Why is MCU Thanos so underrated within the MCU?

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#1 Posted by The_Hajduk (6682 posts) - - Show Bio

Within the MCU it has been said multiple times, point blank, that Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe. He was the only person to beat the Hulk, even though Hulk made a joke of the main villain in both prior Avengers films. He fought the Big 3 working in perfect sync and he won, straight up, completely fair fight.

But people on CV will have you believe that anybody who made Thanos use a stone can defeat him. It's like, Thanos and Captain Marvel are having an even fight, until Thanos finishes the fight using the stone. People somehow twist that into confirmation that he absolutely NEEDED the stone. I think he just used it because it was there and it helped. Who knows what his move would have been if the stone wasn't there.

Then against Wanda, Thanos isn't even interested in fighting her, she asks him for a fight and he literally responds to her point blank, "I don't even know who you are." Thanos doesn't care and is trying to run right through her towards his actual goal, the gauntlet. When he realizes her power, he calls his ship to help him. People somehow twist this into "Ohh she was about to kill Thanos any second... without his ship he was helpless... terrified of her power..." What??? We never saw Thanos take on Scarlet Witch in a legitimate fight. MAYBE he called in his ship to help, just because that was faster. HE DID NOT CARE ABOUT KILLING HER. HE JUST WANTED HER TO MOVE.

And then there's Thor, oh boy. Even though Thanos literally defeated Thor twice now. People are still saying, not only does Thanos lose, he somehow stands no chance versus Thor! All because Thor literally BLINDSIDED THANOS AT HIS MOST VULNERABLE MOMENT. Thanos was literally having an orgasm from the stones at that moment, and that is when Thor struck him. Thanos fired back a blast which Thor cut through, but he was still unprepared. Imagine being in the middle of an orgasm when somebody from literally nowhere just appears and punches you in the face. And your reflex action is to take a swing back or maybe just flail in defense. That reflex is not representative of your real best attack.

Also Hulk humiliated Thor in A1. Their fight in Ragnarok situated Thor as an obvious underdog, the whole idea was that Thor keeping up with Hulk at all was impressive for him. Thor even needs to go Super Saiyan during the battle because Hulk is beating him to death. And Hulk still takes zero damage from Super Saiyan Thor. He literally just gets up immediately and shakes his head. Hulk in the MCU has literally been hurt one time and it was by Thanos.

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#2 Posted by BalancedTruth (1452 posts) - - Show Bio

He isn’t

Keep crying

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#3 Posted by uugieboogie (13409 posts) - - Show Bio
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#4 Posted by bleidd (529 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos was literally having an orgasm from the stones at that moment, and that is when Thor struck him. Thanos fired back a blast which Thor cut through, but he was still unprepared. Imagine being in the middle of an orgasm when somebody from literally nowhere just appears and punches you in the face. And your reflex action is to take a swing back or maybe just flail in defense. That reflex is not representative of your real best attack.

This. 10/10.

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#5 Edited by Marvelx13 (359 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he constantly underperforms.

Lol at Hulk being hurt only one time. Hulk is a punchingbag. Stop crying. Realistically Thor beats the hell out of Thanos, worse than what Cap was doing to him. I loved the part where Thanos was flat on the ground being electrocuted, shaking in his boots. He's lucky Russos nerfed everyone to force him to look like a threat.

The Trinity against him was the most out of place fight ever. Somehow it looks street level and everyone is using 2% of their actual power. There's a clear difference in the way Ironman fought Thanos in IW to when he fought in EG. Same with Thor. I mean really? Attack him one by one melee? Use sky lightning then bomb him to hell with missiles, along with that have friday call in an airstrike from the military, problem solved. His weak ass army can't stop a nuke. And the heroes bifrost away. The end.

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#6 Posted by The_Hajduk (6682 posts) - - Show Bio

He isn’t

Keep crying

So Thor, Doctor Strange, Marvel, and Wanda all fodderize Thanos 10/10 because Thanos used some effort when he defeated all of them?

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#7 Edited by EmmaFrostXmen (3352 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol Wanda lowball. Yes Thanos did in fact likeky underestimate Wanda, but their fight was far longer than you made it seem, and Wanda even lasted in close quarters against Thanos. Thanos was shown to be actively tying to stab Wanda thus telling the audience that they were “fighting”, and no it wasn’t only Wanda trying to attack him because there were both trying to kill each other.

Also Thanos was screaming in pain by the end of the fight therefore telling us without his ship he would have likeky died, and Wanda shattered a piece of his sword which is > Vibranium

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#8 Posted by phisigmatau (2093 posts) - - Show Bio
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#10 Posted by IndomitableRegal (16886 posts) - - Show Bio

Because people wanted him to stomp everyone so badly that he could only be beaten through deus ex machina. Then they would've complained about a plot device. People complain. It's what they do.

