So I just had a quick question.  Mjolnir... those that are not worthy cannot lift it....is this because weight? Like Can Thor Place his hammer on a sleeping random person making that person unable to get up because the hammer?

because of an enchantment by odin. 

I always wondered if like Thor randomly lost his powers and the hammer just fell into the middle of like a New York City street, couldn't you just like carve out the ground around it, not lifting the hammer itself but the earth around it and be able to move it? (does that even make sense?)

" I always wondered if like Thor randomly lost his powers and the hammer just fell into the middle of like a New York City street, couldn't you just like carve out the ground around it, not lifting the hammer itself but the earth around it and be able to move it? (does that even make sense?) "

" @War Killer said:

" I always wondered if like Thor randomly lost his powers and the hammer just fell into the middle of like a New York City street, couldn't you just like carve out the ground around it, not lifting the hammer itself but the earth around it and be able to move it? (does that even make sense?) "

Yes.  "

Then by that logic, what Red Hulk did to Mjolnir should plausibly work, too, right? "

" @NexusOfLight said: 

Then by that logic, what Red Hulk did to Mjolnir should plausibly work, too, right? "

No. Completely different principles.  "

How so? Based on that explanation Red Hulk gave (as silly as it was), he didn't technically lift Mjolnir. So if moving the earth Mjolnir is on works, then that should too.

" @NexusOfLight said: 

How so? Based on that explanation Red Hulk gave (as silly as it was), he didn't technically lift Mjolnir. So if moving the earth Mjolnir is on works, then that should too.

Mjolnir can be moved/wielded by animated constructs or inanimate objects.  There is gravity in space, therefore Rulk is a dumbass.  "

So if someone was driving a crane, and tried to lift Mjolnir with it, it would work? "

" @NexusOfLight said: 

So if someone was driving a crane, and tried to lift Mjolnir with it, it would work? "

If the crane is strong enough, yes. I dunno what good that would do.  "

I'm sorry, but that kinda makes no sense to me. Sorta goes against everything I know about the hammer. I've read Thor from the start of volume 2 (Jake Olson stuff) til' now, and haven't seen anything to to support this. In fact, the closest thing I can think of would be what Red Hulk did, and most would agree that was sorta silly. I'm not a Mjolnir expert or anything, and I will admit that if I have read over something that sorta goes along with that line of thinking, I've over looked it, but it just doesn't seem to make sense. "

" @NexusOfLight said: 

I'm sorry, but that kinda makes no sense to me. Sorta goes against everything I know about the hammer. I've read Thor from the start of volume 2 (Jake Olson stuff) til' now, and haven't seen anything to to support this. In fact, the closest thing I can think of would be what Red Hulk did, and most would agree that was sorta silly. I'm not a Mjolnir expert or anything, and I will admit that if I have read over something that sorta goes along with that line of thinking, I've over looked it, but it just doesn't seem to make sense. "

The Destroyer was able to wield the hammer before. It was plucked out of Thor's grasp by a mechanical arm as well. Mjolnir's enhancement applies to sentient beings only, which is why the first two happened and the Rulk moment is PIS.  "

I always figured since the Destroyer was created by Odin, it was automatically enchanted, thus able to lift it whenever it wants, no matter who's in the driver's seat, it's doing what Odin created it to do. If the reason the Destroyer could lift the hammer was due to it being a machine, then wouldn't that mean any of Doom's Doombots could lift the hammer as well? "

" @CosmicSpiral:  So back to my original question... Guy laying flat on his back and hammer put on his chest... Can he get up? "

" @NexusOfLight said: 

I always figured since the Destroyer was created by Odin, it was automatically enchanted, thus able to lift it whenever it wants, no matter who's in the driver's seat, it's doing what Odin created it to do. If the reason the Destroyer could lift the hammer was due to it being a machine, then wouldn't that mean any of Doom's Doombots could lift the hammer as well? "

I don't know if Doombots are strong enough to lift the hammer. It ought to be extremely heavy to begin with. Even if they could, they couldn't draw upon its power. "

" @Dex: then he's stuck till thor comes back "

And how heavy could it possibly be? From my understanding, the hammer's weight has nothing to do with who can and can't lift it. It has nothing to do with who's strong enough to lift it either. It all boils down to Odin's magic. Jake Olson and Donald Blake certainly aren't strong enough to lift it, but since they're worthy, they can do so and become Thor as a result. If it were a matter of who's strong enough to lift it, then I'm sure a lot of other people could, Red Hulk included. Again, maybe you read something I didn't or overlooked, but where did you find that Mjolnir's magic doesn't work on non-sentient beings?

