get a bead on.  She managed to sell out the team more than once and still remain a sympathetic character, and had a consistent characterization as a self-serving manipulator who had the *potential* to reform but ultimately failed to do so.      Since emerging from her coma, Moonstone has slowly but surely turned into a bitchy, foul-mouthed skank whose default setting for dealing with the opposite sex is to sleep with them.  Moonstone certainly doesn't have any qualms about using sex as a weapon, but it's been used as her ONLY weapon, and that's sad. "

" @tassa_kay said:

" @Generation Jubes : Are you kidding me?  Moonstone was a multi-faceted villainess-turned-antihero who was one of the most compelling characters in the original Thunderbolts book because she was so difficult to get a bead on.  She managed to sell out the team more than once and still remain a sympathetic character, and had a consistent characterization as a self-serving manipulator who had the *potential* to reform but ultimately failed to do so.      Since emerging from her coma, Moonstone has slowly but surely turned into a bitchy, foul-mouthed skank whose default setting for dealing with the opposite sex is to sleep with them.  Moonstone certainly doesn't have any qualms about using sex as a weapon, but it's been used as her ONLY weapon, and that's sad. "

Well you are obviously someone who likes Moonstone so it appears you are exaggerating her worth.She never once CHOSE to be an anti-hero.The first time the suggestion came from Baron Zemo and then currently from Osborn.She just spent an entire arc of Ms.Marvel's comic playing her and doing a terrible job of it.Self-Serving manipulator is so Mystique,So Paladin,So Magneto,basically what i'm saying is that she shares that trait with several other characters that do it alot better.She's self-serving but still on a short leash.I don't know when sex became Moonstone's only weapon but either way I don't find anything about her interesting.Ms.Marvel #46 made my day.I could wait for Carol to kick her ass. "