MCU: Nick Fury vs Phil Coulson - Who is the better Director?

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Poll: MCU: Nick Fury vs Phil Coulson - Who is the better Director? (29 votes)

Nick Fury 69%
Phil Coulson 31%
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#1 Posted by TheOneWhoPullsTheStrings (2746 posts) - - Show Bio

Phil makes things more personal than they ever should be for such an agency. This had led to some questionable calls already... It makes for great television, not a realistically better director.

So my pick is Nick Fury.

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#2 Edited by ANTHP2000 (27782 posts) - - Show Bio

I will have to rewatch AoS a second time and watch every movie SHIELD was in another one before I can give an actual answer to this tbh. I'll bump it then.

Peggy Carter > both of them though. The OG sht.

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#3 Edited by The_Magister (14286 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd have to go with Coulson, just because he's a lot more morally principled and his charisma inspires a lot more loyalty. One thing Fury does better though, is delegation and bureaucracy. He excels at managing SHIELD from an administrative standpoint, it's really quite remarkable as a skill. Coulson is better at logistics and tactical planning for operations, which is also a great skill.

@rogueshadow@rbt Thoughts?

(also, in b4 buildhare comes in with knowledge of SHIELD that is solely predicated on the films)

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#4 Posted by tethadam (567 posts) - - Show Bio

Nick

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#5 Posted by AngelJax (11756 posts) - - Show Bio

Coulson for me

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#6 Edited by Paytience (5010 posts) - - Show Bio

Nick Fury. Let's face it, realistiaclly...he's ALWAYS been the director. Outside of the personal fights, all Coulson really did was carry out Fury's plans.

Although, you could argue that Coulson is directly responsibly for taking down every single head of Hydra, so he's got Fury beat thete pretty damned hard. But that was a result of the aforementioned personal fights.

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#7 Edited by plotweapon16255 (7813 posts) - - Show Bio

Coulson>Carter>fury

He basically stopped planetary level destruction.

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#8 Posted by deactivated-5c830d4e319e6 (4952 posts) - - Show Bio

Fury.

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#9 Posted by JSDoctor (1645 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably depends how we're defining best.

Fury was director of a much larger SHIELD organisation than Coulson was, so his role was very different. In terms of having to manage the organisation on that scale, he was better. He also did things like assmebling the Avengers, responding to Sokovia/New York etc. But then against, HYDRA did grow within his SHIELD.

Coulson is definitely more principled and personal, so a very different kind of director. He managed to dismantle HYDRA, which Fury couldn't, though Fury could possibly have done the same if he were director during that time period instead. As a result of managing a smaller SHIELD, you get the feeling that everyone knows him better and is more comfortable around him - whether that's a good thing for an organisation like SHIELD is another question entirely.

Fury may be more efficient/effective, but Coulson is more principled. I think that Fury was better suited to managing the larger SHIELD, whilst Coulson was better at managing the smaller SHIELD. Both were well suited to their individual time periods. We'll have to see how Mack measures up in May.

And this thread makes me miss Agent Carter again - we never got a conclusion to that cliffhanger. Hoping we'll somehow see her briefly in Endgame.

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#10 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27782 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsdoctor:

Exceptional analysis. Granted I think Mack is a random hypocrite not at all suited for Director, but hey.

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#11 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

Fury didn't notice an organization-wide infiltration.

Coulson was infiltrated not once, but TWICE in his personal circle.

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#12 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27782 posts) - - Show Bio

Leaning towards Fury for now.

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#13 Posted by King-Ragnar (4168 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Posted by JSDoctor (1645 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: @the_magister:Thanks - and Mack did seem like a bit of an odd choice to me too. I was expecting it to go to May (experience etc) or Daisy (arguably the show's other protagonist with Coulson).

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#16 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27782 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by chicago_bastard (298 posts) - - Show Bio

Fury stomps

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#18 Edited by jayc1324 (26431 posts) - - Show Bio

Fury by far, Coulson only had a lead a much smaller version of SHIELD which is probably a lot easier. Fury also would never do something like Coulson did when he went after Ward, he totally put his own vendetta before SHIELD. Fury seems smarter and more competent to me. And we can't be blaming Fury for HYDRA infiltrating SHIELD, especially when Coulson didn't notice anything either.

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#19 Posted by MICKEY-MOUSE (36840 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: Um Fury did notice which is why he sent Batroc to the ship and Black Widow to steal a file during the ship fight. @plotweapon16255: Which he kind of has a hand in almost causing?

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#21 Edited by The_Magister (14286 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsdoctor: I wanted it to be May. She's extremely competent and level-headed, not to mention a strict disciplinarian. She makes Fury look like one of those parents that coddles their kids, when it comes to strictness. As for Coulson... she makes him look like a kid, in terms of strictness.

@chicago_bastard: Bro I don't think you watch the show, based on your comments on other threads lol

@jayc1324 Thanks for elaborating

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#22 Posted by The_Magister (14286 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Posted by blackspidey2099 (6734 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely Coulson - he's a better person and also has better feats like taking down the majority of HYDRA within a single night.

