Iron Man
Character » Iron Man appears in 11197 issues.
Tony Stark was the arrogant son of wealthy, weapon manufacturer Howard Stark. Tony cared only about himself, but he would have a change of heart after he was kidnapped by terrorists and gravely injured. Pressured to create a weapon of mass destruction, Stark instead created a suit of armor powerful enough for him to escape. Tony used his vast resources and intellect to make the world a better place as The Invincible Iron Man. Stark's super hero identity led him to become a founding member of the Avengers.
Iron Man, Douche or not? and why?
Colt Python says:
"King of Kings says:"Colt Python says:"Donnieman v5.1 says:He didnt **lose** anything. He ended it. Pay attention.""Cap beating Iron Man is blasphemy"Espcially seeing as how Cap lost Civil War..."He lost his life..."
Or did he...?
Methos says:
"Iron man was also the shooter on the Grassy Knoll... didn't you know?M"
I thought he was the man in the police uniform by the railroad tracks.
Colt Python says:
"Methos says:"oh man... thats cheezy advertizing... well, i guess we now know where he got all his money from M"STARK ENTERPRISES"
http://www.starkenterprises.com/
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Okay, wow I was pondering on posting in this or not. I am an Iron Man fan, and infact I do like how his character is. Like stated before what makes him an interested character is that he has flaws. He isnt a douchebag, not really. He isnt the only one in the wrong in Civil War, Cap did alot of crap as well, using the Kingpin (who was tied in with Aunt May's hit mind you) and overall just publicly starting the fight with Iron Man in Civil War when he came to talk to him about registration after Cap fought and escaped from SHIELD. They took different sides, and Tony being rational knew he couldnt fight the inevitable, and thinks if he was the guy in charge of the registration act, it would go over better than someone outside the 'community' running the show.
I say the only sigh...douchebag fault of Iron Man is that he was a bit cowardly on the acts restrictions and could have fought for a lesser registration, or one with a little less rules. But he did know what was going on in the country, and had to be the face of the act, he has to take up the mantle no matter the cost. And aside from Clor, which wasn't just him mind you, probably saved alot more lives than if he didnt support registration like he did. As stated in Frontline he was a hero of sorts and could never tell anyone because they cant see a chink in his armour. And people saying Captain America's death didnt effect Tony and he caused his death are being totally ridiculous, I feel they are just jumping the bandwagon on the cheesy Iron Man sucks jokes that honestly got old after Civil War.
If anything it was really shown at the end of Civil War, all of Cap's death tie-ins and his own title, how much Cap's death impacted him. And in the other titles he cant ever show these emotions because he has to keep face, for the act, and now for SHIELD. Not to mention he really does try to put ends to means to all his actions, regardless of what it may do to his reputation.
Is anyone who tries to do the most good in a matter that can only produce two evils a douchebag? To do good when everyone else will dislike him in the community, to have his peers and friends disregard him, just because its the clearest goal, and the path that someone strong needs to take or it could be over for all of them? I think not, and I thought his actions too were a little exaggerated in parts of Civil War, but the backup stories and after, and even during in things like the Confession, and Frontline showed these aspirations of a torn man trying to do the right thing, not a douche bag.
