The Justice League Transforms in JUSTICE LEAGUE #45 - Darkseid War, Act Two

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#51 Posted by Divell (2616 posts) - - Show Bio

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@divell: Hercules must be jealous. The DCYou ought to bring in Hercules as a villain. Back in the Golden and Silver ages he was an enemy of Superman who tested his strength against Superman's but got replaced later by Atlas. Why not bring back Hercules?

Na, Hercules is not god of strength, Thor is. Herc is just a Superstrong demigod who can beat Supes and Thor with both hands on his back. ANd they don't bring Herc bc of Marvel's Herc's popularity. They would be copying Marvel.

Not really. DC introduced their Hercules awhile back. I think it was in an Aquaman annual when he teamed with Wonder Woman. Apparently he'd fought and/or been tortured by demons for centuries until he was driven mad. Wonder Woman hinted about wanting to go save him once their current mess was dealt with.

You can't copy something in the public domain, but you can add on to it, which is what Marvel has done with Thor and to an extent Hercules.

haven't keep up with Aquaman, gonna have to read some of it. Oh I see. in that case if DC decided to create his own Thor or Marvel create their own Superman (Hyperion) there wouldn't be any problem but if they ripped Naruto or Goku they would get a hell. Is that right?

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#52 Posted by ScouterV (7764 posts) - - Show Bio

@divell said:
@scouterv said:
@divell said:
@suemorphplus209 said:

@divell: Hercules must be jealous. The DCYou ought to bring in Hercules as a villain. Back in the Golden and Silver ages he was an enemy of Superman who tested his strength against Superman's but got replaced later by Atlas. Why not bring back Hercules?

Na, Hercules is not god of strength, Thor is. Herc is just a Superstrong demigod who can beat Supes and Thor with both hands on his back. ANd they don't bring Herc bc of Marvel's Herc's popularity. They would be copying Marvel.

Not really. DC introduced their Hercules awhile back. I think it was in an Aquaman annual when he teamed with Wonder Woman. Apparently he'd fought and/or been tortured by demons for centuries until he was driven mad. Wonder Woman hinted about wanting to go save him once their current mess was dealt with.

You can't copy something in the public domain, but you can add on to it, which is what Marvel has done with Thor and to an extent Hercules.

haven't keep up with Aquaman, gonna have to read some of it. Oh I see. in that case if DC decided to create his own Thor or Marvel create their own Superman (Hyperion) there wouldn't be any problem but if they ripped Naruto or Goku they would get a hell. Is that right?

They can create their own versions of characters, and names like Hercules and Thor are in the public domain as recognized figures. So, if they have a character with Superman's powers, but has a different name (like Hyperion) that's fine, and the same could go for Goku and Naruto or any character, but pure copies are likely grounds for a lawsuit.

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#53 Posted by Divell (2616 posts) - - Show Bio

@scouterv said:
@divell said:
@scouterv said:
@divell said:
@suemorphplus209 said:

@divell: Hercules must be jealous. The DCYou ought to bring in Hercules as a villain. Back in the Golden and Silver ages he was an enemy of Superman who tested his strength against Superman's but got replaced later by Atlas. Why not bring back Hercules?

Na, Hercules is not god of strength, Thor is. Herc is just a Superstrong demigod who can beat Supes and Thor with both hands on his back. ANd they don't bring Herc bc of Marvel's Herc's popularity. They would be copying Marvel.

Not really. DC introduced their Hercules awhile back. I think it was in an Aquaman annual when he teamed with Wonder Woman. Apparently he'd fought and/or been tortured by demons for centuries until he was driven mad. Wonder Woman hinted about wanting to go save him once their current mess was dealt with.

You can't copy something in the public domain, but you can add on to it, which is what Marvel has done with Thor and to an extent Hercules.

haven't keep up with Aquaman, gonna have to read some of it. Oh I see. in that case if DC decided to create his own Thor or Marvel create their own Superman (Hyperion) there wouldn't be any problem but if they ripped Naruto or Goku they would get a hell. Is that right?

They can create their own versions of characters, and names like Hercules and Thor are in the public domain as recognized figures. So, if they have a character with Superman's powers, but has a different name (like Hyperion) that's fine, and the same could go for Goku and Naruto or any character, but pure copies are likely grounds for a lawsuit.

what do u mean by pure copies?

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#54 Posted by Wowlock (907 posts) - - Show Bio

Soo ''Injustice : Gods Among Us ! '' ?!