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#24 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: Um Fury did notice which is why he sent Batroc to the ship and Black Widow to steal a file during the ship fight.

All the more reason my answer stays as Fury lol

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#25 Posted by ArkhamAsylum3 (3920 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsdoctor said:

Probably depends how we're defining best.

Fury was director of a much larger SHIELD organisation than Coulson was, so his role was very different. In terms of having to manage the organisation on that scale, he was better. He also did things like assmebling the Avengers, responding to Sokovia/New York etc. But then against, HYDRA did grow within his SHIELD.

Coulson is definitely more principled and personal, so a very different kind of director. He managed to dismantle HYDRA, which Fury couldn't, though Fury could possibly have done the same if he were director during that time period instead. As a result of managing a smaller SHIELD, you get the feeling that everyone knows him better and is more comfortable around him - whether that's a good thing for an organisation like SHIELD is another question entirely.

Fury may be more efficient/effective, but Coulson is more principled. I think that Fury was better suited to managing the larger SHIELD, whilst Coulson was better at managing the smaller SHIELD. Both were well suited to their individual time periods. We'll have to see how Mack measures up in May.

And this thread makes me miss Agent Carter again - we never got a conclusion to that cliffhanger. Hoping we'll somehow see her briefly in Endgame.

This basically sums up my thoughts. Great analysis JS.

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#26 Posted by deactivated-5ca9389143922 (596 posts) - - Show Bio

I will have to rewatch AoS a second time and watch every movie SHIELD was in another one before I can give an actual answer to this tbh. I'll bump it then.

Peggy Carter > both of them though. The OG sht.

Wasn't she the one who allowed Hydra to infiltrate them in the first place?

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#27 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27782 posts) - - Show Bio

@totallynotjucas: She was also the one who created SHIELD in the first place. All these discussions wouldn't even be an idea without Carter.

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#28 Posted by The_Magister (14286 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Your feminist agenda is off the charts

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#30 Posted by deactivated-5ca9389143922 (596 posts) - - Show Bio

@totallynotjucas: She was also the one who created SHIELD in the first place. All these discussions wouldn't even be an idea without Carter.

Idk, man. Letting the Nazi death cult spread right under her nose seems pretty bad to me.

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#31 Posted by MICKEY-MOUSE (36840 posts) - - Show Bio

Anything Great Colsoun does Fury gets credit for until the most recent season, Colsoun was just following Fury’s blueprint and hell Fury brought Colsoun back from the dead.

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#32 Edited by ANTHP2000 (27782 posts) - - Show Bio

@totallynotjucas: Still, HYDRA and the Nazis were eliminated because of her. She had a vision, and it wasn't a vision of her leading an organisation, it was a vision of an organisation been led. Obviously she'd have a successor, and that successor would have a successor. Along the way, Coulson became the Director that cleared HYDRA for good (AFAWK). It was still all because of her. SHIELD wouldn't be an idea without Carter. I doubt something as big as HYDRA could be eliminated by anyone director in one lifetime, which is why it took 4 and we're still going.

I watched an AoS interview where Ming Na Wen explained how Peggy is the real deal when it comes to SHIELD today, it's honestly pretty obvious when you think about it.

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#33 Posted by Kevd4wg (12798 posts) - - Show Bio
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#34 Posted by Supermanthor (20136 posts) - - Show Bio

Nick

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#36 Posted by Paytience (5010 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: To be fair, Coulson was infiltrated by Grant Ward and Bobbi Morse. Fury was infiltrated by literally all of Hydra...which Coulson destroyed.

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#37 Posted by Paytience (5010 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_magister: I almost bought my niece that shirt a minute back, but sjw's are currently ruining it.

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#38 Posted by Emanresu_20 (2998 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: To be fair, Coulson was infiltrated by Grant Ward and Bobbi Morse. Fury was infiltrated by literally all of Hydra...which Coulson destroyed.

Hydra was already operating in Shield before Fury became the director

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#39 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: To be fair, Coulson was infiltrated by Grant Ward and Bobbi Morse. Fury was infiltrated by literally all of Hydra...which Coulson destroyed.

It should be easier, at least imo of course, to spot two traitors who you talk to every day.

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#40 Posted by Emanresu_20 (2998 posts) - - Show Bio

To be short Fury has basically set up everything Coulson had to follow. There were multiple times in the show where Coulson directly stated he was just following Fury's orders.

Also (clears throat) the avengers.

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#41 Posted by Paytience (5010 posts) - - Show Bio

@mickey-mouse: Coulson brought Coulson back from the dead. He was the agent in charge of TAHITI.

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#42 Edited by MarvelandDCfan24 (7538 posts) - - Show Bio

Coulson is dead because AoS is non canon

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#43 Posted by The_Magister (14286 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely Coulson - he's a better person and also has better feats like taking down the majority of HYDRA within a single night.

TBH that was crazy, Coulson caught them like fish in a barrel. It was ingenious.

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#44 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Fury.

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#45 Posted by MrNihal (3197 posts) - - Show Bio

I ike coulson,but Fury was better director.

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