And this last part is just me poking fun at the other side:
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Post Edited:2007-11-07 02:21:39
Pink Awesome says:
"Okay, wow I was pondering on posting in this or not. I am an Iron Man fan, and infact I do like how his character is. Like stated before what makes him an interested character is that he has flaws. He isnt a douchebag, not really. He isnt the only one in the wrong in Civil War, Cap did alot of crap as well, using the Kingpin (who was tied in with Aunt May's hit mind you) and overall just publicly starting the fight with Iron Man in Civil War when he came to talk to him about registration after Cap fought and escaped from SHIELD. They took different sides, and Tony being rational knew he couldnt fight the inevitable, and thinks if he was the guy in charge of the registration act, it would go over better than someone outside the 'community' running the show. I say the only sigh...douchebag fault of Iron Man is that he was a bit cowardly on the acts restrictions and could have fought for a lesser registration, or one with a little less rules. But he did know what was going on in the country, and had to be the face of the act, he has to take up the mantle no matter the cost. And aside from Clor, which wasn't just him mind you, probably saved alot more lives than if he didnt support registration like he did. As stated in Frontline he was a hero of sorts and could never tell anyone because they cant see a chink in his armour. And people saying Captain America's death didnt effect Tony and he caused his death are being totally ridiculous, I feel they are just jumping the bandwagon on the cheesy Iron Man sucks jokes that honestly got old after Civil War. If anything it was really shown at the end of Civil War, all of Cap's death tie-ins and his own title, how much Cap's death impacted him. And in the other titles he cant ever show these emotions because he has to keep face, for the act, and now for SHIELD. Not to mention he really does try to put ends to means to all his actions, regardless of what it may do to his reputation. Is anyone who tries to do the most good in a matter that can only produce two evils a douchebag? To do good when everyone else will dislike him in the community, to have his peers and friends disregard him, just because its the clearest goal, and the path that someone strong needs to take or it could be over for all of them? I think not, and I thought his actions too were a little exaggerated in parts of Civil War, but the backup stories and after, and even during in things like the Confession, and Frontline showed these aspirations of a torn man trying to do the right thing, not a douche bag.And this last part is just me poking fun at the other side:" />http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Zangus/IronManmotivational.jpg"
Lmao. Nice. Way to bring it.
Actually Donnieman I've seen your other posts and I felt the same way, haha.
Post Edited:2007-11-07 02:52:48
Well that doesnt support whether or not Iron Man is, or is not a jerk, he was right about how Namor doesnt rule the land as he does the sea. What it shows is how cruel and temperamental Namor is, which is one of the aspects I like about Namor (not to mention his recent 6 parter in The Initiative has been quiet good.)
Oh I'm not posting it to support him being a douch, thats been done to death in a hundred different threads. If you know Iron Man, then you know good an well he was a douch WAAAAY before Civil War ever started. There's a mountain of proof out there, some in this thread. That's just a pic I like to show of Iron Man's last breaths before Strange saves his ass.
Post Edited:2007-11-07 07:42:51
Buckshot says:
"http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/SaintSaturn/ironicman.jpgThat's the stick that's usually up his butt."
ROFLMAO
War Hero says:
"I believe he's a douche bag. Screw anybody that says that he was doing the right thing with the registration act. Somehow he caused Cap's death too. And Reed Richards is the same too."
RETCONNED!
EDIT: Apparently it works, the post is gone. Man I'm good.
Post Edited:2007-11-07 07:56:00
You know, what I just said reminded me of something.
When I first got here, and then got into a discussion similar to this, I was like: "Whoa, what's the problem with these guys hating Iron Man, it's the writers who made him do that"
I guess it shows that your perspective changes when you get even more into comics.
More specifically New Avengers - Illuminati Special, which came out in 06. You can pick it up in the Road to Civil War TPB I believe.
How fun would this be, LOL give cap a lantern Ring and Civil war would have gone down a whole diffrent way
speedlgt says:
"HE sucks plain and simple. hes everything a superhero is not supposed to be. hes goverment controlled he cause Caps death, he has done more damage than any villian could. I really feel that IM will turn all out evil soon. I mean where does the character go from here?"
I couldn't have said it any better, I am really bitter toward Iron Man. Like I said on previous threads, I am glad Hulk opened a can on him.
speedlgt says:
"HE sucks plain and simple. hes everything a superhero is not supposed to be. hes goverment controlled he cause Caps death, he has done more damage than any villian could. I really feel that IM will turn all out evil soon. I mean where does the character go from here?"
