Thor's durability in Sokovia explained

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Posted by Cyttorakvas (133 posts) 1 year, 8 months ago

Poll: Thor's durability in Sokovia explained (89 votes)

That's not impressive, Superman is still better 33%
About equal with Superman 21%
Far surpasses Superman 46%

According to the film's SFX Supervisor, ILM's Ben Snow, Sokovia city was approximately 2km wide.

To start with, the city does not exist. “We filmed in several locations in Italy and the UK to cover the ground portions that happened in the street, so that gave us a lot of raw material for the design. But it ended up being one of our largest digital matte painting creations. We had this 2 kilometer expanse of city that we had to build as a digital matte painting, plus the ground that it is sitting on top of, plus the engines that are driving it, complete with the pipes and the infrastructure under the ground with bits of earth falling off it. To get it right we studied landslide footage, building demolition and earthquake footage.”

“So, we had to not only build it as digital matte asset but also lift it out of the ground with the edge of it breaking away and the buildings crumbling like they were in an earthquake. It became a very elaborate process. Our traditional pipeline had been aimed more at single building destruction, like at the end of the Transformers movie. Here we were destroying whole sections of the city. So, we basically built on our pipeline so we could turn a digital matte asset into a generalist asset made in 3DS Max, then we took it through our rigid simulation system and sent it back for rendering in the generalist pipeline.”

https://nerdist.com/the-physics-behind-age-of-ultrons-earth-shaking-ending/

For simplicity’s sake, let’s guess that Sokovia is at sea level and that Ultron captures one kilometer (0.6 miles) of the city around the church in the center in the lifting process. When the city is lifted, it looks nearly like a half-sphere of Earth. That half-sphere would be two cubic kilometers of dirt and rock.

And if all that soil and rock beneath the city has a density between that of soil and crust, then the total mass of Ultron’s makeshift asteroid would be around four trillion kilograms. That’s about the same mass as all the food the world produces each year.

In the film, Ultron is able to half-execute his plan by dropping the city (with the help of some thrusters we’ll ignore) at altitude before The Avengers vaporize it. According to a line Captain America delivers at about the same time the key on the lifting device is turned, “the air was getting a little thin.” If we guesstimate they were getting to a height where altitude sickness could set in, Sokovia was around 2,400 meters up when it started to fall.

A free-fall from this height (ignoring air resistance) would impart100,000 trillion Joules of energy to the surface where the rest of Sokovia sat. Because science communication dictates that I compare this to a nuclear blast, this amount of energy is about half that of the largest nuclear bomb ever tested, Tsar Bomba.

Thor was able to withstand 200,000 trillion Joules of energy when it exploded. While a 50-megaton impact is a gargantuan amount of energy, it’s not an extinction-level event. For example, humanity has witnessed 40 Ultron-level explosions of this magnitude since we've been around.

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#1 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

He was at one portion, unlike Supes who was at the epicentre.

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#2 Posted by Cyttorakvas (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos239 said:

He was at one portion, unlike Supes who was at the epicentre.

Sokovia exploded on his face.

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#3 Posted by deactivated-5ace9ec1d0243 (3439 posts) - - Show Bio

So you quoted something that you don't understand, at all.Image result for superman laughing\

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#4 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he was at the top of the landmass which exploded from the centre outwards.

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#5 Edited by Worldofthunder (5192 posts) - - Show Bio

The power went into the city, not against Thor so he didn't take all that power unlike Superman who was actually at the very center of a nuke detonation while he weakened.

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#6 Edited by MarvelandDCfan24 (8197 posts) - - Show Bio

The power was Thors lightning anyway why would his own lightning harm him

Besides didn't Ironman survive the explosion to I guess he must be just as durable and since he survived and got punked by Cap....

Cap punches harder than 200,000 trillion joules confirmed

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#7 Edited by The_Fub (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

These three of these people above me are dead wrong. Iron Man's statements (get the atomic action doubling back) is the statement proof, then there's an actual still of the image showing Sokovia's explosion epicenter was at the top of the city and travled downward, I have the image (I'm on my phone ATM). This low-balling misconception that Thor only tanked a small portion of the blast needs to stop. Iron Man was the one that got the very tail end of the explosion.

Go ahead, debate me on the subject, let's see you ignore in movie statements and visual proof. Good way to weed out the bias.

