Who is Jason Todd for you?

like all those trained by bruce hes trying to fight crime except he doesnt see the need to spare those who kill. has some issues with the bat family for not doing what he sees is the obvious solution and some identity issues fighting tim as robin,dick as nightwing,bruce as red hood perhaps trying to find his place after coming back from the dead by taking someones else . coming back from the dead does things to a man and to jason it made him have a long hard fight to find himself . whatever identity he claims hes a punisher like character who stays in one city to have a better impact rather than killing random thugs,druglords etc all over the world.

He is Jason Todd, no real way to describe him at times.

the middle child of the bat-family. you just feel for the guy and all crap rained down on him

Jason Todd is is the embodiment of Bruce Wayne's rage. He's Batman if he grew up without a good home, without a mentor, without money, and without hope. Then when he's given everything by Bruce—empowered by him—he's shown a real chance at connecting with his past, his real mother. Then this chance is robbed from him, he is brutally assaulted, and all the world—even Bruce—leaves him for dead. Sure, he was dead, but shouldn't Batman have been able to keep tabs on his corpse? Shouldn't he have figured out what happened? Then, when he comes back, Joker is still loose, still killing, and he decides that Bruce's methods aren't effective. So yeah, he's rage without hope. He doesn't believe Gotham can ever be better than it is—it's no more deserving of redemption than its villains. Jason just wants to bring the bad guys down and make them pay.

@fodigg said:

Jason Todd is is the embodiment of Bruce Wayne's rage. He's Batman if he grew up without a good home, without a mentor, without money, and without hope. Then when he's given everything by Bruce—empowered by him—he's shown a real chance at connecting with his past, his real mother. Then this chance is robbed from him, he is brutally assaulted, and all the world—even Bruce—leaves him dead. Sure, maybe he was dead, but shouldn't Batman have been able to keep tabs on his corpse? Shouldn't he have figured out what happened? Then, when he comes back, Joker is still loose, still killing, and he decides that Bruce's methods aren't effective. So yeah, he's rage without hope. He doesn't believe Gotham can ever be better than it is—it's no more deserving of redemption than its villains. Jason just wants to bring the bad guys down and make them pay.

@fodigg said:

Jason Todd is is the embodiment of Bruce Wayne's rage. He's Batman if he grew up without a good home, without a mentor, without money, and without hope. Then when he's given everything by Bruce—empowered by him—he's shown a real chance at connecting with his past, his real mother. Then this chance is robbed from him, he is brutally assaulted, and all the world—even Bruce—leaves him dead. Sure, maybe he was dead, but shouldn't Batman have been able to keep tabs on his corpse? Shouldn't he have figured out what happened? Then, when he comes back, Joker is still loose, still killing, and he decides that Bruce's methods aren't effective. So yeah, he's rage without hope. He doesn't believe Gotham can ever be better than it is—it's no more deserving of redemption than its villains. Jason just wants to bring the bad guys down and make them pay.

Pretty sure Jason had all that,a good home,money, mentor etc so what went wrong?

He's an ungrateful and whiny little douchebag. Bruce and family offered him everything, and he still acted like an uppity little ****. Then when he died, thank God, Bruce memorialised him and never forgot what happened.  
 
So then Jason comes back, and rather than being happy at the fact he gets to live again, decides to spit all over the people who loved him, and model himself on their worst enemy. Then he falls into misguided self-righteousness and forms an inexplicable hatred toward the Bat-family, all because little Jason wasn't the centre of attention.

@fodigg said:

Jason Todd is is the embodiment of Bruce Wayne's rage. He's Batman if he grew up without a good home, without a mentor, without money, and without hope. Then when he's given everything by Bruce—empowered by him—he's shown a real chance at connecting with his past, his real mother. Then this chance is robbed from him, he is brutally assaulted, and all the world—even Bruce—leaves him dead. Sure, maybe he was dead, but shouldn't Batman have been able to keep tabs on his corpse? Shouldn't he have figured out what happened? Then, when he comes back, Joker is still loose, still killing, and he decides that Bruce's methods aren't effective. So yeah, he's rage without hope. He doesn't believe Gotham can ever be better than it is—it's no more deserving of redemption than its villains. Jason just wants to bring the bad guys down and make them pay.

