Moon Knight, Marc Spector, Steven Grant and Jake Lockley: four different aspects of the same man who was resurrected by Khonshu, the Egyptian Lunar-God of Vengeance and Justice to serve as his "avatar". Those unjust mortals who prey upon the innocents who travel at night, with powers that come from the moon, beware the Vengeance of the Moon Knight!
To a degree there are many comparisons however Bruce doesn't seem as outwardly unstable as Spector but who really knows what goes though the mind of a man dressed as a giant bat.
I'm with Danial79. I see many similarities, but all heroes are somewhat a rip offs of another. It is hard to create a completely unique character. It is even harder with non powered ones. The origins may change or what ever but in the end it doesn't mater. it all goes to how they are written in their comics that change them.
There are similarities but no, I don't think he's "Marvel's Batman". And frankly, I'm sick of people saying this. There are many topics debating this, you should have just posted in there instead of making another one. BTW, Moon Knight's comics are a lot better than Grant Morrison's works that he passes on as Batman.
" There are similarities but no, I don't think he's "Marvel's Batman". And frankly, I'm sick of people saying this. There are many topics debating this, you should have just posted in there instead of making another one. BTW, Moon Knight's comics are a lot better than Grant Morrison's works that he passes on as Batman. "
@G Bird:@ReverseNegative: I am sick of people getting upset on forums just because someones asks a question. I don't know Danial79 but none of these forums are new. Most have been a said a hundred times before. Saying Moonknight is Marvel's Batman is only threatening if it is true. The fact that it strikes a nerve means there is truth in it. There are as many or more similarities to Moonknight as there is to Black Panther. All that said Batman is based on Zorro. You never hear a Batman fan say
"I don't think he's "DC Comics, Zorro". And frankly, I'm sick of people saying this."
To take elements of the character show how strong the elements are. No one said "Moonknight is a carbon copy of Batman". There are just similarities. Look at Elongated Man, Plastic Man, and Mr. Fantastic. No one gets upset when these characters are compared to each other. For that matter look at DC Comics Flash, Marvel's, Quicksilver and Image's Velocity. All of these charaters have traits in common and traits that make them unique yet they are all "speedsters."
" There are similarities but no, I don't think he's "Marvel's Batman". And frankly, I'm sick of people saying this. There are many topics debating this, you should have just posted in there instead of making another one. BTW, Moon Knight's comics are a lot better than Grant Morrison's works that he passes on as Batman. "
@DarthT0n3h said:
" When did batman rip anybody face off? Answer me that. "
" When did batman rip anybody face off? Answer me that. "
Well, technically...
"
And technically that did happen after Moon Knight carved off Bushman's. Lol.
I think whether people believe Moon Knight is Marvel's response to Batman or not [which I don't believe he is, there's differences vast enough to say he isn't], characters are usually meant to be enjoyed for what they are, not who they come off as, IMO. People are always going to compare people who wear a cape, dark colors, operates at night and has money to fund himself as a pastiche of Batman.
I've even heard people compare Batman to the Green Hornet who predates Batman by 3 years. It's almost always the more established character that becomes the bar, and yes, there have been some homage in Moon Knight toward Batman. The biggest I can think of is his taking on a ward, which went terribly wrong.
At a certain point it becomes "yeah, okay, you can notice similarities, that's great." But with those characters, especially Moon Knight, I can probably name just as many differences as you can name similarities.
Maybe beacuse I havent read much Moon Knight, always thought of Iron Man as Marvel's Batman: rich, no superpowers, faithful butler, gadgets, problems with depression, women, second most important member of greatest super-team (after Cap in Avengers/ after Superman in Justice League).
I always saw Daredevil as Marvel's Batman. Obviously Bruce and Matt are completely different, but what their superhero personas represent seem similar to me. They both use the whole fear idea and (until recently, I guess) don't kill.
I agree that daredevil is more like marvel's batman. Batman is a much more intellectual sort of hero unlike Moon Knight. Daredevil, as said before, represents fear as does Batman, and both seem to rely on their brains as much as brute force. All this being said, I don't believe there is any amount of plagiarism or anything of the sort coming into play here. Reading comics with the mindset of looking to accuse writers for lack of originality takes a lot of the enjoyment out.
@toytul: I agree with you but I don't think anyone was implying that. Good concepts work and they are used over and aver again. Most heroes today have similarities to heroes long ago. Take the cape for example. There had to be a first. Perhaps Zorro? I don't know. The point is every hero that came after the first is a copy. That does not mean the characters plagiarized the original.