See what I did there ? :D

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#55 Posted by ScouterV (7764 posts) - - Show Bio

@divell said:
@scouterv said:
@divell said:
@scouterv said:
@divell said:
@suemorphplus209 said:

@divell: Hercules must be jealous. The DCYou ought to bring in Hercules as a villain. Back in the Golden and Silver ages he was an enemy of Superman who tested his strength against Superman's but got replaced later by Atlas. Why not bring back Hercules?

Na, Hercules is not god of strength, Thor is. Herc is just a Superstrong demigod who can beat Supes and Thor with both hands on his back. ANd they don't bring Herc bc of Marvel's Herc's popularity. They would be copying Marvel.

Not really. DC introduced their Hercules awhile back. I think it was in an Aquaman annual when he teamed with Wonder Woman. Apparently he'd fought and/or been tortured by demons for centuries until he was driven mad. Wonder Woman hinted about wanting to go save him once their current mess was dealt with.

You can't copy something in the public domain, but you can add on to it, which is what Marvel has done with Thor and to an extent Hercules.

haven't keep up with Aquaman, gonna have to read some of it. Oh I see. in that case if DC decided to create his own Thor or Marvel create their own Superman (Hyperion) there wouldn't be any problem but if they ripped Naruto or Goku they would get a hell. Is that right?

They can create their own versions of characters, and names like Hercules and Thor are in the public domain as recognized figures. So, if they have a character with Superman's powers, but has a different name (like Hyperion) that's fine, and the same could go for Goku and Naruto or any character, but pure copies are likely grounds for a lawsuit.

what do u mean by pure copies?

Like, if Marvel were to take a character that looked like Goku, but he had green hair, and his clothes were different colors, but if you changed all that stuff to just Goku's color scheme it would look pretty much like Goku. That's a copy.

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#56 Posted by Divell (2616 posts) - - Show Bio

@scouterv said:
@divell said:
@scouterv said:
@divell said:
@scouterv said:
@divell said:
@suemorphplus209 said:

@divell: Hercules must be jealous. The DCYou ought to bring in Hercules as a villain. Back in the Golden and Silver ages he was an enemy of Superman who tested his strength against Superman's but got replaced later by Atlas. Why not bring back Hercules?

Na, Hercules is not god of strength, Thor is. Herc is just a Superstrong demigod who can beat Supes and Thor with both hands on his back. ANd they don't bring Herc bc of Marvel's Herc's popularity. They would be copying Marvel.

Not really. DC introduced their Hercules awhile back. I think it was in an Aquaman annual when he teamed with Wonder Woman. Apparently he'd fought and/or been tortured by demons for centuries until he was driven mad. Wonder Woman hinted about wanting to go save him once their current mess was dealt with.

You can't copy something in the public domain, but you can add on to it, which is what Marvel has done with Thor and to an extent Hercules.

haven't keep up with Aquaman, gonna have to read some of it. Oh I see. in that case if DC decided to create his own Thor or Marvel create their own Superman (Hyperion) there wouldn't be any problem but if they ripped Naruto or Goku they would get a hell. Is that right?

They can create their own versions of characters, and names like Hercules and Thor are in the public domain as recognized figures. So, if they have a character with Superman's powers, but has a different name (like Hyperion) that's fine, and the same could go for Goku and Naruto or any character, but pure copies are likely grounds for a lawsuit.

what do u mean by pure copies?

Like, if Marvel were to take a character that looked like Goku, but he had green hair, and his clothes were different colors, but if you changed all that stuff to just Goku's color scheme it would look pretty much like Goku. That's a copy.

So if they took a Goku and they put him in a different Karate outfit, change his hair color. but give him same powers they wouldn't have a problem?

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#57 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (7657 posts) - - Show Bio

This story is going a million directions and nowhere at once and I'm so underwhelmed. Everybody's Gods now and acting way out of character.

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#58 Posted by Knightsofdarkness2 (8155 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, Cyborg always gets left out.

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#59 Posted by CalvinRod (483 posts) - - Show Bio

Awesome. Excellent job of Johns. The art follows the plot level, very good.

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#60 Posted by ArtisticNeedham (2730 posts) - - Show Bio
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Doesn't it look like Luthor is becoming Darkseid?

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#61 Posted by entropy_aegis (21013 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is Johns best story in years then the man has a destiny of mediocrity ahead.

Convenient exposition dumps to the rescue in this one:

Mr Miracle just remembered that Black Racer just happens to be Darkseid's slave, this is completely and utterly stupid,shows that Johns has no clue what he's doing with the New Gods.

Parademons are fireflys' now and they need Hal Jordan to guide them because he's so bright and shiny...HAHAHAHA.

