@thesuperor said:
@hulkbusterx9:
He relies on his defensive fighting skills, not his stats. To say that is ignorant. He is literally made to be the best h2h fighter in the MCU.
That's funny, considering the Russo brothers stated that they were very limited in their expression of him as a fighter and couldn't vary his style dramatically, so he just kicks people real hard. Doesn't really sound like they intended for him to be the most skilled h2h fighter in the MCU.
He is decently skilled, with crazy physicals, which probably makes him the best character in CQ situations, but hardly the most skilled.
When did they say that? And under what context were they speaking. I feel like maybe they were referring to Steve before his SHIELD training because they've consistently praised his post SHIELD training skill from everything I've seen. Either that or maybe they were comparing him to other characters who have a variety of powers or abilities like Iron Man with his suit. But regarding skill they've always praised him unless I'm missing something.
They've said that he and Bucky are the two most well trained soldiers in the world(Link). And to just go over the other things they've said about him.
Directors Anthony and Joe Russo Talk CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER, Landing the Job, Core Relationships, Easter Eggs, and the Talented Cast
When discussing the action of WS in the above article they said the following
"Joe Russo: We do get creative with the shield! That was a big thing for us. The approach for us with Cap was this: In the 40s, it makes sense. He’s off the streets. He can fight like John Sullivan. It’s that style of big swings, the shield’s very pronounced, because he hasn’t necessarily been trained yet. Now that he’s in the future, he has a fast mind – it’s part of what the serum does to him – it’s a tactical mind, he learns things quickly. So for us, our approach was, he would absorb everything in that year, year and a half, all the training that he could possibly get, you know? And all the tools at his disposal would be affected by that training, so there are some interesting moments with the shield where he even uses just one handle on it. He uses it more in an Eastern style to fight people."
https://www.slashfilm.com/russo-brothers-interview-cap-2/
They've noted that he has knowledge of eastern techniques and can use his shield like a nunchuck.
Anthony: "We put that mandate to our stunt team and it was amazing. We were like, “Guys, figure out everything we can do with this shield. Think about Eastern techniques of fighting with, you know–”
Joe: "Or he’ll grab one strap which he does in the fight with Bucky later in the movie, but he actually is holding one strap and he uses it almost like a nunchuck, like three times in a row. And you’re like there’s so many ways you could use that shield as either a defensive or offensive weapon. Figure out what those are and let’s find ways to express them as a character in the movie through the shield."
https://geektyrant.com/news/exclusive-interview-with-captain-america-2-directors-the-suit-science-and-the-symbol
They've noted that he trained in all of the most current fighting techniques.
"AR: We put a massive amount of time and energy into that suit, because it was so important to us. I mean, look, for us it was Cap in this movie, we wanted him to start in a place of trying to embrace the modern world in this film, and not sort of being stuck in the past, even though he is, inevitably. So we wanted him to be training himself in the couple years he’s been alive in the modern world in all the most current fighting techniques, all the current strategies and military moves, et cetera. And we wanted him to be able to sort of craft, he wanted his suit to be an expression of the new soldier he was trying to be. So that suit is very much drawn upon the most current thinking and technology in terms of military war apparel. and that’s basically what that expression is, more or less."
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/captain_america/captain_america_the_winter_soldier/directors-explain-caps-stealth-outfit-and-more-in-captain-america-the-winter-soldier-a83977
Cap's new advanced fighting style also factored into the costume's design, says Anthony Russo. “It’s very much grounded in real military sort of functionality and purpose. He kicks a lot of ass in this film.” Dotting more on Cap's combat skills, Joe Russo reveals, “Cap is a very sharp individual and part of the serum accelerates his learning ability and if he’s going to be working for who he’s working for at the beginning of the movie, then we felt that he would be the absolute best at every style of fighting that he could be and that he would train himself to be the best to fit into a modern society.” Noting that it made sense in the first film that Cap had a sort of John Sullivan approach to fighting, Joe continues, “Now, he’s trained. He’s trained exhaustively among some of the best people in the world. So, you see all sorts of movement out of him and we did a lot of intensive research with our stunt team, a lot of pre-fight videos and things that we’re really experimenting with how he would move in this movie, how he would fight. I think people will be really shocked when they see his style of fighting.”
They've consistently regarded his skill and training to have been impressive. They've noted how they wanted him to know unconventional forms of fighting like eastern styles. They've noted that he's trained in all the most modern fighting techniques and they literally said that he's the "absolute best at every style of fighting he could be"
I mean they even said that you see all sorts of movement out of him and that they did a lot of research with the stunt team for his fighting style.
https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2014/05/fighting-patriot-thomas-robinson-harper-talks-captain-america-winter-soldier/
To add to all of that the stunt coordinator noted some of his fighting styles and that they mixed many styles to show that he's done his homework.
Each character has distinct fighting style in Captain America: The Winter Soldier with World War II super-soldier Steve Rogers (Chris Evans) utilizing a combination of Parkour, Brazilian Ju Jitzu, karate, and boxing when battling his enemies. “We mixed many styles to show that he had done his homework since he thawed out.”
I don't see how its possible for them to say the many things they have about both his training and skill and them to also think he is limited in terms of martial arts prowess.
On Topic: Matt is still the best if were going by living characters. Stick is the best if we include the deceased.
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