Does Iron man even have any weaknesses ??

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#101 Posted by Adriusus (3236 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he has none.

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#105 Edited by Thekillerklok (10199 posts) - - Show Bio

Tinman would casually get smurfed via many spiritual category attacks.

AOE based Auras that can evaporate souls for example.

Does that count?

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#107 Posted by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

@whoisthebest: His armor isn't "a regular machine" so wherever you got that quote from, it's kind of illogical. He has been immune to magnetism for awhile now and his armor can absorb electricity.

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#109 Edited by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

@whoisthebest: Well I guess we'd have to define "high amounts of electricity" because he's absorbed Thor's lightning just fine before.

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#110 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

Booze

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#112 Posted by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

@whoisthebest: I agree, but it's not really much of a weakness if even Thor's lightning can't overload him.

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#114 Edited by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

@whoisthebest: Thor's lightning should still be better than them. Tony's fought Shocker and Electro and stomped them, but they are honestly kind of fodder in comparison to Thor when it comes to energy projection.

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#116 Posted by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

@whoisthebest: When Thor was mind-controlled he did try to kill Iron Man, so yeah...

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#118 Posted by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

@whoisthebest: Even though it's literally happened before in comics like 3 times...? What do you say about this scan where Thor was mind-controlled and trying to kill Iron Man? I'm not saying Iron Man can absorb infinite amounts of lightning or electricity, but if someone shoots electricity weaker than Thor's it's not going to work. Period.

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#120 Edited by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

@whoisthebest: If he's mind-controlled and trying to kill Iron Man then why would he use normal lightning bolts? Why hold back and consciously use weaker attacks? Also, do you even have any proof that he can shoot normal or magical lightning bolts or are we just going off of a wikipedia page again? When Thor blasted Iron Man with lightning it came out of Mjolnir, not the sky, so I doubt that it was normal lightning. Thor's super strong attacks like a godblast or an antimatter blast could one-shot Tony, sure, but that's not really saying much because he could probably even one-shot someone even more durable like Hulk or Juggernaut. Teleporting him to hell isn't going to work because he has survived jumping in a Dwarven forge oven capable of melting Uru. His armor has thermocouples which absorbs heat in order to buff his shields and power levels. Although, if he teleported him he probably couldn't escape so that'd count as a BFR. We're going off-topic here. We're not in a thread about Thor vs Iron Man. It's about his weaknesses. The point of all of this is that electricity isn't a weakness of Stark's. A weakness of Stark's would be alcoholism.

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#122 Edited by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

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If he's mind-controlled and trying to kill Ironman why wouldn't he just use a Godblast or teleport him to hell and get it over with?

Because he thinks that hitting him with lightning or hits from Mjolnir would be good enough. It's not an in character thing for him to use the godblast or teleportation ability. Most of the time he smacks people around or uses lightning. That's like saying, "He wasn't trying to kill the Void during Siege because he didn't use the godblast or teleport him." That just doesn't hold up. In Siege, he was obviously trying to kill the Sentry, but you didn't see him using any of the strategies that you are suggesting, did he? It's an out of character thing to do. His go-to attacks are lightning and hitting with Mjolnir. If he knows that those attacks aren't working or doing anything, then he'll resort to his more powerful strategies and attacks. However, his lightning projection and hits from Mjolnir are nothing to laugh at either. Especially when he's trying to kill someone with them.

It's not relevant whether the lightning comes from Mjolnir or comes from the sky, I provided you the thread earlier, you can check it out if you want. Thor's lightning can be extremely powerful or as weak as regular lightning bolts. He himself has the ability to control the power of his lightning, Mjolnir has nothing to do with it. He doesn't even need Mjolnir to use lightning. Period.

That thread literally had no sources and only like 3-4 people claimed that it varied. Everyone else agreed that it was magic. Not that consensus even makes a difference. If there's no sources or evidence, then it's not valid. If everyone agrees that the moon is made of cheese does that prove a point? No. Unless someone can prove that he uses magic bolts and normal bolts then we should assume they are all magical since he's able to hurt such powerful characters with his lightning. I mean do you really think that a normal lightning bolt would hurt someone like Hyperion or Hulk? Also, if Mjolnir summons lightning it's magical since that hammer is enchanted. Even in that thread that you linked me someone made this post:

"His bolts are 100% magic, he even has different TYPES of bolts for different situations."