Random prophecy about a human saviour from Metropolis,that had to be the most asinine piece of story telling ever,Johns literally had to describe that whole thing in detail so that Luthor would actually fit,Prophecies should be vague but nope might as well have said "yes Mr Lex we've been waiting for you"

If they're so hell bent on making Superman evil then Johns should have made him the God of Apokolips, there is far more potential for that story,but ofcourse Johns had to satisfy his Luthor boner.

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#62 Posted by entropy_aegis (21013 posts) - - Show Bio

At this point DC should also stop pretending that Cyborg is JLA material,he works best as Teen Titans character,bring in Vixen or kick out Hal and replace him with John Stewart.

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#63 Posted by mysoulz (871 posts) - - Show Bio

At this point DC should also stop pretending that Cyborg is JLA material,he works best as Teen Titans character,bring in Vixen or kick out Hal and replace him with John Stewart.

This pretty much.

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#64 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (7657 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is Johns best story in years then the man has a destiny of mediocrity ahead.

Convenient exposition dumps to the rescue in this one:

Mr Miracle just remembered that Black Racer just happens to be Darkseid's slave, this is completely and utterly stupid,shows that Johns has no clue what he's doing with the New Gods.

Parademons are fireflys' now and they need Hal Jordan to guide them because he's so bright and shiny...HAHAHAHA.

Random prophecy about a human saviour from Metropolis,that had to be the most asinine piece of story telling ever,Johns literally had to describe that whole thing in detail so that Luthor would actually fit,Prophecies should be vague but nope might as well have said "yes Mr Lex we've been waiting for you"

If they're so hell bent on making Superman evil then Johns should have made him the God of Apokolips, there is far more potential for that story,but ofcourse Johns had to satisfy his Luthor boner.

This. This story could've been so much better. It's just meh story with God art that's not going anywhere.

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#65 Edited by Lvenger (36350 posts) - - Show Bio

@scouterv: Doesn't make the direction of the story any less absurd or cliched for it. Evoking a "everything was an idea at some point" stance doesn't excuse a rather simplistic and plot dragging subplot point that Johns is using to spin out one shot tie ins for each of the Leaguers when this was supposed to be a Justice League event sized storyline only.

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#66 Posted by randolphdefreese1 (70 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormphoenixThat is an artist not paying attention and doing their own shit.:

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#67 Posted by randolphdefreese1 (70 posts) - - Show Bio

how does a "powered up" Superman not kill Luthor with those blows?Superman with his regular powers would have killed Luthor if he hit him like that.

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#68 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (18863 posts) - - Show Bio

Manapul did the book Justice no pun intended.

@truemarvel: His book is sick though.

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#69 Posted by JuliusTakalua (379 posts) - - Show Bio

so there was lot of talk about earthlings becoming the new new gods but finally in the new 52they do it.. holy crap they finally made the JLers into GODS! What?

When are the New Gods gonna start appearing? Seems like a massive cosmic event! Not something they should miss out on lol

What other books are related to this event? Just Justice League?

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#70 Posted by bobthened (687 posts) - - Show Bio

@divell said:
@vance_astro said:
@divell said:
@suemorphplus209 said:

@divell: Hercules must be jealous. The DCYou ought to bring in Hercules as a villain. Back in the Golden and Silver ages he was an enemy of Superman who tested his strength against Superman's but got replaced later by Atlas. Why not bring back Hercules?

Na, Hercules is not god of strength, Thor is. Herc is just a Superstrong demigod who can beat Supes and Thor with both hands on his back. ANd they don't bring Herc bc of Marvel's Herc's popularity. They would be copying Marvel.

If i'm not mistaken doesn't Hercules become a god when he completes the Labors?

nope, Hercules completed the labors to redime himself for killing his wife and sons/daughters (story varies). He is still a demigod.

he became a god when he died

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#71 Posted by simple1dea (38 posts) - - Show Bio

Haven't liked Geoff Johns' Justice League run since Darkseid War which is becoming really epic and memorable. Not a fan of the way Shazam was chosen to become a God, for all the other members of the JL it was called upon by the story and more logical.

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#72 Edited by Divell (2616 posts) - - Show Bio

@divell said:
@vance_astro said:
@divell said:
@suemorphplus209 said:

@divell: Hercules must be jealous. The DCYou ought to bring in Hercules as a villain. Back in the Golden and Silver ages he was an enemy of Superman who tested his strength against Superman's but got replaced later by Atlas. Why not bring back Hercules?

Na, Hercules is not god of strength, Thor is. Herc is just a Superstrong demigod who can beat Supes and Thor with both hands on his back. ANd they don't bring Herc bc of Marvel's Herc's popularity. They would be copying Marvel.

