Tony Stark's Fighting Skills

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Even people who don't think Iron-man is underrated, there is one thing that is pretty underrated about him and that is his combat skill. Surprisingly, Stark is not lacking any fighting skills. In fact, he is pretty good. He is not coming close to Captain America or Batman levels but it is not like he has a skill of nameless fodder or above average skill. He deserves to be called a skilled fighter and this thread will provide all info needed about Stark's fighting capabilities. If I missed some feats, feel free to post them. Keep in mind, this thread is about Stark's fighting skill so don't post feats which show his intellect, multi tasking abilities, tactical feats or marksmanship skill unless those feats were preformed while fighting someone. Providing context and issue numbering would be appreciated as well.

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Training/Skill

During the events of Demon in a Bottle, Tony asked Captain America, probably one of 3 best fighters in the Marvel Universe to train him in hand to hand combat. This training is something Tony will reference a lot of times in the future when he found it useful.

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~Source: Iron Man #125 - The Monaco Prelude!

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Here he references Captain America's training. He actually taught him few Martial Art Techniques and not just basic hand to hand combat.

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~Source: Iron-man: Fatal Frontier #11

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He wasn't trained by Captain America only. He was also trained by Black Widow, Shang Chi and Black Panther. All three of those people are one of the best fighters of the Marvel Universe. Shang Chi has skill comparable to Daredevil and T'Challa is rivaled only by the likes of Captain America and Danny Rand Iron Fist.

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~Source: Iron-man: Fatal Frontier #12

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His friend James Rhodes who was long time military soldier claimed that there is no way he could have ever beat Tony in a fair fight and the best he could have hope for is a draw.

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~Source: Iron Man #262 - The Enemy Within

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Viper/Madame Hydra who is a Master Martial Artist compliments Tony's fighting skills and claims that she recognizes Captain America's fighting style which means something considering the fact that she is one of Cap's greatest foes and she encountered him on various occasions. Tony was also able to get the best of Viper for a moment but he was put down because he lost his temper and focus because Viper mentioned Cap and was mocking Tony on being responsible for Cap's death.

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~Source: Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. Annual #1 - Regime Change

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Feats

Even before his training with Cap, Tony was able to land a hit on Mandarin while he was attacking him. Not only Mandarin Mastered several forms of Martial Arts but during classic days, Mandarin was shown to be strong and durable enough to fight and even overpower Iron-man without his rings.

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~Source: Tales of Suspense #86 - Death Duel For The Life Of Happy Hogan!

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Again before his training, he was able to caught Mandarin off guard and get the best of him, using his Martial Arts skill against him. Which is extremely hard to do in a fight against the Master of Multiple Martial Arts.

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~Source: Iron Man #100 - Ten Rings To Rule the World!

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Yet another feat he preformed before he was trained by Cap. Uses a nerve strike to one shot the Freak.

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~Source: Iron Man #67 - Return Of The Freak

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Stomps Hammer's goons.

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~Source: Iron Man #125 - The Monaco Prelude!

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Fodders are getting stomped by Tony.

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~Source: Iron Man Vol. 3 #41 - Aftermath

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Stomps more fodders.

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~Source: Iron Man: Legacy #3 - War of the Iron Men, Part Three

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Stomps armed fodders while being drunk.

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~Source: Iron Man: Legacy #6 - Industrial Revolution Part 1: Man on the Street

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Using knowledge he gained after his training with Shang Chi, Black Panther and Black Widow, he stomps Extremis Enhanced Solider who is not only a super human but is skilled himself.

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~Source: Iron-man: Fatal Frontier #12

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Overpowers the Mauler. Not only he was a challenge for Iron-man but he was confused Stark's Armor System making the suit almost useless so Stark used his fighting skills to free himself.

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~Source: Iron Man #156 - The Mauler Mandate!

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Frees himself and overpowers Titanium Man who held him in place despite the fact that Titanium Man is stronger than Iron-man.

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~Source: Iron Man #135 - Return Of The Hero

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Despite the fact that Tony removed Bleeding Edge from his body and is no longer enhanced human, his brain functions are still as fast and powerful as they were before. Tony is extremely good multi-tasker and has the ability to focus parts of his brain on certain task and preform them just as good or even better as one human can while focusing 100% of his brain on certain task. Tony was able to stomp armed goons without much effort while using 33%/one third of his brain. The other third of his brain was remotely controlling his Marvel Now suit while the last third of his brain actually entered into a time dilation mode with one-third of his brain that ran hacking program suites. In other words Tony was able to stomp multiple armed goons with 33% of his brain while the other 66% were focused on processed two extremely difficult tasks all at the same time.

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~Source: Iron-man: Fatal Frontier #5-7

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Cap didn't taught him Martial Arts only. He taught him Evasion Techniques which allowed Tony to get away from drones shooting lasers at him and outsmart them by making them shoot each other.

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~Source: Iron Man #258.1 - The Thought That Killed

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Takes down a group of trained alien gladiators by himself and beats them with a troll face.

