Kaguya Ootsutski Level?

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#1  Edited By Saint_of_Origin

Not really a battle but it certainly has to do with the battle forums. What do you guys think Kaguya classifies as? Planet, Dimension, Universal? I'm curious to see the generally accepted notion.

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@saint_of_origin said:

Not really a battle but it certainly has to do with the battle forums. What do you guys think Kaguya classifies as? Planet, Dimension, Universal? I'm curious to see the generally accepted notion.

Planet/Dimension level because it was suggested in the manga and elaborated in the databook. Also makes sense due to weaker characters being moon level.

Or she's technically just country level+ and it's just that her Gudoudama is hax in that it can atomize matter within a planetary range.

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She is Star level with her strongest attack.

Her dimension had sun-light, and therefore contained a star.She was going to erase all of that, she also created said dimension that had a at least one star.

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Planet level

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The accepted notion is planet level despite the following.

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Black orbs comprising the power of all five elements and yin-yang appear, forming a circle that floats behind them.Each orb is about the size of a fist and hides within enough power to completely obliterate a forest. With the power of All of Creation, put simply, the shape of the black orbs can be freely altered, and the many natures comprising them can be combined to manifest a variety of effects. It is a power that easily exceeds both Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Tōta.

Kaguya can create these universes, in naruto their universe is made up of the five natural elements and their mixtures plus yin and yang. Yang can be space you know the physical, form, etc and Yin is like time the conceptual, formless. Yin-yang together is like the space-time continuum.

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#6  Edited By MudaMudaMuda

Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy planets, use planetary telepathy as well as planetary energy absorption. That puts her at planet level.

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INB4 Loki_D comes in and says Kaguya is a universe buster.

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Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy stars, use planetary telepathy as well as planetary energy absorption. That puts her at planet level in most stats bar DC, where she is star level.

Fixed for accuracy.

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Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy planets,

When was this?

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@44orhsaj said:

@mudamudamuda said:

Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy planets,

When was this?

Creating her own dimensions. 6 of them, each containing at least 1 shown planet.

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@mudamudamuda:

And a star...

Unless, you could tell me where otherwise light would come from.

Kaguya is Star+ in DC.People just have to deal with it.

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INB4 Loki_D comes in and says Kaguya is a universe buster.

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She's at Living Tribunal level at the very least... She's only second to Batgod.

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And a star...

Unless, you could tell me where otherwise light would come from.

Kaguya is Star+ in DC.People just have to deal with it.

OK Ok.

I just don't want to make claims I can't back up since this star was never shown. It's not that rare to have dimensions with light but no sun in fact.

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#15  Edited By thelocust619

@itachi_totsukablitz: Kaguya is a dimension-wide(universe?) reality warper with planetary TP and country level DC (if she had star level DC she would have flattened Naruto at multiple points...that's just silly. You're saying low-mountain level Sakura physically hurt a star-level character?).

Also, her feats of destroying creating/destroying dimensions are via reality warping hax, not outright physically busting them. If anything, she only has one move that can potentially "bust" a planet or higher, but as we saw, it's far from instant and incredibly easy to react to (until it hits levels we havnt even seen but are stated)...she honestly wanted to beat Nardsauce before even using it, just to be safe. Her physical ability does not seem to function at those dramatic levels, as seen in her fight, so country is more appropriate.

In short, she is a country leveler with planetary hax and dimensional+ rw. Sort of a glass cannon, for her tier, but is thusly more likely to be paired with weaker opponents (based on her physical level and not her overall abilities) and win more often than not.

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@mudamudamuda:

And a star...

Unless, you could tell me where otherwise light would come from.

Kaguya is Star+ in DC.People just have to deal with it.

I would also put her around this level She can create life with her power so her power it self is god level but her personal power i would put around star+

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Planet level considering:

Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy planets and dimensions, use planetary telepathy through IT, as well as planetary energy absorption (through her Truth Seeking Balls and by powerscaling off of Naruto who has done the same.) That puts her at planet level.

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I'd say she's at least a small planet buster.

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Planet level considering:

@mudamudamuda said:

Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy planets and dimensions, use planetary telepathy through IT, as well as planetary energy absorption (through her Truth Seeking Balls and by powerscaling off of Naruto who has done the same.) That puts her at planet level.