If i'm not mistaken doesn't Hercules become a god when he completes the Labors?

nope, Hercules completed the labors to redime himself for killing his wife and sons/daughters (story varies). He is still a demigod.

he became a god when he died

no, he is considered a God but truly he is still a demigod.

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#73 Posted by ScouterV (7764 posts) - - Show Bio

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@scouterv: Doesn't make the direction of the story any less absurd or cliched for it. Evoking a "everything was an idea at some point" stance doesn't excuse a rather simplistic and plot dragging subplot point that Johns is using to spin out one shot tie ins for each of the Leaguers when this was supposed to be a Justice League event sized storyline only.

Eh.

I think that actually sounds pretty cool. An interesting idea to follow, as we see the Leaguers deal with their newfound status as New Gods.

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#74 Posted by Lvenger (36350 posts) - - Show Bio

@scouterv: It could be a cool idea but making almost everyone a god demeans the significance of it. Especially since part of it is to play on the 'Bat-God' fanaticism and make it a literal event in the DC Universe now.

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#75 Posted by ScouterV (7764 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: It's not like it's permanent for everyone here, and big whoop. So Batgod is official. Still not picking up his book so it doesn't really impact me as much as it might others.

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#76 Posted by deactivated-5c6600594117e (22316 posts) - - Show Bio

Terrible.

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#77 Posted by iknowwhoyouare (1631 posts) - - Show Bio

What's with everyone becoming gods these days? Marvel powers up their characters, now DC is doing the same?

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#78 Posted by Uk2897 (129 posts) - - Show Bio

@divell: Thor is way below Normal New 52 Supes in strength

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#79 Posted by Divell (2616 posts) - - Show Bio
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#80 Posted by Uk2897 (129 posts) - - Show Bio

@divell: First off.. We can't rely on calculations. If we could The Pre Flashpoint Supes' Mageddon thing would have been a huge ass feat. Second.. New 52 Supes benched the Earth for 5 days with ease. Also.. The best part.. He held 2 black holes apart. What that means.. Is that he needs to have the strength to hold them... Keep them apart.. Black holes are......... Heavy. So yeah.

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#81 Posted by DEGRAAF (8425 posts) - - Show Bio

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I honestly think Cyborg was just a bad character for the league. He doesn't bring anything new but better transportation. If they needed an African American super hero the should have used someone else. Umm maybe Black Lightning and instead of Shazam maybe Icon. Anyone can think of anyone who they think could had done a better job?

Or Vixen, with this animal power she is more "unique" the Cyborg and his generic tach power.

Honestly, with Vixen, she's basically less useful than Wonder Woman, but she can only use one power at a time(flying, strengthx100, speed). Sure, she could get Hawk vision or heat sense, but that's what Superman is here for.

Here's an idea. If we need a token black, just replace Hal with John Stewart. After all, the GLs are all practically interchangeable in power-sets. In fact, Stewart would probably use the ring better. But Geoff Johns and other Hal fanboys would shed hair over their ONE TRUE GL schtick. The only thing we'd be missing from Hal would be his fratboy personality, which we can give to Shazam since he's such a bad boy now.

I would be ok with Vixen but she should be on a B list team. I agree it should have just been John Stewart. He was always a great member of the team. If they want more diversity they should put Vibe on the team as well. He could even be there mode or transportation if they play his powers right.

This new Titans comic coming out based on the old ones should stick and that's where cyborg belongs. I like him as a JL member but they just aren't using him right. HE would work on another team if they made the JLU or something.

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#84 Posted by Divell (2616 posts) - - Show Bio

@uk2897: Thor overpowers drax with the power gem. Moved the weight of the Asgard tree that holds nine universes. Overpower Hulk who can hold a star. Thor's feats are bigger.

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#85 Edited by TrueMarvel (578 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is physically as strong if not stronger than superman. Issue is that, not only does he hold back approximately 2/3 of his true powers against mortals... Writers throughout the years have pooped all over him. inconsistent as hell. And he is basically a punching bag for any new big threat.

"you wanna show that this villain is serious business? Make him knock out thor in just a few hits!"