Obviously there are going to be differences. Marvel are not going to make a character called FlyingRodentMan or anything. All I was saying is that there are a LOT of similarities. So far, @Gunslinger6 is the only one who has listed a comparable list, with his Iron Man example...
not in the slightest. Moon knight has been, at times, completely unhinged. He is very unstable and is not quite as collected as Batman. We also have one who kills(Moon Knight), vs one who doesn't(Batman)
"I agree that daredevil is more like marvel's batman. Batman is a much more intellectual sort of hero unlike Moon Knight. Daredevil, as said before, represents fear as does Batman, and both seem to rely on their brains as much as brute force. All this being said, I don't believe there is any amount of plagiarism or anything of the sort coming into play here. Reading comics with the mindset of looking to accuse writers for lack of originality takes a lot of the enjoyment out. "
Even so, Daredevil is still pretty damn different from Batman.
I've always thought a lot of the Moon Knight stuff- particularly some of the more recent stuff- was a bit of a parody of Frank Miller's Batman stuff. Outrageously violent and gritty, with a no killing rule completely at odds with everything else he does? Can't say I;m a big reader of MK though, though I've always kind of wanted to be, so I could be way off the mark...
" I've always thought a lot of the Moon Knight stuff- particularly some of the more recent stuff- was a bit of a parody of Frank Miller's Batman stuff. Outrageously violent and gritty, with a no killing rule completely at odds with everything else he does? Can't say I;m a big reader of MK though, though I've always kind of wanted to be, so I could be way off the mark... "
MK didn't have a no killing rule until Vengeance of the Moon Knight. He's been murderin suckas since the 1970s.
" I've always thought a lot of the Moon Knight stuff- particularly some of the more recent stuff- was a bit of a parody of Frank Miller's Batman stuff. Outrageously violent and gritty, with a no killing rule completely at odds with everything else he does? Can't say I;m a big reader of MK though, though I've always kind of wanted to be, so I could be way off the mark... "
MK didn't have a no killing rule until Vengeance of the Moon Knight. He's been murderin suckas since the 1970s. "
Probably why there's so much disagreement over the topic then. I'd say over the past 5 years or so there's definitely been a bit of similarity, so all us recent jumper onners are confused...
Yeah. Well he killed a lot at the beginning of the 2006 run but I haven't read it completely so I don't know about towards the end of that run. Vengeance didn't start up til the end of 2009.
But I do agree that people who are recent "jumper onners" can get confused pretty easily. I personally wish he starts killing again.
Black Panther, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Iron Man, Nighthawk, Night Thrasher, and even The Punisher. All of them can be technically called Marvel's Batman.
"Black Panther, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Iron Man, Nighthawk, Night Thrasher, and even The Punisher.All of them can be technically called Marvel's Batman. "
I can only see Moon KNight and Daredevil, and that's by a longshot.
ha and Frenchie is MK's Alfred! oh my god! how could i be so blind! i'll never read MK again!
nah just kidding. While I don't really think he's Marvel's Batman, I will agree that there are a lot of similarities. Frankly, I don't care. If Moon Knight is Marvel's Batman, then they've improved the character.
Actually, if anyone here reads both Moon Knight and Batman, I'm sure they'll back me up when I say the two are farther apart than closer together. I mean, it's not like I read Moon Knight and go "pffhhht they did that in last months Batman." or the other way around.
@Bearded Justice: That is true. I was never implying the 2 were identical, I was just wanting to point out that Moon Knight is probably as close as Marvel come to the Dark Knight :)
" @Bearded Justice: That is true. I was never implying the 2 were identical, I was just wanting to point out that Moon Knight is probably as close as Marvel come to the Dark Knight :) "
Still, we Moon Knight fans hate it when people make that connection.
" But MN is the many of Marvels Batman's like Wolverine Captain America Black Panther Daredevil and more "
Wait what? Unless you are talking about broad categories then I don't see this. In which case many others could then be added to the list from all companies.
" But MN is the many of Marvels Batman's like Wolverine Captain America Black Panther Daredevil and more "
Wait what? Unless you are talking about broad categories then I don't see this. In which case many others could then be added to the list from all companies. "
@ReverseNegative I'm a Moon Knight fan myself, though only recently. I have no problem with the similarities myself as I think Moon Knight is a much cooler character :)
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