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#11 Posted by Marvelx13 (359 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam said:

He is a fat bald old man that's purple, he adopts kids cause he can't get it up and was probably in a relationship with a MAN (maw?)

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#12 Posted by FinalKingThanos (2660 posts) - - Show Bio
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#13 Posted by incursion2 (2307 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos is the most underrated MCU character to date imo

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#14 Edited by FinalKingThanos (2660 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk: anyone with any common sense will know he’s close to the top dog in the MCU.

Dormammu, Ego and Surtur are all out of bounds in a fight scenario really.

After them Thanos has to be up there, Strange and Wanda could literally 50/50 anyone in the MCU it’s just the design of there powers and glass cannon nature vs the rest.

I agree people seem to constantly over look the fact Thanos is rarely trying to focus on fighting in most of his actual movie fights especially in endgame he’s going through a constant hurdle of heroes one after the other and like you mentioned just using whatever comes quicker to beat them.

I do find it interesting in the endgame final battle -

- Thanos beats the Trinity (the one fight he specially comes down to fight)

- Armor shredded by Wanda

- Elbow one shots Tony again over the gauntlet

- Thor (using Mjolnir as leverage) and Cap pulling stormbreaker in Thanos neck who’s only using his Right arm to defend.

- one shot KOs Thor and Worthy Cap

- tanks Carols attack’s and tosses her

- puts on the gauntlet onto the same right arm again and clearly in pain like both Hulk and Tony but he’s more duarble.

- then has the Tussle with Carol only with his right arm yet again.

That all happens moments apart.

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#15 Posted by ANTHP2000 (29577 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarlet Witch was wrecking Thanos... he had to resort to decimating his entire army to not get murdered...

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#16 Posted by FinalKingThanos (2660 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: she was stripping his armor and defo had him at her Mercy hopefully we get word on what she was actually doing next crushing or stripping etc.

He didn’t decimate his entire army though they still had the larger force when Tony was forced to do the Snap.

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#17 Posted by deactivated-5cf823e3012e8 (449 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not underrated.

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#18 Edited by ANTHP2000 (29577 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: she was stripping his armor and defo had him at her Mercy hopefully we get word on what she was actually doing next crushing or stripping etc.

He didn’t decimate his entire army though they still had the larger force when Tony was forced to do the Snap.

Because Captain Marvel wrecked the mothership.

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#19 Posted by FinalKingThanos (2660 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: very true actually I seemed to mind blank that there.

I think Thanos form the get go only cared about the gems so anyone dying is fair game haha.

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#20 Posted by Namebk (1244 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably because he's just a brick.

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#21 Posted by Marvelx13 (359 posts) - - Show Bio

@finalkingthanos: Thanos was never in pain from putting on the gauntlet. It was made pretty clear that he's the only one able to even weild it without backlash

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#22 Posted by FinalKingThanos (2660 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelx13: I could agree in IW but with the stark gauntlet he clearly had as painful when he first puts it on.

He’s practically godlike unlike Bruce or Tony which is why he can get over it quickly.

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#23 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (17576 posts) - - Show Bio

He’s not all that.

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#24 Posted by jashro44 (54455 posts) - - Show Bio

But people on CV will have you believe that anybody who made Thanos use a stone can defeat him. It's like, Thanos and Captain Marvel are having an even fight, until Thanos finishes the fight using the stone. People somehow twist that into confirmation that he absolutely NEEDED the stone. I think he just used it because it was there and it helped. Who knows what his move would have been if the stone wasn't there.

She no sold his headbutt. Whether it was because she absorbed the stone or not can be debated I guess but Thanos wasn't going to win at that point.

Then against Wanda, Thanos isn't even interested in fighting her, she asks him for a fight and he literally responds to her point blank, "I don't even know who you are." Thanos doesn't care and is trying to run right through her towards his actual goal, the gauntlet. When he realizes her power, he calls his ship to help him. People somehow twist this into "Ohh she was about to kill Thanos any second... without his ship he was helpless... terrified of her power..." What??? We never saw Thanos take on Scarlet Witch in a legitimate fight. MAYBE he called in his ship to help, just because that was faster. HE DID NOT CARE ABOUT KILLING HER. HE JUST WANTED HER TO MOVE.

They did fight. Yea Thanos didn't want to fight her but he understood he had to in order to achieve what he wanted to do. Thanos didn't really want to fight anyone. Wanda was killing him without a doubt. She broke his weapon, stopped it and overpowered it and was restraining Thanos in the air with Thanos unable to use his physical strength to over power her TK. He sacrificed several of his troops because he had to. Corvus even questioned it, and Thanos just said "do it".