"Want to make hulk more popular? Make him beat thor, someone who, combat prowess wise he has no business ever beating" (seriously look up some fact books on thor, the dudes OP when he's written correctly)

Just bad writing. Essentially any book that isn't a Thor book, Thor was written severely under powered

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#86 Posted by Kennethmaestro (599 posts) - - Show Bio

@truemarvel: hulk has gotten the same treatment wanna know how powerful a villain is one shot hulk

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#87 Posted by Uk2897 (129 posts) - - Show Bio

@divell: Superman held two black holes. Black Holes weigh way more than stars. The end. And if ur going to use the tree feat then I'll use the book of infinity feat. He did pick it up now didnt he. Supes has greater feats. Thor has sadly been overshadowed by Hulk. While Thor is a more interesting character than Hulk.. Writers have given Hulk more power. Which is sad. I would have been happier if Thor was considered stronger than Hulk. But yeah.

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#88 Posted by Divell (2616 posts) - - Show Bio

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@divell: Superman held two black holes. Black Holes weigh way more than stars. The end. And if ur going to use the tree feat then I'll use the book of infinity feat. He did pick it up now didnt he. Supes has greater feats. Thor has sadly been overshadowed by Hulk. While Thor is a more interesting character than Hulk.. Writers have given Hulk more power. Which is sad. I would have been happier if Thor was considered stronger than Hulk. But yeah.

funny thing about infinite strength, doesn't stand a chance against Thor.

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Easily overpowers Drax who has the powestone at the time (the one that increase strength to infinite lvs)

and about Hulk

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Null (a empowered Hulk) didn't stand a chance against a weakened Thor.

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#89 Posted by Scribbles (129 posts) - - Show Bio

@_rain:

You sorta nailed my major criticism with the Justice League; once you get past the core of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern, what do you need anyone else for? At that point all you're doing is adding slightly watered-down versions of the Big 5.

The power set would have to be very, very unique (perhaps like telepathy, shapeshifting, or magic) to compliment what the big guns bring. Cyborg, Vixen, and even Aquaman and Shazam don't really do this.

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#90 Posted by Uk2897 (129 posts) - - Show Bio

@divell: Exactly.. Cuz the infinite shit is bullshit. :) Now when Thor holds black holes. Tell me. Thor's greatest strength feat imo is the midgard serpent. Also this should be on the battle forums if anything not here :P And it has been done many times and Supes wins.

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#91 Posted by Uk2897 (129 posts) - - Show Bio

@scribbles: MM & Captain Atom are way more powerful than those guys.

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#92 Posted by Divell (2616 posts) - - Show Bio

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@divell: Exactly.. Cuz the infinite shit is bullshit. :) Now when Thor holds black holes. Tell me. Thor's greatest strength feat imo is the midgard serpent. Also this should be on the battle forums if anything not here :P And it has been done many times and Supes wins.

i got a CaV with our name on it that proves u wrong but more importantly, i simply made a comment about Thor being the Norn God of Strength and look where it end us. Thank Thor all-mighty (not the movie) that this was Supes and not Goku. And btw pretty much a multiverse holding tree > Black Hole. and the Power Gem is not bull-shit at all. The Power Gem gives the owner access to all power and energy that ever has or will exist, and can back the other gems and boost their effects. Its most basic powers grant its user unlimited stamina and can increase the user's strength to unlimited levels depending on how much the gem is drawn upon. It allows the user to duplicate practically any physical superhuman ability and become invincible. It can also be used as an unlimited power supply for any machine. Though in drax's hand it only gives him the physical properties.

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#93 Posted by Uk2897 (129 posts) - - Show Bio

@divell: And Supes held a book that weighs Infinity :P

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#94 Posted by Divell (2616 posts) - - Show Bio

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@divell: And Supes held a book that weighs Infinity :P

and thor overpowers and beat the crap out of drax who had the power stone which gives the user infinity strength.

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#95 Posted by Uk2897 (129 posts) - - Show Bio

@divell: So thor is Infinity plus 1 :P You cant be greater than Infinity. That is why it is infinity. Ah well. I guess we'll never reach a conclusion. :P

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#96 Posted by Divell (2616 posts) - - Show Bio

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@divell: So thor is Infinity plus 1 :P You cant be greater than Infinity. That is why it is infinity. Ah well. I guess we'll never reach a conclusion. :P

Actually there is nothing as infinity there is always a limit to everything even to the universe, we are just too small to find a end, to us infinity is like the whole planet to a ant. There will always be something/someone bigger out there. Yet more importantly Superman's own limits are more clearer than that of Thor, they strength are just incalculable.

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#97 Posted by Tiamut (127 posts) - - Show Bio

Sigh-Borg...

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#98 Posted by deactivated-59953d77c6a44 (196 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like the changes or the arc tbh. But does this take place before or after the Batman and Superman stuff? Like, Superman has an upgrade in this but in his solo series he's depowered. Can anyone help? im kinda behind

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