For a bottle of gin
shakes head He's a douch, but not just because of Civil War. I'm glad he did what he did, other wise there wouldn't have been an awesome story. He's a douch, but not for the reason you clowns are naming.
I agree wit Gambler, Wow I actually said it.
If IM did not get used the way he did then the whole civil war would have been cr@p. FOr me it started way back in the Amour wars, He has always been the guy with a big head who looks down on people looked what he did to Jan can anyone say A-h@le I mean come on, Tony has always been a twat !
But thats what makes IM so intresting, He is a druken twat in a suit of amour that could blew up a city what more can you ask for JK
Define douche?
Tony might have had good intentions but the saying the road to hell is paved with good intentions, isn't just a collection of words.
Tony has always had this way of doing things that were questionable at best. All the stuff that I have read up on him over the years has brought me to that conclusion.
I don't believe he killed Cap thou he did provide an opening which was taking advantage of by those he did. Tony was against the registration act going as far as setting up the fake assassination attempt in effort to manipulate things which would give him his outcome. He changed his tune after the whole bombing incident which actually put the bill on the fast track and he found himself trying to contain the extremities of the registration act which would have most likely banned the use of superpowers entirely.
That said, he could have been less extreme in the extent of how he chose to enforce the bill as well as how he went about pretty much everything. I impart blame Extremist as I believe that this suit has too much influence. Let me clarify that, the processing of things are that of a logical machine and it calculations and what not can give Tony ideas of possible outcomes. Reed after all had said to Sue that Tony had shown him things which persuaded him and changed his view of things.
Then there is the sniffling Pym who I really can't stand because the man seems to suffer from a permanent inferiority complex. The 3 of them together is just asking for trouble.
And while I really am not a fan of Cap and honestly could careless about his demise, mudsling about the use of his tactics (i.e. the reference to King Pin) Where as Tony brought in the Thunderbolts and don't even get me started on the Clor business, is hardly a smart move.
I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a Skrull cause that would just be so wrong.
Vulcanmax says:
"Define douche?Tony might have had good intentions but the saying the road to hell is paved with good intentions, isn't just a collection of words.Tony has always had this way of doing things that were questionable at best. All the stuff that I have read up on him over the years has brought me to that conclusion.I don't believe he killed Cap thou he did provide an opening which was taking advantage of by those he did. Tony was against the registration act going as far as setting up the fake assassination attempt in effort to manipulate things which would give him his outcome. He changed his tune after the whole bombing incident which actually put the bill on the fast track and he found himself trying to contain the extremities of the registration act which would have most likely banned the use of superpowers entirely.That said, he could have been less extreme in the extent of how he chose to enforce the bill as well as how he went about pretty much everything. I impart blame Extremist as I believe that this suit has too much influence. Let me clarify that, the processing of things are that of a logical machine and it calculations and what not can give Tony ideas of possible outcomes. Reed after all had said to Sue that Tony had shown him things which persuaded him and changed his view of things.Then there is the sniffling Pym who I really can't stand because the man seems to suffer from a permanent inferiority complex. The 3 of them together is just asking for trouble.And while I really am not a fan of Cap and honestly could careless about his demise, mudsling about the use of his tactics (i.e. the reference to King Pin) Where as Tony brought in the Thunderbolts and don't even get me started on the Clor business, is hardly a smart move.I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a Skrull cause that would just be so wrong. "
Again, Tony was a douchbag (scumbag, loser, asshole) before Civil War. All the Pro-Tony guys keep wanting to defend him on his actions in Civil War, and all the Ant-Tony haters keep wanting to use Civil War as there proof. Here are some other examples of o'l douchbag in action
Avengers #347
After defeating the Kree High Intelligence, Cap wants to make him stand trail for his crimes. With his back turned, Iron Man decides that aint gonna work. One repulser blast later, its no longer an issue.
Iron Man #172
It takes Cap slapping Tony like a bitch, to get him to put down the bottle. What a disgrace.