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~Source: Iron Man Vol. 5 #7 - The Godkiller, 2 of 3

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Stomps the group of Skrulls, aliens with meta human stats and makes a reference to Cap's training.

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~Source: New Avengers: Illuminati #1

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Takes out ninjas (Masters of Silence) using pure skill and even beats them in their own game.

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~Source: Iron Man #282 - War Machine

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While in the water, Tony had 60 seconds left to breathe and there are about 5 sharks attacking him so he dodges the shark's attack and catches its pinna landing on it's back holding it in place. Then he bites the shark until blood comes out, making other sharks attack and eat the shark Tony bit while going far away from the shark before the other sharks caught him as well. This feat also shows tactical skill and physical abilities.

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~Source: Marvel Super-Heroes #13

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Holds his own against Doctor Doom and dodges his attack and blocks it by holding Doom's arm getting him off balanced. Doom is another Master of Martial Arts who was able to beat Black Panther.

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~Source: Iron-man: Fatal Frontier #11

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Holds his own against Captain America. He did have Extremis but Cap is enhanced human as well and superior in every physical way still (based on feats). To provide context, this happened during the Civil War and a lot of people died so it wasn't a friendly fight. Steve was angry at Stark.

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~Source: Iron Man/Captain America: Casualties of War #1 - Rubicon

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The Extremis armor's computer systems gave Tony Pre-Programmed Martial Arts Skills with "cast arsenal of fighting moves".

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~Source: Iron Man: Hypervelocity #2

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Apparently it is good enough to humiliate Captain America in hand to hand combat without the use of his superior stats.

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~Source: Civil War #3 - Whose Side Are You On?

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Hope you enjoyed seeing our favorite genius/billionaire/playboy/philanthropist kicking some ass without his armor (some feats I showed were Tony wearing the armor but that is besides the point). I will probably make a thread about his tactical skill feats and of course some feats of his intellect which is his greatest weapon.

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Good job

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#5 Edited by jrupert1 (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice blog, as always you know your IM stuff. I imagine this is in response to the vs Lex Luthor thread. His skill is definitely underrated, but I wouldn't hold the arguments made against him in that thread as something to be of any note. Still probably needed to be said though. :)

But as a side note. I'd be hesitant to place Captain American in the top 3 most skilled hand to hand fighters on Marvel Earth, much less the whole of Marvel Universe. Also, I think you mean Shang-Chi (who is the best of every person you mentioned here in terms of pure skill).

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#10 Posted by British_Loki (844 posts) - - Show Bio

Finally Tony getting some respect outside of the suit.

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#12 Posted by BruceRogers (17798 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice work mate!

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@krleavenger said:

@jrupert1: Thanks and actually no. I made this because I was bored. It is not made because of Stark VS Lex thread.

Lol I didn't notice. I wrote "Chang Chi" instead of "Shang Chi". Well when I was posting this it was 1:00 am so please don't judge me. I will fix it when I update the thread with new scans/feats in few hours from now.

I would put Shang Chi on top 10 but I don't think he is the best. I think Top 3 are Iron Fist, Black Panther and Captain America. Where would you put Steve?

Shang-Chi is actually more skilled than Iron Fist. Danny even admitted as much. While Iron Fist might have more raw power with his chi (especially after his upgrade) Shang-Chi achieved it through training and pure skill alone instead of it mostly being gifted like with Danny (though how he earned is still impressive). His control over his body is unparalleled by any non-super human and his senses rival Wolverine's despite having no powers. He's the go to person if you want to become a master hand to hand fighter. Training the likes of Wolverine (and he can outclass a Wolverine using his skill to a degree Captain America can only dream), he also trained Spider-Man (and helped him create and new form of martial art) while being able to match him in a fight despite Spider-Man's super human abilities, and he has trained Tony (as you mentioned).

Shang-Chi being better than the likes of Cap and BP isn't really much of a question. Now where Captain America would sit, that is a tough one. Not counting a handful of villains... Shang-Chi and Iron Fist are definitely better, Black Panther is arguably better, Daredevil is not only at least a match but his skill helps balance the large difference in physicals, even Blade is at least on the same level if not slightly above. Since even as a mere human he has taken out vampires and other super humans that would give Captain America a fight. For example Captain America would have lost to Baron Blood in a fight but Blade has taken out better by his skill. Wolverine's also in the same ballpark, as are a few others. Of the heroes of earth I'd probably place Captain America somewhere in the 4th-6th range of most skilled. But then if we go beyond that, we have Mantis, Moondragon, and Gamora who are also unquestionably more skilled.

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Nice additions. :)

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@krleavenger: It wasn't just a statement, it was an observation Iron Fist made during a sparring match with Shang-Chi.

That scan of Shang-Chi is out of context. He's not calling him his master, it's just something attributed to those who completed their training. Not once is Wolverine shown beating him or even coming close in that comic. It's a show of honor and respect. It doesn't mean what you think it does, but you're not the first one with that misconception. He's saying Wolverine is his own master, that is what fits with the context of the rest of the comic.

Also, Shang-Chi isn't that old so it can't exactly be his early years, and you can see the continuity issue. But I didn't say Cap can't beat Wolverine with skill, just not like that... not without taking serious injury and having some situational event to take advantage of.

