Jason's new costume design sucks.

Agreed.

@castiel_18: @daredevil21134: Yooooo what did you guys think of issue 25? I only got to read it a couple of days ago since I was on holidays.

omg man Bruce humiliated my man. I DEMAND a rematch >:(

Is the Pengiun dead, like for real? I;m not sure?!

You should read Annual 2 it's the continuation of issue 25.

I really like the friendship between Roy and Jason.

Hate the new look

Honestly hope it lasts only one arc. Remember that even worse Jason with the camo pants and hoodie? That only lasted the first story of Red Hood/Arsenal.

Now apart from just his new look.......that fight with Bruce was total shit. I know it's pretty pathetic to bitch about it but come on seriously. Jason might be a punk but he definitely isn't a punk bitch. That said I did like the latest issue. Seeing him alone(ish) and being a bit for violent is awesome and I hope they can somehow make it stick without regressing his character.

@gilad_the_one I agree.

I LOVED Jason Todd in Lost Days and Under the Red Hood and I really wish they'd just stuck to that characterisation. They REALLY should have and I don't know what their problem was...

I liked him during his brief appearances in Green Arrow v3 #69-72 and The Outsiders v3 #44-46, which I found interesting. He was fine and reasonably enjoyable in Teen Titans v3 #29, 47 too (he wasn't out of character or anything, and in my opinion, it's always nice to see guest appearances of him whenever that is the case).

I had mixed feelings about his appearances in Countdown to Final Crisis, as I felt that some of those issues provided solid characterisation, whilst others were just cringe.

I HATED his characterisation in:

- Battle for the Cowl, where he was just OOC, COMPLETELY unlikeable, and treated with little to no respect as nothing more than a plot device (and the writer himself, Daniels, admitted in an interview was because he had an issue with some of Jason's popularity or something??? I'm paraphrasing but the interview basically went like: "It surprised us that people got behind Jason and supported him and his cause. So we were like, fuck that! and made him super evil. Try supporting him now "fans"".).

- His portrayal under FabNic in Robin v2 #177, 182-183 where he is written as a complete idiot a "blunt intrument" to be precise - (which is also a bit hard to believe, seeing as how capable and perfectly intelligent, albeit disturbed, he was in all his previous depictions in Lost Days, UtRH and others, and also, the fact that in literally the same comic he was able to take control of so many gangs) who clings onto Tim like a whiny child for some reason (even though he hated Tim).

- The New 52. The New 52 version of the character is EXTREMELY watered down (though it is better than Daniel's and Morrison's BftC portrayal, to be fair, as I suppoooose I appreciate that they didn't just randomly write him as a completely and utterly repulsive and irredeemable psychopath, and acknowledged his popularity). I mean, I later like his character MUCH better in Rebirth, but I still prefer the characterisation established by Winick, where he is a complicated, bitter, disturbed, HIGHLY HIGHLY flawed, but still interesting, very much human and three-dimensional anti-hero / anti-villain (flipping back and forth between both).

I agree 110% with everything you should said.

You get an A+ for this post. It's an absolute travesty Judd Winick never got a chance at a Jason solo.

Well fellas, what do you think of the direction they're trying to take Jason it now with a return to Gotham and another potential battle with the Penguin? Who knows, he might even finish the job this time around. I can kind of get the feeling that they're trying to go with a Kingpin-esque kind of vibe to his whole return and action but it'll be interesting to see where it leads to. Hopefully we can get a rematch with Batman where Jason does a better this time around.

Nobody even posted about event leviathan? Jason kicked ass in that. And his current suit as grown on me.

Been awhile fellas lol

@daredevil21134: What do you think about Taskforce Z? And have you read the current Joker series that Jason is in?

I read a little bit of it but I don't like the idea of Jason wrestling with his brutality. I believe he learned how to channel his anger and rage once he returned from the grave and it's senseless to me that he'd set aside his killing ways and embrace the flawed methods of Batman and company. I only read a handful of issues so I'm not sure whether it's changed. I'm not seeing he has to be written as a guy kills anything that moves but I liked how Lobdell handled it. He would put down the irremediable ones. But I like the concept of Jason leading misfits.

I enjoyed the Barbara romance though I'm pro Jason and pre 52 Huntress. That's always been a dream ship of mine.