I don't really see why you'd need to powerscal her energy absorption when she literally has the juubi whose energy is equal to a planet (stated by the intel division) + absorbed energy from everyone on the planet.

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Planet buster with mega gudo dama

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@etheral_dreams said:

Planet level considering:

@mudamudamuda said:

Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy planets and dimensions, use planetary telepathy through IT, as well as planetary energy absorption (through her Truth Seeking Balls and by powerscaling off of Naruto who has done the same.) That puts her at planet level.

I don't really see why you'd need to powerscal her energy absorption when she literally has the juubi whose energy is equal to a planet (stated by the intel division) + absorbed energy from everyone on the planet.

But thanks for including details.

If she's equal to a planet, doesn't that mean that she'd kill herself or knock herself out in the process? And it's a small planet at that.

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Kaguya's DC: Universal with Giant Orb, All of creation level-Star level

Kaguya's Durability: Below universal (though she was low on chakra when Perf. Susanoo cut her), tanked tailed beast rasenshurikens and the tailed beasts have power similar to perfect susanoo. Took a punch from Sakura who's chakra punches are on par with Naruto's.

She fought against two skyfather level beings (Naruto and Sasuke), Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo can destroy all things in creation since it's the incarnation of destruction, and Naruto used the tailed beasts which were said to have comparable power to the perfect susanoo.

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If she's equal to a planet, doesn't that mean that she'd kill herself or knock herself out in the process? And it's a small planet at that.

Kaguya can escape the AoE of her Expansive Gudoudama by entering another dimension.

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@mudamudamuda said:

@etheral_dreams said:

Planet level considering:

@mudamudamuda said:

Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy planets and dimensions, use planetary telepathy through IT, as well as planetary energy absorption (through her Truth Seeking Balls and by powerscaling off of Naruto who has done the same.) That puts her at planet level.

I don't really see why you'd need to powerscal her energy absorption when she literally has the juubi whose energy is equal to a planet (stated by the intel division) + absorbed energy from everyone on the planet.

But thanks for including details.

If she's equal to a planet, doesn't that mean that she'd kill herself or knock herself out in the process? And it's a small planet at that.

How is the Naruto planet small? That was a bullsh!t argument invented by unnaturally moronic haters of the franchise. There is literally nothing that supports this theory, but a lot that disproves it (the planet is explicitly modeled after and referred to as Earth, it has the same orbit and day-night cycle, same surface gravity, same moon at the same distance, ect.)

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If she's equal to a planet, doesn't that mean that she'd kill herself or knock herself out in the process? And it's a small planet at that.

Kaguya can escape the AoE of her Expansive Gudoudama by entering another dimension.

Yeah but shouldn't it drain her chakra and if a ninja runs out of chakra they get knocked out or die? It'd seem her cap is a VERY small planet if she wants to be sure she doesn't get killed afterwards.

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How is the Naruto planet small? That was a bullsh!t argument invented by unnaturally moronic haters of the franchise. There is literally nothing that supports this theory, but a lot that disproves it (the planet is explicitly modeled after and referred to as Earth, it has the same orbit and day-night cycle, same surface gravity, same moon at the same distance, ect.)

Well, the image in comparison has her energy as smaller than the planet.

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Yeah but shouldn't it drain her chakra and if a ninja runs out of chakra they get knocked out or die? It'd seem her cap is a VERY small planet if she wants to be sure she doesn't get killed afterwards.

No, because it doesn't take up all of her chakra to generate a planet-level Gudoudama. Given how only a few dozen ninjas are only needed to power up a moon cannon, the amount of chakra needed to generate a planet-level Gudoudama is far less than her overall chakra levels. It's more likely that the chakra she absorbed from the Shinju of tens of thousands of shinobi is the maximum chakra required to make that Gudoudama, and she didn't expend any of her own chakra levels to do so.

Well, the image in comparison has her energy as smaller than the planet.

That's the Juubi's chakra while it was in an incomplete form.