As for that scan where Wolverine "won," he didn't do it with skill. Wolverine didn't land a hit on him, he just powered through a hit Shang-Chi laid on him (he's pinned Spider-Man like this). If anything his mental state only helped him in that instance. And Shang-Chi was holding back as he often does (he doesn't like to use chi and prefers it the old fashioned way) especially in the context of the situation. It was a surprise that didn't have anything to with skill, which is what we're talking about.

Your position was that Captain America is the top 3 in the Marvel universe (which is a definite no and only arguably of earth) and that Shang-Chi is reduced to the top 10. That just wouldn't be accurate.

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@krleavenger: Would Black Panther also saying Shang-Chi (in a more modern comic) is better than Iron Fist raise that percentage up any? Haha. But really, he's been called the best open-handed martial artist on earth more than enough times.

Well yeah, he has respect, but that's not the way your original post made it sound like you were saying. Otherwise it's not exactly a relevant point to bring up. It's a statement, which as you addressed doesn't mean much to you. :P

Do you still not see the continuity issue of the two comics?

Skill was a nonfactor. That last hit Shang-Chi landed put them against each other in a pose where an opponent like Wolverine could grab him. Had nothing to do with speed either, as in the same situation Wolverine has grabbed people much faster than him a number of times (as expressed with the Spider-Man example). Ignoring the continuity and training issue with your argument (it really is a double edge sword that cuts your argument either way)... Okay, Wolverine got better, but him at his current skill level still wouldn't put him above Shang-Chi. In that one fight Shang-Chi didn't know who he was squaring off against, had any factor been different the result would have been too. He'd either take him with a chi strike, a nerve strike, or both. An amped Wolverine in a similar condition was brought down that way by Dr Strange (in a worse situation) who isn't on par with Shang-Chi in hand to hand.

I don't see how you can still think this situation with Wolverine means anything. I don't think you'd actually make the claim that Wolverine is more skilled than Shang-Chi. And this whole situation with the point you were making could be applied to pretty much every character. So this doesn't discredit anything.

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@krleavenger:

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Also, I never said he's the best in the Marvel Universe, Marvel Earth is a different story.

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#22 Posted by KrleAvenger (26351 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrupert1: Then what character you consider to be the best MU fighter?

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#23 Posted by British_Loki (844 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: you should make more threads showcasing things like this for Tony, very good and educational read.

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@jrupert1: Then what character you consider to be the best MU fighter?

That's a very hard thing to really break down. Perhaps Mantis, but even that's speculation. She lost a sparring match against Moondragon once but it was contextual and non-definitive even from their perspective. Mantis was looking better for most of their match and she overall has better feats. Many would say Gamora but that's really hard to justify by feats and there's the benefit of her physicals to consider as well. Plus she's more a weapons type fighter. In pure hand to hand combat, if stats weren't a factor there's likely several people on Earth better than her, in my opinion.

The character type regarding those natural or un-natural enhancements make it hard to accurately gauge skill, and even their style plays a role in who can beat who. Mantis would beat Captain America easier than she could Iron Fist. While Captain America would give Iron Fist a good fight and likely even win some (unless he does an out-of-character full powered Iron Fist strike), because Cap's strength, durability, and stamina are better. Those things are the same reason Shang-Chi lost to Gorgon (who is another person outside of what I'd strictly refer to as Marevel Earth who is incredibly skilled but hard to judge because his insane physicals). Because despite Shang-Chi giving him a hard time at first (even with the disadvantages of making it dark and being unarmed while Gorgon had his sword), he didn't have the power to drop him in time and due to him busting out his strongest attacks (which he doesn't normally use) he was drained, so Gorgon finished the fight quickly after that.

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@krleavenger said:

@jrupert1: Alright. Just to let you know, when I say Marvel Universe I mean Marvel Earth, not all of the Universe or even the Multiverse. Sorry for the confusion.

Ah, generally I hear "Marvel Earth" to mean those strictly of earth (the planet), and then Marvel Universe refers to those not just of earth. Which would be people like Gamora. Mantis now that I think of it is technically earth born (human) anyway.

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#29 Posted by TryingToChill (966 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: Nice feats you got there. I remember one more feat that you might like to add, which is a suit-less Tony beating Daredevil in Superior Iron Man. I couldn't find the scan for the whole thing, but here is some of it.

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@krleavenger: didn't Tony Stark beat the Mandarin in a bare fist fight? You know, a guy who can punch through walls and is considered one of Marvel's greatest martial artists.

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#35 Posted by ZhangThong12 (243 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: it's from the Hands of the Mandarin. Kind of a shame to be a Shell-Head fan and not know about one of the best Iron Man vs. Mandarin stories.

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#37 Posted by Psy4 (325 posts) - - Show Bio

Welp. Good job OP what can I say. You made the claim and provided the evidence. Thumbs up from me too.

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#39 Posted by DCandMarvelComicFan (135 posts) - - Show Bio

And people think Tony Stark, can't fight without his armor on.

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