Avengers #224
Tony starts romancing Hank Pym's wife, the Wasp. Not only does he bag his good friends ex, he does it without telling her that he's actually her teammate Iron Man. There romance becomes front page material for People magazine. What an assh*le.
Iron Man #228
After Iron Man's armor technology is stolen, he goes on a rampage. Steve steps in an tries to stop him. Eventually Tony finds himself outside a maximum security prison called the Vault. When Steve turns his back (see the pattern?) to help a security guard, Tony zaps him and completes his rampage, and also allows several supervillains to escape in the process.
No tell me, who's not a douch?
Post Edited:2007-11-07 16:53:39
King of Kings says:
"Vulcanmax says:"Define douche? Tony might have had good intentions but the saying the road to hell is paved with good intentions, isn't just a collection of words. Tony has always had this way of doing things that were questionable at best. All the stuff that I have read up on him over the years has brought me to that conclusion. I don't believe he killed Cap thou he did provide an opening which was taking advantage of by those he did. Tony was against the registration act going as far as setting up the fake assassination attempt in effort to manipulate things which would give him his outcome. He changed his tune after the whole bombing incident which actually put the bill on the fast track and he found himself trying to contain the extremities of the registration act which would have most likely banned the use of superpowers entirely. That said, he could have been less extreme in the extent of how he chose to enforce the bill as well as how he went about pretty much everything. I impart blame Extremist as I believe that this suit has too much influence. Let me clarify that, the processing of things are that of a logical machine and it calculations and what not can give Tony ideas of possible outcomes. Reed after all had said to Sue that Tony had shown him things which persuaded him and changed his view of things. Then there is the sniffling Pym who I really can't stand because the man seems to suffer from a permanent inferiority complex. The 3 of them together is just asking for trouble. And while I really am not a fan of Cap and honestly could careless about his demise, mudsling about the use of his tactics (i.e. the reference to King Pin) Where as Tony brought in the Thunderbolts and don't even get me started on the Clor business, is hardly a smart move. I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a Skrull cause that would just be so wrong. "Again, Tony was a douchbag (scumbag, loser, asshole) before Civil War. All the Pro-Tony guys keep wanting to defend him on his actions in Civil War, and all the Ant-Tony haters keep wanting to use Civil War as there proof. Here are some other examples of o'l douchbag in action **Avengers #347** After defeating the Kree High Intelligence, Cap wants to make him stand trail for his crimes. With his back turned, Iron Man decides that aint gonna work. One repulser blast later, its no longer an issue. **Iron Man #172** It takes Cap slapping Tony like a bitch, to get him to put down the bottle. What a disgrace. **Avengers #224** Tony starts romancing Hank Pym's wife, the Wasp. Not only does he bag his good friends ex, he does it without telling her that he's actually her teammate Iron Man. There romance becomes front page material for People magazine. What an asshole. **Iron Man #228** After Iron Man's armor technology is stolen, he goes on a rampage. Steve steps in an tries to stop him. Eventually Tony finds himself outside a maximum security prison called the Vault. When Steve turns his back (see the pattern?) to help a security guard, Tony zaps him and completes his rampage, and also allows several supervillains to escape in the process. No tell me, who's not a douch?"
DOUCHE, that says it all, this is DOUCHE PROOF
Okay, you made several points that he was truly an ass and has been seemingly before he donned the Extremist.
Question what makes him such a principle person for douche title as oppose to Prof. X, Namor, Reed, Pym the 'good friend'.
As for telling Janet about him being Ironman a non-issue it isn't called a secret Identity for nothing. Besides if Tony told every single woman he ever slept with that he was Ironman he might as well just send out a press release.
Aside from that didn't Janet hook up with Clint who was also a team-mate. not sure if he and Pym were ever friends but my point is Tony telling her he was a teammate doesn't really seem to would have been an issue for her.