Kaguya ate the chakra fruit + absorbed chakra from Shinju of Infinite Tsukiyomi ninjas + absorbed a more completed Juubi. Her chakra levels >>> 2nd form Juubi.

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@ssjbatdan: @mudamudamuda:

@etheral_dreams said:

Planet level considering:

@mudamudamuda said:

Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy planets and dimensions, use planetary telepathy through IT, as well as planetary energy absorption (through her Truth Seeking Balls and by powerscaling off of Naruto who has done the same.) That puts her at planet level.

I don't really see why you'd need to powerscal her energy absorption when she literally has the juubi whose energy is equal to a planet (stated by the intel division) + absorbed energy from everyone on the planet.

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But thanks for including details.

So is this how people on Comicvine think... like children whatever they see they take it as fact without reasoning or logic behind it.

When did it ever say that the Sensing sphere was a model for the planet?? I don't recall it ever being mentioned, we know the sphere changes shape when it reacts to chakra or has bubbles. All that image does is tells us that the Juubi's chakra when sensed is the size of a planet.

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@ssjbatdan: @mudamudamuda:

@mudamudamuda said:

@etheral_dreams said:

Planet level considering:

@mudamudamuda said:

Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy planets and dimensions, use planetary telepathy through IT, as well as planetary energy absorption (through her Truth Seeking Balls and by powerscaling off of Naruto who has done the same.) That puts her at planet level.

I don't really see why you'd need to powerscal her energy absorption when she literally has the juubi whose energy is equal to a planet (stated by the intel division) + absorbed energy from everyone on the planet.

But thanks for including details.

So is this how people on Comicvine think... like children whatever they see they take it as fact without reasoning or logic behind it.

When did it ever say that the Sensing sphere was a model for the planet?? I don't recall it ever being mentioned, we know the sphere changes shape when it reacts to chakra or has bubbles. All that image does is tells us that the Juubi's chakra when sensed is the size of a planet.

Actually, I was saving this for that argument: it says "like" as in, it's not, meaning it could mean absolutely anything: from size, to density, to composition.

Anyhow, the point is, if she's only equal to a planet, it means she'd drain herself to take one out.

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@kirbstomp said:

@ssjbatdan: @mudamudamuda:

@mudamudamuda said:

@etheral_dreams said:

Planet level considering:

@mudamudamuda said:

Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy planets and dimensions, use planetary telepathy through IT, as well as planetary energy absorption (through her Truth Seeking Balls and by powerscaling off of Naruto who has done the same.) That puts her at planet level.

I don't really see why you'd need to powerscal her energy absorption when she literally has the juubi whose energy is equal to a planet (stated by the intel division) + absorbed energy from everyone on the planet.

But thanks for including details.

So is this how people on Comicvine think... like children whatever they see they take it as fact without reasoning or logic behind it.

When did it ever say that the Sensing sphere was a model for the planet?? I don't recall it ever being mentioned, we know the sphere changes shape when it reacts to chakra or has bubbles. All that image does is tells us that the Juubi's chakra when sensed is the size of a planet.

Actually, I was saving this for that argument: it says "like" as in, it's not, meaning it could mean absolutely anything: from size, to density, to composition.

Anyhow, the point is, if she's only equal to a planet, it means she'd drain herself to take one out.

That wasn't her energy, it was the Juubi's, who is far weaker than her. On top of that, that energy output was coming from an incomplete Jubbi. Planet level energy = incomplete Juubi's chakra << complete Juubi <<< Kaguya.

That's why she is able to create and destroy dimensions with planets in them so easily.

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#32  Edited By SSJBatdan

@etheral_dreams said:

@ssjbatdan said:

That wasn't her energy, it was the Juubi's, who is far weaker than her. On top of that, that energy output was coming from an incomplete Jubbi. Planet level energy = incomplete Juubi's chakra << complete Juubi <<< Kaguya.

That's why she is able to create and destroy dimensions with planets in them so easily.

Sounds reasonable.

Man, I was so turned off by the b/s, I don't remember her nuking planets repeatedly so easily. I took it as reality warping powers and just read through it. That arc dragged for me. I think after Neji died I sort of wanted it to wrap up, but it just wouldn't.

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Small planet-level.