Well said.

Crazy.
BB

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

He's an ungrateful and whiny little douchebag. Bruce and family offered him everything, and he still acted like an uppity little ****. Then when he died, thank God, Bruce memorialised him and never forgot what happened. So then Jason comes back, and rather than being happy at the fact he gets to live again, decides to spit all over the people who loved him, and model himself on their worst enemy. Then he falls into misguided self-righteousness and forms an inexplicable hatred toward the Bat-family, all because little Jason wasn't the centre of attention.

lol.

He's a guy that constantly falls into the comparison trap. Instead of trying to be the best Jason that he can be, he obsessively tries to outdo the other Robins and even Bruce.

@fodigg said:

Jason Todd is is the embodiment of Bruce Wayne's rage. He's Batman if he grew up without a good home, without a mentor, without money, and without hope. Then when he's given everything by Bruce—empowered by him—he's shown a real chance at connecting with his past, his real mother. Then this chance is robbed from him, he is brutally assaulted, and all the world—even Bruce—leaves him dead. Sure, maybe he was dead, but shouldn't Batman have been able to keep tabs on his corpse? Shouldn't he have figured out what happened? Then, when he comes back, Joker is still loose, still killing, and he decides that Bruce's methods aren't effective. So yeah, he's rage without hope. He doesn't believe Gotham can ever be better than it is—it's no more deserving of redemption than its villains. Jason just wants to bring the bad guys down and make them pay.

Pretty sure Jason had all that,a good home,money, mentor etc so what went wrong?

He's an ungrateful and whiny little douchebag. Bruce and family offered him everything, and he still acted like an uppity little ****. Then when he died, thank God, Bruce memorialised him and never forgot what happened.   So then Jason comes back, and rather than being happy at the fact he gets to live again, decides to spit all over the people who loved him, and model himself on their worst enemy. Then he falls into misguided self-righteousness and forms an inexplicable hatred toward the Bat-family, all because little Jason wasn't the centre of attention.

Perfect topic for Jason Todd haters

@entropy_aegis said:

@fodigg said:

Jason Todd is is the embodiment of Bruce Wayne's rage. He's Batman if he grew up without a good home, without a mentor, without money, and without hope. Then when he's given everything by Bruce—empowered by him—he's shown a real chance at connecting with his past, his real mother. Then this chance is robbed from him, he is brutally assaulted, and all the world—even Bruce—leaves him dead. Sure, maybe he was dead, but shouldn't Batman have been able to keep tabs on his corpse? Shouldn't he have figured out what happened? Then, when he comes back, Joker is still loose, still killing, and he decides that Bruce's methods aren't effective. So yeah, he's rage without hope. He doesn't believe Gotham can ever be better than it is—it's no more deserving of redemption than its villains. Jason just wants to bring the bad guys down and make them pay.

Pretty sure Jason had all that,a good home,money, mentor etc so what went wrong?

Too late. That all came after his formative years. Jason was on the streets stealing hubcaps when Bruce found him. As for what went wrong, you do recall he was brutally murdered and then brought back to life via lazarus pit—driving him at least temporarily insane—and then was brought back to some semblance of mental health by a bunch of assassins, right? That's pretty "wrong."

I'm not saying he holds no responsibility for his actions, I'm just saying that it's not like his viewpoint is without precedent for his upbringing.

Jason is the most interesting character to ever call himself Robin. Screw the haters.

@fodigg: Are you telling me the reason why Jason decide to be the Red Hood was because he died.

Well meaby the name, but i dont think that his death made any difference.

Meaby his anger against the Batfamily would have being less, but still he would be a pretty pissed off guy.