And then there's Thor, oh boy. Even though Thanos literally defeated Thor twice now. People are still saying, not only does Thanos lose, he somehow stands no chance versus Thor! All because Thor literally BLINDSIDED THANOS AT HIS MOST VULNERABLE MOMENT. Thanos was literally having an orgasm from the stones at that moment, and that is when Thor struck him. Thanos fired back a blast which Thor cut through, but he was still unprepared. Imagine being in the middle of an orgasm when somebody from literally nowhere just appears and punches you in the face. And your reflex action is to take a swing back or maybe just flail in defense. That reflex is not representative of your real best attack.

People never felt like Thor would beat Thanos because he "won" in infinity war. They felt he won because he showed that his weapon could one shot him. This could arguably be different if Thanos has his armor since we see Thanos deflect a slash from strombreaker with his armor.

Also Hulk humiliated Thor in A1. Their fight in Ragnarok situated Thor as an obvious underdog, the whole idea was that Thor keeping up with Hulk at all was impressive for him. Thor even needs to go Super Saiyan during the battle because Hulk is beating him to death. And Hulk still takes zero damage from Super Saiyan Thor. He literally just gets up immediately and shakes his head. Hulk in the MCU has literally been hurt one time and it was by Thanos.

I feel like people on comicvine have a different definition of hurt than I do. Hurt to me means to cause someone pain. At no point did hulk ever no sell a hit from Thor. The script for Ragnarok even says Thor was winning towards the end of the fight. Hulk has been hurt plenty of times in the MCU. He's also been knocked out by the hulkbuster albeit with a cheap shot.

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#25 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (9373 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Exactly. I agree with everything you said above. Also Hulk didn't "embarrass" Thor.

Thor wasn't hurt at all during their Avengers 1 fight either.

The op is tripping.

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#26 Posted by The_Hajduk (6682 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: If you define hurt as feeling pain then show me Hulk feeling pain anytime in the MCU.

Chitauri fire during the "all hope is lost" moment doesn't count because the script confirms he wasn't being hurt.

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#27 Posted by Sy8000 (35918 posts) - - Show Bio

Phase 1 Thor can absolutely hurt Hulk, his hit on Malekith would knock Hulk's teeth out.

Thanos is inconsistent. His armor was the thing that kept Thor from butchering him again, yet Hulk broke that armor fine in Infinity War. Are you telling me prime Thor couldn't shatter that armor then split Thanos' head?

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#28 Posted by IAmTheLaw (887 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he constantly underperforms.

Lol at Hulk being hurt only one time. Hulk is a punchingbag. Stop crying. Realistically Thor beats the hell out of Thanos, worse than what Cap was doing to him. I loved the part where Thanos was flat on the ground being electrocuted, shaking in his boots. He's lucky Russos nerfed everyone to force him to look like a threat.

The Trinity against him was the most out of place fight ever. Somehow it looks street level and everyone is using 2% of their actual power. There's a clear difference in the way Ironman fought Thanos in IW to when he fought in EG. Same with Thor. I mean really? Attack him one by one melee? Use sky lightning then bomb him to hell with missiles, along with that have friday call in an airstrike from the military, problem solved. His weak ass army can't stop a nuke. And the heroes bifrost away. The end.

The difference is not how the trinity was fighting Thanos, but how Thanos was fighting the trinity. Clearly none of the OG Avengers can mess with him. OP is wrong about Thanos vs Wanda though, he was in trouble against her.

Hulk got wrecked. Never in the movies has he been in that sort of danger. Thor shook him up a bit with lightning and the Hulkbuster beat him with context, but Thanos straight up wrecked him in 1v1 combat. This guy shrugged off a hit from Surtur hours before.

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#29 Posted by jashro44 (54455 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: If you define hurt as feeling pain then show me Hulk feeling pain anytime in the MCU.

Chitauri fire during the "all hope is lost" moment doesn't count because the script confirms he wasn't being hurt.

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#30 Posted by jashro44 (54455 posts) - - Show Bio

@sy8000 said:

Phase 1 Thor can absolutely hurt Hulk, his hit on Malekith would knock Hulk's teeth out.

Thanos is inconsistent. His armor was the thing that kept Thor from butchering him again, yet Hulk broke that armor fine in Infinity War. Are you telling me prime Thor couldn't shatter that armor then split Thanos' head?

I don't remember hulk breaking the armor but cap with mjolnir did IIRC. Thor could break it eventually but it would probably take a few hits.