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@ssjbatdan: Same. Just glad it's over, haha.

I wish Sasuke became Hokage as another middle finger to his audience.

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@mudamudamuda said:

@etheral_dreams said:

Planet level considering:

@mudamudamuda said:

Kaguya has shown that she could create and destroy planets and dimensions, use planetary telepathy through IT, as well as planetary energy absorption (through her Truth Seeking Balls and by powerscaling off of Naruto who has done the same.) That puts her at planet level.

I don't really see why you'd need to powerscal her energy absorption when she literally has the juubi whose energy is equal to a planet (stated by the intel division) + absorbed energy from everyone on the planet.

No Caption Provided

But thanks for including details.

So is this how people on Comicvine think... like children whatever they see they take it as fact without reasoning or logic behind it.

When did it ever say that the Sensing sphere was a model for the planet?? I don't recall it ever being mentioned, we know the sphere changes shape when it reacts to chakra or has bubbles. All that image does is tells us that the Juubi's chakra when sensed is the size of a planet.

What are you even talking about ? Who even said that the sensing sphere is model for a planet ? What I said is that the Juubi's energy was stated by the intel division to be equal to that of a planet. Read carefully before jumping to conclusions or calling people children.

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She's mountain to Country level at best but that takes too long for her to do. She's never planet or dimension busted just threatened to do so.

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#38  Edited By ComicEnthusiast

^ nice downplay there buddy.

On topic. We don't know how big her dime sions are. The only hint we ever got on her dimensions size is by obito. He describes it as being "incredibly vast". But I'll just go by the databook and say it's planet level.

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Planet level by hype.

Country level by feats.

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Planet level by hype.

Country level by feats.

It's also worth to note that planets and moons in Narutoverse are nowhere near the level of something like the ones in our world for instance.

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@atheistknowledge: The mountains look smaller, but we don't know much about the Planet, Moon, Star. If the Naruto verse was in space more we'd know.

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@nishi99: Well judging by how small the population is to be honest, they showed every country on their planet and yet the combined force of all of them was at best 80 000 soldiers... there are countries in our world with 10 million people that muster a bigger army then that(100 000+) and unlike them we aren't even in the profession of having "magical" ninajs.

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@atheistknowledge: Well they had 3 World Wars and the villages are small compared to the countries there in. Plus most people can't become ninjas or don't want to. Pain also stated the nukes the Akatsuki planed on making would put millions in fear.

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@nishi99: It's still very small, the whole planet has 5 major countries with 5-6 small ones, that's really nothing much.

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#45  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

Capable of atomizing a dimension, which contained a planet. No star was shown, nor is it necessary for light to be present on a planet, specifically considering she can reality warp it. Her Aoe, Dc, Range.. everything is planetary+ level, there's absolutely nothing in the manga that puts her above it. Anyone who even looked through the series will be able to comprehend that much.

That aside, "the planet and moon looks small" is equally bad argument, considering supersonic characters need three days to run a part of the map. On earth, even assuming they are barely supersonic, they'll easily cross more than half the planet at those speeds. A rather poor attempt at downplay, really.

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Capable of atomizing a dimension, which contained a planet. No star was shown, nor is it necessary for light to be present on a planet, specifically considering she can reality warp it. Her Aoe, Dc, Range.. everything is planetary+ level, there's absolutely nothing in the manga that puts her above it. Anyone who even looked through the series will be able to comprehend that much.

That aside, "the planet and moon looks small" is equally bad argument, considering supersonic characters need three days to run a part of the map. On earth, even assuming they are barely supersonic, they'll easily cross more than half the planet at those speeds. A rather poor attempt at downplay, really.

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Gotta love when people try to use real world logic to downplay anime.

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INB4 Loki_D comes in and says Kaguya is a universe buster.

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#50  Edited By ssj_god
@leo-343 said:

@mysticmedivh said:

INB4 Loki_D comes in and says Kaguya is a universe buster.

i'm quite curious to see a debate between

@darkraiden vs @loki_d on this topic

edit:.... darkraiden seems to put his input already :)

She's mountain to Country level at best but that takes too long for her to do. She's never planet or dimension busted just threatened to do so.

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