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Tony jumped into a forge of molten Uru- and then left. That was in his bleeding edge suit as well. We both know he wouldn't survive if he just stayed sitting in the forge. Yes, we are all aware that Ironman can use both electricity, and heat, to power up his suit, but with both heat and electricity, they can overload and/or destroy the suit.

Well he was sitting in the forge for a long time... What he could do to survive for a REALLY long time is put his shields up and then simultaneously absorb some of the surrounding heat in order to constantly keep his shields power levels at a steady and immovable rate. He actually did this before to survive a multi-state busting explosion.

Also, even his classic armor was able to withstand the heat from a dragon that the narrator claimed was as hot as a "nuclear furnace". Nuclear heat ranges in the 50-150 million degrees Fahrenheit ranges. The center of the sun's temperature is only 27 million degrees Fahrenheit. Unless you can prove that a hell dimension is hotter than nuclear heat, it's not doing anything to Iron Man. But that also varies depending on the suit. Some of his armors (like the Bleeding-Edge) have much better heat resistance feats than that.

The reason electricity is considered a weakness of the suit is because high amounts of electricity can overload the suit, immobilizing it. It's different than him being hit by brute force or slashed with blades; which is why it's a weakness.

His thermocouples will only get overloaded if they are hit with a power source that's too overwhelming. So that's really not a weakness if you have to hit him with power stronger than Thor's lightning in order to overload him. That's like saying Thor's weakness is energy attacks from Odin just because they'd knock him out.

Also, in response to the OP, some functions of the Endo sym armor suit stop functioning with a lack of oxygen. So the weaknesses can vary depending on the suits. Magnets, electricity, and lack of oxygen are some of the weaknesses his suits have had over the years. If the suits have metal in them then they are obviously vulnerable to metal manipulators as well.

I agree that the weaknesses definitely do vary based on the suits. For example, his older suits from the 60s were not protected from EMP's, but his later ones obviously were. Also, two things about the Endo-sym thing. First of all, the endo-sym DOES work in space with oxygen, according to the story, the jet boots were the only things that didn't work, so it was just floating around aimlessly. Second of all, that was clearly bad writing because he fixed that problem on even his earliest suits.

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He claimed that the endo-sym was his most advanced armor up until that point, so why wouldn't he have fixed such an easy and obvious problem? Especially one that he's administered into most of his other suits. Again, that oxygen thing was just PIS. The writer needed Tony Stark to be captured by his A.I. for plot purposes.

Lastly the suit needing a power source has proven to be a weakness sometimes as well, but that could be considered more of a limit than a weakness depending on how you look at it.

Yeah I wouldn't count that as a weakness. Definitely a limit, but like you said before, that also varies based on the armor. His Bleeding-Edge armor was powered by his strongest arc reactor. Tony claimed that he had a man-made star in his chest, so that one would take A LOT to run out of power, but then his earlier suits obviously don't have that luxury.

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#127 Posted by deactivated-5988def3424a7 (5386 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Iron Man's weakness is when he's not wearing the armor.

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#128 Posted by Ganstaz003 (1217 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man's weakness is against a character like Ultron and Magneto. Both whom can control the very source of which provides Tony Stark his powers. Technology and electromagnetism. Ultron practically has full control over technology whilst Magneto practically has full control over electromagnetism. Tony Stark's over reliance on technology means that someone who has innate and inherent control over technology like Ultron would screw him over 10/10 without Tony Stark standing a chance.

Tony Stark is a man who uses technology to enhance his attributes. Someone like Ultron or Brainiac are entities who not only use technology, but are technology themselves. Meaning, technology is an inherent part of them. Meaning, they'll have more control over technology than someone who only uses technology like Tony Stark. Man inside machine <<< sentient machine without any humans inside or having human limitations.