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#31 Posted by Marvelx13 (359 posts) - - Show Bio

@finalkingthanos: He never had any sort of pain. What you are referring to is Thanos just exhaling from the power. Not once does the gauntlet surge with energy and burn him like it did the others.

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#32 Posted by Marvelx13 (359 posts) - - Show Bio

@iamthelaw: No sir. The difference was entirely the Trinity as they were nerfed and also strangely enough at the same time buffed. Which is why you get things like Cap recovering from like 3 hits from Thanos and Thor now all of a sudden being strong enough to make Thanos struggle to stab him... The same Thanos that could 1-3 shot him.

If the Trinity fought at 100%. Thanos would stand a snowman's chance in hell.

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#33 Posted by destinyman75 (15535 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk: what are you talking about. Thor in AV one wasn't humiliated vs hulk. He was holding back trying not to hurt him and did very well considering.....Thanos is slightly above that Thor about even with later Thor maybe slightly above....he's only underated by DC Fans

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#34 Edited by IAmTheLaw (887 posts) - - Show Bio

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@iamthelaw: No sir. The difference was entirely the Trinity as they were nerfed and also strangely enough at the same time buffed. Which is why you get things like Cap recovering from like 3 hits from Thanos and Thor now all of a sudden being strong enough to make Thanos struggle to stab him... The same Thanos that could 1-3 shot him.

If the Trinity fought at 100%. Thanos would stand a snowman's chance in hell.

Yes, they were nerfed and buffed at the same time. That makes more sense than the in universe explanation of Thanos changing his plans because he now wanted to kill them. Before he simply wanted to get the stones. The trinity fought at 100 percent of what they were capable of. Iron Man doesn't have the power to put down Thanos. The two Thors are powerful but even they aren't physically capable of killing Thanos unless they catch him off guard or drill him with the axe.

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#35 Posted by FinalKingThanos (2660 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelx13:

https://youtu.be/iMS7zAIG7Do

1.30ish

It does

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#36 Posted by GeraltsOpinion (447 posts) - - Show Bio

The avengers won that battle one time. 14000000 other times didn't go well for them and I'm sure Captain Marvel was in plenty of those realities.

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#37 Posted by FinalKingThanos (2660 posts) - - Show Bio

https://youtu.be/iMS7zAIG7Do

I have no idea why it won’t let me post links properly but here’s some showings for Thanos and it does show that the stark gauntlet surges through his arm like it did hulk.

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#38 Posted by FirstFirmament (435 posts) - - Show Bio

Well said and I agree with everything you said.

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#39 Posted by Pipxeroth (9535 posts) - - Show Bio

Absolutely shit take on the fight with Wanda. Thanos not knowing who she is and underestimating her has literally nothing to do with the fact that in a couple of seconds she blocked his attack (the same sword that cleaved into cap's shield mind you), broke his weapon and sent it flying away, then casually restrained him in the air while ripping his armour apart and having him yell out in pain to the point where he ordered a mass bombardment on the battlefield.

She -stomped- him, and you have to be extremely disingenuous to argue that she only did so because Thanos didn't know her.

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#40 Posted by The_Hajduk (6682 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Hulk wasn't hurt in any of those scenes. He literally just gets madder every time people hit him. But there's no blood or signs of slowing down. The script says Thor is winning, not that he is hurting Hulk. The script actually says that all Thor is doing is tripping Hulk or knocking him down.

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#41 Posted by Marvelx13 (359 posts) - - Show Bio

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@iamthelaw: No sir. The difference was entirely the Trinity as they were nerfed and also strangely enough at the same time buffed. Which is why you get things like Cap recovering from like 3 hits from Thanos and Thor now all of a sudden being strong enough to make Thanos struggle to stab him... The same Thanos that could 1-3 shot him.

If the Trinity fought at 100%. Thanos would stand a snowman's chance in hell.

Yes, they were nerfed and buffed at the same time. That makes more sense than the in universe explanation of Thanos changing his plans because he now wanted to kill them. Before he simply wanted to get the stones. The trinity fought at 100 percent of what they were capable of. Iron Man doesn't have the power to put down Thanos. The two Thors are powerful but even they aren't physically capable of killing Thanos unless they catch him off guard or drill him with the axe.