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

@fodigg: Are you telling me the reason why Jason decide to be the Red Hood was because he died.

Well meaby the name, but i dont think that his death made any difference.

Meaby his anger against the Batfamily would have being less, but still he would be a pretty pissed off guy.

Would he? No, I'm pretty sure it's explicitly said in the comics and in the animated version that being killed by Joker, coming back, and seeing that Bruce never avenged him was what drove him over the edge.

A man should learn to change his ways or else. I want Bat-mite to tell him as he participated on the choice.

@fodigg said:

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

@fodigg: Are you telling me the reason why Jason decide to be the Red Hood was because he died.

Well meaby the name, but i dont think that his death made any difference.

Meaby his anger against the Batfamily would have being less, but still he would be a pretty pissed off guy.

Would he? No, I'm pretty sure it's explicitly said in the comics and in the animated version that being killed by Joker, coming back, and seeing that Bruce never avenged him was what drove him over the edge.

That explain why he decide to kill and use the Red Hood costume, but even as Robin he was shoting at people, smoking and calling "pros".

If he would survive he would become a Bad Ass Angster version of Charlie Sheen.

@DeathpooltheT1000: He used a gun as Robin?

@fodigg said:

@DeathpooltheT1000: He used a gun as Robin?

yes he did

@fodigg: Jason has a Gun.

That is Biwinning, because he have Tigers Blood.

Okay, so he grabbed a gun and started shooting with it, and even Bats doesn't seem to mind, but did he ever regularly bring a gun into battle?

@fodigg said:

Okay, so he grabbed a gun and started shooting with it, and even Bats doesn't seem to mind, but did he ever regularly bring a gun into battle?

No, but he killed people and he used to smoke in Batmans face.

Also, after he shot all that people Batman gets crazy on him and give him the, using guns is bad speech.

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

@fodigg said:

Okay, so he grabbed a gun and started shooting with it, and even Bats doesn't seem to mind, but did he ever regularly bring a gun into battle?

No, but he killed people and he used to smoke in Batmans face.

Also, after he shot all that people Batman gets crazy on him and give him the, using guns is bad speech.

Interesting.

Still, there's "i disagree with your methods so I'm leaving" and there's "hey, i'm back from the dead and I'm a villain now." Arsenal did one, Red Hood did the other. But hey, now they're banging the same space broad.

@fodigg said:

Still, there's "i disagree with your methods so I'm leaving" and there's "hey, i'm back from the dead and I'm a villain now." Arsenal did one, Red Hood did the other. But hey, now they're banging the same space broad.

Spits drink.

@fodigg said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@fodigg said:

Jason Todd is is the embodiment of Bruce Wayne's rage. He's Batman if he grew up without a good home, without a mentor, without money, and without hope. Then when he's given everything by Bruce—empowered by him—he's shown a real chance at connecting with his past, his real mother. Then this chance is robbed from him, he is brutally assaulted, and all the world—even Bruce—leaves him dead. Sure, maybe he was dead, but shouldn't Batman have been able to keep tabs on his corpse? Shouldn't he have figured out what happened? Then, when he comes back, Joker is still loose, still killing, and he decides that Bruce's methods aren't effective. So yeah, he's rage without hope. He doesn't believe Gotham can ever be better than it is—it's no more deserving of redemption than its villains. Jason just wants to bring the bad guys down and make them pay.

Pretty sure Jason had all that,a good home,money, mentor etc so what went wrong?

Too late. That all came after his formative years. Jason was on the streets stealing hubcaps when Bruce found him. As for what went wrong, you do recall he was brutally murdered and then brought back to life via lazarus pit—driving him at least temporarily insane—and then was brought back to some semblance of mental health by a bunch of assassins, right? That's pretty "wrong."

I'm not saying he holds no responsibility for his actions, I'm just saying that it's not like his viewpoint is without precedent for his upbringing.