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#8 Posted by Cyttorakvas (133 posts) - - Show Bio

The power was Thors lightning anyway why would his own lightning harm him

Besides didn't Ironman survive the explosion to I guess he must be just as durable and since he survived and got punked by Cap....

Cap punches harder than 200,000 trillion joules confirmed

Iron Man was pushed from the explosion, directly beneath Sokovia, whereas Thor was at the epicenter, having caused the explosion himself. Completely different.

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#9 Edited by deactivated-5ace9ec1d0243 (3439 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_fub said:

These three of these people above me are dead wrong. Iron Man's statements (get the atomic action doubling back) is the statement proof, then there's an actual still of the image showing Sokovia's explosion epicenter was at the top of the city and travled downward, I have the image (I'm on my phone ATM). This low-balling misconception that Thor only tanked a small portion of the blast needs to stop. Iron Man was the one that got the very tail end of the explosion.

Go ahead, debate me on the subject, let's see you ignore in movie statements and visual proof. Good way to weed out the bias.

While you are right about that part, the sokovia explosion was in no way at the level of half the tsar bomba.

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#10 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

So you quoted something that you don't understand, at all.\

Lmao

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#11 Posted by ProjeTwoPntOh (467 posts) - - Show Bio

40+ kilotons is not causing any extinction level event.

Regardless, what Thor tanked was much worse.

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#12 Edited by Royal_Warrior (5059 posts) - - Show Bio

@frankthetank40: seriously? Your saying the Tsar bomb can vaporise a landmass that big? How can you be saying I've lost credibility when your saying a nuke can vaporise a 2k wide landmass ???

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#13 Posted by deactivated-5ace9ec1d0243 (3439 posts) - - Show Bio

The explosion itself wasn't an extinction level event in the air. If the landmass hit the ground at that speed, it would be. The explosion thor tanked would be nothing compared to the impact when it hits the ground.

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#14 Edited by The_Fub (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

@frankthetank40: Perhaps not. But do you by chance know the depth in which a bomb the magnitude of the TSAR bomb would penetrate? I know the mushroom cloud is like, 3 times the height of mount Everest, but nukes usually don't obliterate solid rock as well as they level man and man made structure.

I mean, the yellow there (although I don't know for sure what the colors mean) is just radiation I'd imagine.

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#15 Posted by Cyttorakvas (133 posts) - - Show Bio

40+ kilotons is not causing any extinction level event.

Regardless, what Thor tanked was much worse.

That's kind of what I said... proving that you didn't even read it.

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#16 Posted by ProjeTwoPntOh (467 posts) - - Show Bio

@projetwopntoh said:

40+ kilotons is not causing any extinction level event.

Regardless, what Thor tanked was much worse.

That's kind of what I said... proving that you didn't even read it.

I wasn't responding to you,..

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#17 Edited by Cyttorakvas (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@projetwopntoh said:
@cyttorakvas said:
@projetwopntoh said:

40+ kilotons is not causing any extinction level event.

Regardless, what Thor tanked was much worse.

That's kind of what I said... proving that you didn't even read it.

I wasn't responding to you,..

So get off my thread and stop derailing it and filling it with unnecessary comments, especially when we know that you didn't even read it.

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#18 Edited by deactivated-5ace9ec1d0243 (3439 posts) - - Show Bio

@royal_warrior said:

@frankthetank40: seriously? Your saying the Tsar bomb can vaporise a landmass that big? How can you be saying I've lost credibility when your saying a nuke can vaporise a 2k wide landmass ???

Lmao, you clearly don't know how explosions work.

Let us take a look at what 50 megatons would look like.

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This absolutely dwarfs the sokovia explosion.

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#19 Edited by ProjeTwoPntOh (467 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyttorakvas said:
@projetwopntoh said:
@cyttorakvas said:
@projetwopntoh said:

40+ kilotons is not causing any extinction level event.

Regardless, what Thor tanked was much worse.

That's kind of what I said... proving that you didn't even read it.

I wasn't responding to you,..

So get off my thread and stop derailing it and filling it with unnecessary comments, especially when we know that you didn't even read it.

How.... am I derailing it? Are you seriously this sensitive when I'm stating the nerdist or the sfx don't have a clue what an extinction level event is?

Jesus, it seems I stepped on your precious toes even when there was no intent to.