I don't know how you think their performance was 100% but it was far from. This is what 100% looks like:

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If Stark went for this and backed up by Thor not nerfed to be brain dead, Thanos gets stomped from the start
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Thor alone can beat Thanos handily. He's just a dumb brick, which was MCU's worst and most disrespectful mistake to do Thanos like that.
Thor alone can beat Thanos handily. He's just a dumb brick, which was MCU's worst and most disrespectful mistake to do Thanos like that.
  • Thor did not use his lightning cloak at all, that should've been a clear indicator
  • He never summoned sky lightning which is stupid seeing as how when Thanos had him pinned he should've, he did against Hela
  • He never used large lightning blasts
  • Ironman is at his best at long range. Him fighting close quarters was the most retarded thing because he should know Thanos is too durable to be pierced by his suit swords, that would be common knowledge
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#43 Edited by Lan_Fan (16799 posts) - - Show Bio

@indomitableregal said:

Because people wanted him to stomp everyone so badly that he could only be beaten through deus ex machina. Then they would've complained about a plot device. People complain. It's what they do.

The sad thing is, that's what the directors are aiming for, and they only managed to have Thanos beating underperformed characters who all forgot to use their abilities against him for no apparent reason.

Except for Wanda... Who stomped him.

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#44 Posted by phisigmatau (2093 posts) - - Show Bio

@lan_fan said:
@indomitableregal said:

Because people wanted him to stomp everyone so badly that he could only be beaten through deus ex machina. Then they would've complained about a plot device. People complain. It's what they do.

The sad thing is, that's what the directors are aiming for, and they only managed to have Thanos beating underperformed characters who all forgot to use their abilities against him for no apparent reason.

Except for Wanda... Who stomped him.

lol so true

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#45 Posted by jashro44 (54455 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk: Blood isn't the only indicator of damage. Having your head rattled around is how a ko in boxing works. That can occur in without blood.

Hulk was straight up knocked out against tony. Banner even said that suit kicked the crap out of the hulk. Yea it was a cheap shot but he was clearly hurt.

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#47 Posted by Marvelx13 (359 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@the_hajduk: Blood isn't the only indicator of damage. Having your head rattled around is how a ko in boxing works. That can occur in without blood.

Hulk was straight up knocked out against tony. Banner even said that suit kicked the crap out of the hulk. Yea it was a cheap shot but he was clearly hurt.

Banner was lying his ass off or simply going off a lie told by Tony. Anyone who has seen the fight knows that it was the other way around and the Hulkbuster was hanging on by a thread and constant replacement parts

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#48 Posted by jashro44 (54455 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelx13: I agree hulk had the advantage through out most of the fight. The point is hulk got knocked out.

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#49 Edited by The_Hajduk (6682 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Nobody has ever rattled Hulk's head in the MCU. You think just because he shakes his head a few times that means he's hurt? That reaction tells me the exact opposite. He's LITERALLY "shaking it off." I'd understand if Hulk shook his head and then showed signs of fatigue. But no, he actually gets more dominant as the fight progresses. This happened with Abom, Veronica, and Thor.

The Hulkbuster low-ball is something that needs to stop. Hulk outright took everything in Veronica's arsenal, down to a whole building which was tonys final play. All he did was his head shaking thing. In order to knock him out, Tony needed a combination of factors. Hulk had to be calming down AND it needed to be a cheap shot. This fight and the way nothing could hurt him is one of the biggest testimonies to Hulk's durability.

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#50 Posted by GateOfBabylon (4724 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with a lot of the stuff you said, but I need to disagree with some things.

I'm not sure how the Wanda vs Thanos fight would have went if he didn't call for an airstrike and was more prepared from the start, but her power set does counter him pretty hard as he's a pure melee fighter. Of course it took her being bloodlusted still. If she was in regular character, I don't think she stood much of a chance.

I agree with Thor catching Thanos off guard in Infinity War, but he was still fighting pretty dumb in Endgame. The only time he used his lightning was to power up Tony. I'm still on the fence on whether Thor or Thanos would win in a straight-up fight if Thor was fighting smart.

Lastly, yes, in Ragnarok, Thor was made to be the underdog. It's a bit of meta thing too imo, as even most general Marvel fans at that point underrated Thor pretty heavily if he doesn't have his hammer. That moment he struck Hulk was meant to shock both the Sakaar audience and the real life movie audience. However he was more than just keeping up with Hulk. As the screenshot of the script posted by Jashro44 in post #29, Thor was doing well for most of the fight. And yes, I agree Hulk never received major damages and took back the advantage towards the end, making Thor go Super Saiyan.

But you cannot possible deny that Thor's lightning punch had damaged Hulk. He was pretty obviously groggy and trying to recover, not just "shaking it off". That's not what "shaking it off" means. Hulk after that punch is pretty much what someone who got TKO-ed in an MMA fight looks like. He was struggling to just get back on his feet and could barely stand up straight before Thor was casually walking and about to strike again and Grandmaster had to cheat.

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