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#129 Posted by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man has shown the capability to counter Magneto's powers on a consistent basis. Just because it doesn't make sense to people or they don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

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#131 Posted by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man has shown the capability to counter Magneto's powers on a consistent basis. Just because it doesn't make sense to people or they don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

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#132 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone1996 said:

Iron Man has shown the capability to counter Magneto's powers on a consistent basis. Just because it doesn't make sense to people or they don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

Did you just quote your own quote?

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#133 Posted by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

Did you just quote your own quote?

Yes. Yes I did.

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#135 Posted by Thekillerklok (10199 posts) - - Show Bio

True Name manipulation sounds like it would be pretty effective...

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#136 Posted by Ganstaz003 (1217 posts) - - Show Bio

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@ganstaz003 said:

Iron Man's weakness is against a character like Ultron and Magneto. Both whom can control the very source of which provides Tony Stark his powers. Technology and electromagnetism. Ultron practically has full control over technology whilst Magneto practically has full control over electromagnetism. Tony Stark's over reliance on technology means that someone who has innate and inherent control over technology like Ultron would screw him over 10/10 without Tony Stark standing a chance.

Tony Stark is a man who uses technology to enhance his attributes. Someone like Ultron or Brainiac are entities who not only use technology, but are technology themselves. Meaning, technology is an inherent part of them. Meaning, they'll have more control over technology than someone who only uses technology like Tony Stark. Man inside machine <<< sentient machine without any humans inside or having human limitations.

Excellent post mate. 100%. In addition to being very weak to ultron/magneto type characters, he is also weak to characters with vibranium weaponry like black panther for example. Black panthers anti metal claws can melt stark's armor on contact (again another weakness due to having metal armor which magneto can manipulate and black panther can melt down like eggs). Electrical manipulators like electro can actually manipulate/absorb the electricity out of stark's suit- rendering it powerless. High power EMP's, and hacking are a couple other weaknesses I can think of off the top of my head. Nonetheless, what Iron man has created using his resources and intelligence is at a super genius level, whilst still being possible to create in real life if someone smart and rich enough comes along.

Thanks! I forgot to add about Black Panther's tech. He was another that came to mind. Totally agreed about Electro as well.

There are advantages and disadvantages to pretty much any tactic, system or style. This applies in real life too. In fields like boxing, martial arts, weapons, war tactics and etc. Everything has advantages and disadvantages. There isn't any 'ULTIMATE SOLUTION'. One boxer will be a kryptonite to another boxer's style. One weapon will be a kryptonite to another weapon. One tactic will be a kryptonite to another's and etc. I hope you get the drift here!

As advantageous as Iron Man's armors are, they are by no means immune to everything. They do possess disadvantages and weaknesses too, along with their advantages.

For starters, having a human inside the armor is one of the biggest limitation I can think of. The human can always be affected in some form even if the armor still remains unharmed. Something like Ultron doesn't have that limitation as Ultron is merely a computer program / software and doesn't possess any human limitation when controlling any armor / cybernetic body.

Another weakness is the tech being prone to damage. No matter how advanced a piece of tech is, it'd still require some form of maintenance. Such is the case with Iron Man's tech. They require maintenance like how car's also require maintenance.

Probably the biggest weakness to Iron Man's armor, are the things in his armor / tech that can be controlled / manipulated by someone, better than he can control / manipulate those things. Due to Iron Man using functional powered tech, there are a few things he would inevitably require for his tech to function. Such as electricity, computers, power source, heat and etc. These are things that he can never do without if he is to utilize his tech functionally. This is why, if there's someone who can control / manipulate those things better than Tony Stark himself, Tony Stark is pretty much hell bound. Those are his biggest Kryptonites. For example, Ultron could control all of Iron Man's computers with ease along with other electronic devices. Magneto can control the electromagnetic spectrum of Iron man's tech. Electro, like Magneto, can also manipulate the electrical circuits of Iron man's tech and etc. You could add characters who could control heat like Human Torch, who could manipulate the heat in Iron Man's tech to fry them as well.

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#138 Posted by Ganstaz003 (1217 posts) - - Show Bio

@ganstaz003 said:
@whoisthebest said:
@whoisthebest said:
@ganstaz003 said:

Iron Man's weakness is against a character like Ultron and Magneto. Both whom can control the very source of which provides Tony Stark his powers. Technology and electromagnetism. Ultron practically has full control over technology whilst Magneto practically has full control over electromagnetism. Tony Stark's over reliance on technology means that someone who has innate and inherent control over technology like Ultron would screw him over 10/10 without Tony Stark standing a chance.