Might need to check your panties.

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#20 Posted by Royal_Warrior (5059 posts) - - Show Bio

@frankthetank40: so your basically saying blast radius equates to vaporisation?

You do realise the reason the radius is larger is because it can't get through the ground so it expanded a outwards

A nuke couldn't even destroy a 100m cubed asteroid let alone 2km

It's amusing how much you don't understand in this matter

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#21 Posted by ProjeTwoPntOh (467 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously, I'm like reiterating what you're saying in my post, and yet I'm derailing?

Are you this dense? Or are you so hung up on this MCU/DCEU thing you don't even know who is agreeing with you?

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#22 Posted by ProjeTwoPntOh (467 posts) - - Show Bio

@royal_warrior said:

@frankthetank40: seriously? Your saying the Tsar bomb can vaporise a landmass that big? How can you be saying I've lost credibility when your saying a nuke can vaporise a 2k wide landmass ???

Lmao, you clearly don't know how explosions work.

Let us take a look at what 50 megatons would look like.

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This absolutely dwarfs the sokovia explosion.

Lol AOE. This kid serious?

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#23 Posted by deactivated-5ace9ec1d0243 (3439 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_fub said:

@frankthetank40: Perhaps not. But do you by chance know the depth in which a bomb the magnitude of the TSAR bomb would penetrate? I know the mushroom cloud is like, 3 times the height of mount Everest, but nukes usually don't obliterate solid rock as well as they level man and man made structure.

I mean, the yellow there (although I don't know for sure what the colors mean) is just radiation I'd imagine.

They can create craters 100s of feet deep, all the way down into bedrock in some cases. These two explosions would be completely different. The sokovia explosion wouldn't be packing 150,000,000 degree heat with it.

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#24 Edited by Cyttorakvas (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@projetwopntoh said:

Seriously, I'm like reiterating what you're saying in my post, and yet I'm derailing?

Are you this dense? Or are you so hung up on this MCU/DCEU thing you don't even know who is agreeing with you?

The original post states that it was a 50 megaton-level explosion, whereas you argued that it was only a 40 megaton-level explosion. Completely different. The 40 megaton-level is from a post in a completely different thread, which demonstrates that you never even took the opportunity to read the original post in this thread. Therefore, you are intentionally derailing it and you are offended that somebody has called you out for your otherwise dissenting intentions.

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#25 Edited by ProjeTwoPntOh (467 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, your "precious thread" is not a battle (you know, the forum being titled "battles"). So apparently you can't read.

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#26 Posted by deactivated-5ace9ec1d0243 (3439 posts) - - Show Bio

@projetwopntoh don't get me started with you. You said an explosion that encompassed a 2km land mass would be equal 11 billion tons of tnt.

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#27 Posted by ProjeTwoPntOh (467 posts) - - Show Bio

@projetwopntoh don't get me started with you. You said an explosion that encompassed a 2km land mass would be equal 11 billion tons of tnt.

No, in fact I did not. But do keep thinking you know exactly what I said.

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#28 Posted by deactivated-5ace9ec1d0243 (3439 posts) - - Show Bio

No, in fact I did not. But do keep thinking you know exactly what I said.

You said it was equal to 50 gigatons at first, and then changed it to 11 gigatons. Do you realize how ridiculous this is?

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#29 Edited by FirestormFate1919 (6217 posts) - - Show Bio

The power went into the city, not against Thor so he didn't take all that power unlike Superman who was actually at the very center of a nuke detonation while he weakened.

Exactly, this is always what it comes down to.

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#30 Posted by ProjeTwoPntOh (467 posts) - - Show Bio

@projetwopntoh said:

No, in fact I did not. But do keep thinking you know exactly what I said.

You said it was equal to 50 gigatons at first, and then changed it to 11 gigatons. Do you realize how ridiculous this is?

Let's pay attention to the order of your inanity.

"You said an explosion that encompassed a 2km land mass would be equal 11 billion tons of tnt."

No, I did not say that because I never gave the value if it was by the sfx statement. Because a 1km destruction of that landmass would be 30 megatons. No way in hell is another kilometers adding over 366 times more energy. I said (if you learn to pay attention) that:

"There's a calc that puts the feat at 11 gigatons"

The calc I'm referring to did their own scaling and did not take the statement of an sfx director (since so many statements get thrown around that are fallacious)

But go on frank, don't deflect your idiocy onto me. lol thought that AOE = destruction. And trying to tell someone else they don't know how explosions function. The irony.