The bout with alcoholism usually takes the intervention. i.e. someone to slap some sense into the alcoholic (sometimes literally) hardly a douche-evidence unless you mean the alcoholism itself.
Vulcanmax says:
"Okay, you made several points that he was truly an ass and has been seemingly before he donned the Extremist.Question what makes him such a principle person for douche title as oppose to Prof. X, Namor, Reed, Pym the 'good friend'.As for telling Janet about him being Ironman a non-issue it isn't called a secret Identity for nothing. Besides if Tony told every single woman he ever slept with that he was Ironman he might as well just send out a press release.Aside from that didn't Janet hook up with Clint who was also a team-mate. not sure if he and Pym were ever friends but my point is Tony telling her he was a teammate doesn't really seem to would have been an issue for her.The bout with alcoholism usually takes the intervention. i.e. someone to slap some sense into the alcoholic (sometimes literally) hardly a douche-evidence unless you mean the alcoholism itself."
It wasnt just SOME women, it was one of his oldest friends ex %$#@ing wife. I don't know where you come from, but where I'm from you dont bang your boyz wife, ex or not. Thats one of if not thee lowest thing you can do. Dont try and play it off as if it were some cheap ass bitch with no understanding of a secret identity.
And as far as her and Clint hooking up, that was a good 10 years later. WAAAAY after the beatings and the separation. Tony pounced on her less then a week later. I dont know much about ya, but its laughable for you to stick up for a buddy %$#@er.
Colt Python says:
"I can't believe you people are still debating this.Tony Stark is a douche! I don't think he does it purposely or he just does things to piss people of but his personal gain and well-being is very important to him.Was it a douche move to have sex with Janet..Yes.But it's sex! Whose going to turn down sex from a woman with no current spouse? Anyone? Anyone gonna turn the sex down? Was it a douche move for Iron Man to clone Thor? Absolutely, but this is war and Tony was trying to win.Is Tony Stark a douche because he has a problem with alchoholism? Now that..of course not.Nobody wants the be an alcoholic..it's an addiction one that so many people can't beat.Tony has definately made some douche decisions but so what..big deal.He's a man! Men make mistakes.I don't think he meant to be a douche to people when he made the decisions he did.Anyone who reads Iron Man now and who read Fallen son knows Iron Man didn't want anyone to get hurt during Civil War but then again it is still a war and he thought him winning was the best thing for everyone."
Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Your first couple sentences sound like a guy who cant get laid. Its not that hard to pass on not %$#@ing your friends ex-wife. There's over a million women out there, and for someone like Tony, a million on top of that. The guys suppose to be a SUPERHERO, not some nerd who's scared that if he passes up sex he may never get another shot.
Look, its not complicated, Marvel MADE Iron Man a flawed character. Thats the WHOLE point. They didn't want a god, they didn't wont an American symbol, they wanted a man, a man with real life issues, and real life flaws. Its the whole core of his character to be a douce. The guy you love to hate.
Colt Python says:
"I can't believe you people are still debating this.Tony Stark is a douche! I don't think he does it purposely or he just does things to piss people of but his personal gain and well-being is very important to him.Was it a douche move to have sex with Janet..Yes.But it's sex! Whose going to turn down sex from a woman with no current spouse? Anyone? Anyone gonna turn the sex down? Was it a douche move for Iron Man to clone Thor? Absolutely, but this is war and Tony was trying to win.Is Tony Stark a douche because he has a problem with alchoholism? Now that..of course not.Nobody wants the be an alcoholic..it's an addiction one that so many people can't beat.Tony has definately made some douche decisions but so what..big deal.He's a man! Men make mistakes.I don't think he meant to be a douche to people when he made the decisions he did.Anyone who reads Iron Man now and who read Fallen son knows Iron Man didn't want anyone to get hurt during Civil War but then again it is still a war and he thought him winning was the best thing for everyone."
awesome. great points. my dad is an alcoholic BUT has been sober for about a year.
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