Black Canary and Bane died(or atleast Bane almost did) and took a dip in the pit,they did'nt exactly do on a rampage,in Bane's case it was his own father whom he was searching for years so he would have been as emotionally hurt as Jason.

@entropy_aegis said:

@fodigg said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@fodigg said:

Jason Todd is is the embodiment of Bruce Wayne's rage. He's Batman if he grew up without a good home, without a mentor, without money, and without hope. Then when he's given everything by Bruce—empowered by him—he's shown a real chance at connecting with his past, his real mother. Then this chance is robbed from him, he is brutally assaulted, and all the world—even Bruce—leaves him dead. Sure, maybe he was dead, but shouldn't Batman have been able to keep tabs on his corpse? Shouldn't he have figured out what happened? Then, when he comes back, Joker is still loose, still killing, and he decides that Bruce's methods aren't effective. So yeah, he's rage without hope. He doesn't believe Gotham can ever be better than it is—it's no more deserving of redemption than its villains. Jason just wants to bring the bad guys down and make them pay.

Pretty sure Jason had all that,a good home,money, mentor etc so what went wrong?

Too late. That all came after his formative years. Jason was on the streets stealing hubcaps when Bruce found him. As for what went wrong, you do recall he was brutally murdered and then brought back to life via lazarus pit—driving him at least temporarily insane—and then was brought back to some semblance of mental health by a bunch of assassins, right? That's pretty "wrong."

I'm not saying he holds no responsibility for his actions, I'm just saying that it's not like his viewpoint is without precedent for his upbringing.

Black Canary and Bane died(or atleast Bane almost did) and took a dip in the pit,they did'nt exactly do on a rampage,in Bane's case it was his own father whom he was searching for years so he would have been as emotionally hurt as Jason.

Inconsistency in comic books? Shock! Horror!

No seriously they explicitly said that's what it was, at least for the initial freakout/rampage. If that's inconsistent with every appearance of the pit that doesn't change it necessarily.

@fodigg said:

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

@fodigg said:

Okay, so he grabbed a gun and started shooting with it, and even Bats doesn't seem to mind, but did he ever regularly bring a gun into battle?

No, but he killed people and he used to smoke in Batmans face.

Also, after he shot all that people Batman gets crazy on him and give him the, using guns is bad speech.

Interesting.

Still, there's "i disagree with your methods so I'm leaving" and there's "hey, i'm back from the dead and I'm a villain now." Arsenal did one, Red Hood did the other. But hey, now they're banging the same space broad.

The middle child. Really that's whats been defining him more than anything since he returned. He's the middle child who could never live up to the first and never stood firmly in the light like the third. Always having a hard time trying to define himself and figure out where he belongs. He's jealous of Dick, because he can't ever replace him in Bruce's heart and he's jealous of Tim, because people see Tim as the better Robin. Something broke in him when he returned and found out Bruce didn't kill the Joker. I've always thought that part of it was because he thinks that if it had been Dick, Bruce would've snapped the Joker's neck in a second.

I hope that incident that Bruce mentioned in his message to Jason (Apparently he believes Jason needs therapy for it) isn't forgotten about in the new universe.

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

He's an ungrateful and whiny little douchebag. Bruce and family offered him everything, and he still acted like an uppity little ****. Then when he died, thank God, Bruce memorialised him and never forgot what happened. So then Jason comes back, and rather than being happy at the fact he gets to live again, decides to spit all over the people who loved him, and model himself on their worst enemy. Then he falls into misguided self-righteousness and forms an inexplicable hatred toward the Bat-family, all because little Jason wasn't the centre of attention.

Yep, that's Jason for ya! LOL

@Gambit1024 said:

Jason is the most interesting character to ever call himself Robin. Screw the haters.

Quoted for truth.

Simple, Jason Todd is awesome.

He's the cheating bad boy (such irony) I wish I would have lol
He has some mistakes, but that's only because writers sometimes act really crazy. He's great character and very interesting.