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#31 Posted by Cyttorakvas (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@worldofthunder said:

The power went into the city, not against Thor so he didn't take all that power unlike Superman who was actually at the very center of a nuke detonation while he weakened.

Exactly, this is always what it comes down to.

This is wrong:

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As you can see, the explosion started from where Thor was and went outwards.

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#32 Posted by deactivated-5ace9ec1d0243 (3439 posts) - - Show Bio

@projetwopntoh: Seems like the word "vaporize" confuses you. The entire city wasn't vaporized, or else there wouldn't be tons of debris falling into an ocean everywhere.

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#33 Posted by The_Fub (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

@frankthetank40: That's just a statement. It packs some serious heat to vaporize everything it did. It was a combination of heat and force that obliterated the city.

Eh I'll do some research about it sometime (regarding the nukes) but your statement actually sounded familiar so I'll take you word for it. Plus, you shouldn't have any reason to lie haha.

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#34 Posted by deactivated-5ace9ec1d0243 (3439 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_fub said:

@frankthetank40: That's just a statement. It packs some serious heat to vaporize everything it did. It was a combination of heat and force that obliterated the city.

Eh I'll do some research about it sometime (regarding the nukes) but your statement actually sounded familiar so I'll take you word for it. Plus, you shouldn't have any reason to lie haha.

A nuke would vaporize the top of the city as well. The bottom is another story, but the nuke would not fail at vaporizing every single structure on the landmass.

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#35 Posted by ProjeTwoPntOh (467 posts) - - Show Bio

@projetwopntoh: Seems like the word "vaporize" confuses you. The entire city wasn't vaporized, or else there wouldn't be tons of debris falling into an ocean everywhere.

What are you going on about now?

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#36 Edited by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

This feat is still better than Supermans nuke feat.

The explosion almost vaporized the whole town/city and Thor was at the center of the explosion.

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#37 Posted by ProjeTwoPntOh (467 posts) - - Show Bio
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#38 Posted by deactivated-5ace9ec1d0243 (3439 posts) - - Show Bio

This feat is still better than Supermans nuke feat.

The explosion almost vaporized the whole town/city and Thor was at the center of the explosion.

Wrong. Nuclear experts have put this explosion at 200 kilotons, while superman's bomb is at 475 kilotons.

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#39 Posted by BobLeGod (1461 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol.

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#40 Posted by Cyttorakvas (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@ithemanwithoutfeari said:

This feat is still better than Supermans nuke feat.

The explosion almost vaporized the whole town/city and Thor was at the center of the explosion.

Wrong. Nuclear experts have put this explosion at 200 kilotons, while superman's bomb is at 475 kilotons.

Wrong.

  1. The writer's stated that a Tsar Bomba could potentially kill Superman. The bomb in Batman v Superman could not have possibly been more powerful than this. This means that Superman's durability clocks out at 50,000 Kilotons.
  2. Thor was able to survive this level of an explosion and he was only knocked out, but he was fine directly afterward.
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#41 Posted by Royal_Warrior (5059 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol

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#42 Posted by deactivated-5ace9ec1d0243 (3439 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyttorakvas: This explosion is nowhere near the 50 megaton range. You actually aren’t serious, are you?

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#43 Posted by Mutant1230 (7072 posts) - - Show Bio

It far surpasses Superman but it's a huge outlier.

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#44 Posted by JefferydeDucke (679 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it still an outlier

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#45 Posted by deactivated-5d07416730d08 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor's Neutron Star feat still exceeds that.

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#46 Posted by APEX_pretador (21481 posts) - - Show Bio

The guy who OP quoted starts out okay but then goes on to ridiculous levels of wrong.

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#47 Posted by TonyStark6999 (2735 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor's Neutron Star feat still exceeds that.

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#48 Posted by deactivated-5d01cd4d1eb4b (2650 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is as durable as plot requires him to be

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#50 Posted by BreakOfDawn (2641 posts) - - Show Bio

@jefferydeducke: Not after the neutron star feat, tanking power stone explosions when heavily injured and withstanding being tortured by the power stone, the same one that one-shot Carol.

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