" @NexusOfLight said: 

And how heavy could it possibly be? From my understanding, the hammer's weight has nothing to do with who can and can't lift it. It has nothing to do with who's strong enough to lift it either. It all boils down to Odin's magic. Jake Olson and Donald Blake certainly aren't strong enough to lift it, but since they're worthy, they can do so and become Thor as a result. If it were a matter of who's strong enough to lift it, then I'm sure a lot of other people could, Red Hulk included. Again, maybe you read something I didn't or overlooked, but where did you find that Mjolnir's magic doesn't work on non-sentient beings?

If something attempts to lift the hammer which doesn't fall under the rules of the enchantment, then the only thing stopping them is the physical weight of the hammer. Uru itself is extremely difficult to fashion and weighs a considerable amount.  A conclusion gathered from empirical evidence.  "

So where would Hulk fall under that? I seem to recall him actually getting mad enough to move the hammer, not lift, but budge it. I'm sure your reasoning is based on evidence, but what sources or instances in particular? Obviously the Destroyer being able to use it is one, but what else?  "

I  think it's pretty much immovable.
 
Usually wherever in the world the hammer falls, it stays there until Thor comes to get it. I'm sure if all you had to do was lift it with a robot or move the dirt around it, the US government would have it in some secret lab within hours.

" So I just had a quick question.  Mjolnir... those that are not worthy cannot lift it....is this because weight? Like Can Thor Place his hammer on a sleeping random person making that person unable to get up because the hammer? "

" @NexusOfLight said: 

So where would Hulk fall under that? I seem to recall him actually getting mad enough to move the hammer, not lift, but budge it. I'm sure your reasoning is based on evidence, but what sources or instances in particular? Obviously the Destroyer being able to use it is one, but what else?  "

I don't think Hulk falls under the category of worthiness. There seems to be several factors in play beyond having good intentions and a good heart.   I named two, and there is at least one more I cannot recall at the moment.  "

" @CosmicSpiral: so...Thor could pretty much beat anyone...Lay the hammer on their chest and then wait until they die. "

I read somewhere that robots/androids can lift Mjolnir because they aren't people. There ARE ways to lift it (like with cranes and such) but physically lifting it cannot happen unless you're worthy. What Rulk did was really PIS and would never happen. 

" @CosmicSpiral: so...Thor could pretty much beat anyone...Lay the hammer on their chest and then wait until they die. "

I remember seeing Thor using the worthiness enchantment to pin Hyperion to the ground. I'm trying to remember when it was, I believe it was at the beginning of Avengers vol 3.

" @NexusOfLight said: 

I'm sorry, but that kinda makes no sense to me. Sorta goes against everything I know about the hammer. I've read Thor from the start of volume 2 (Jake Olson stuff) til' now, and haven't seen anything to to support this. In fact, the closest thing I can think of would be what Red Hulk did, and most would agree that was sorta silly. I'm not a Mjolnir expert or anything, and I will admit that if I have read over something that sorta goes along with that line of thinking, I've over looked it, but it just doesn't seem to make sense. "

The Destroyer was able to wield the hammer before. It was plucked out of Thor's grasp by a mechanical arm as well. Mjolnir's enhancement applies to sentient beings only, which is why the first two happened and the Rulk moment is PIS.  "

" @CosmicSpiral said:

" @NexusOfLight said: 

I'm sorry, but that kinda makes no sense to me. Sorta goes against everything I know about the hammer. I've read Thor from the start of volume 2 (Jake Olson stuff) til' now, and haven't seen anything to to support this. In fact, the closest thing I can think of would be what Red Hulk did, and most would agree that was sorta silly. I'm not a Mjolnir expert or anything, and I will admit that if I have read over something that sorta goes along with that line of thinking, I've over looked it, but it just doesn't seem to make sense. "

The Destroyer was able to wield the hammer before. It was plucked out of Thor's grasp by a mechanical arm as well. Mjolnir's enhancement applies to sentient beings only, which is why the first two happened and the Rulk moment is PIS.  "

No, it's not PIS. Rulk just isn't sentient. heh-heh-heh "