Tony Stark is a man who uses technology to enhance his attributes. Someone like Ultron or Brainiac are entities who not only use technology, but are technology themselves. Meaning, technology is an inherent part of them. Meaning, they'll have more control over technology than someone who only uses technology like Tony Stark. Man inside machine <<< sentient machine without any humans inside or having human limitations.

Excellent post mate. 100%. In addition to being very weak to ultron/magneto type characters, he is also weak to characters with vibranium weaponry like black panther for example. Black panthers anti metal claws can melt stark's armor on contact (again another weakness due to having metal armor which magneto can manipulate and black panther can melt down like eggs). Electrical manipulators like electro can actually manipulate/absorb the electricity out of stark's suit- rendering it powerless. High power EMP's, and hacking are a couple other weaknesses I can think of off the top of my head. Nonetheless, what Iron man has created using his resources and intelligence is at a super genius level, whilst still being possible to create in real life if someone smart and rich enough comes along.

Thanks! I forgot to add about Black Panther's tech. He was another that came to mind. Totally agreed about Electro as well.

There are advantages and disadvantages to pretty much any tactic, system or style. This applies in real life too. In fields like boxing, martial arts, weapons, war tactics and etc. Everything has advantages and disadvantages. There isn't any 'ULTIMATE SOLUTION'. One boxer will be a kryptonite to another boxer's style. One weapon will be a kryptonite to another weapon. One tactic will be a kryptonite to another's and etc. I hope you get the drift here!

As advantageous as Iron Man's armors are, they are by no means immune to everything. They do possess disadvantages and weaknesses too, along with their advantages.

For starters, having a human inside the armor is one of the biggest limitation I can think of. The human can always be affected in some form even if the armor still remains unharmed. Something like Ultron doesn't have that limitation as Ultron is merely a computer program / software and doesn't possess any human limitation when controlling any armor / cybernetic body.

Another weakness is the tech being prone to damage. No matter how advanced a piece of tech is, it'd still require some form of maintenance. Such is the case with Iron Man's tech. They require maintenance like how car's also require maintenance.

Probably the biggest weakness to Iron Man's armor, are the things in his armor / tech that can be controlled / manipulated by someone, better than he can control / manipulate those things. Due to Iron Man using functional powered tech, there are a few things he would inevitably require for his tech to function. Such as electricity, computers, power source, heat and etc. These are things that he can never do without if he is to utilize his tech functionally. This is why, if there's someone who can control / manipulate those things better than Tony Stark himself, Tony Stark is pretty much hell bound. Those are his biggest Kryptonites. For example, Ultron could control all of Iron Man's computers with ease along with other electronic devices. Magneto can control the electromagnetic spectrum of Iron man's tech. Electro, like Magneto, can also manipulate the electrical circuits of Iron man's tech and etc. You could add characters who could control heat like Human Torch, who could manipulate the heat in Iron Man's tech to fry them as well.

Ahh, excellent points. Yes, human torchs nova blast was even able to fry ultrons internal circuits, bypassing his internal shielding. Imagine how powerful and damaging they would be on starks armor. You brought up another good point there- heat/energy manipulation in general is starks kryptonite as well essentially.

Absolutely! Iron Man has far too many weaknesses and has far too many Kryptonites. So the idea that Iron Man has no weakness is a total myth.

Problem with Iron Man is that he is pretty much 1 dimensional. When he does have a weakness, there's not much he'd do to counter it. The cause of this is his over reliance on tech. For practically every problem Tony Stark encounters, all of his solutions seem to be based on using tech. However, what happens when the tech is nullified / negated? If one can take away and nullify Tony Stark's tech, then Tony Stark doesn't usually have much answers in response. He almost becomes clueless. Sort of like how, if you remove a gun from a person who's only good at shooting guns and doesn't have any other combat abilities, then they are similarly rendered ineffective and useless.

This is contrary to characters like Black Panther and Batman. They are far more versatile and multi-dimensional than Tony Stark. They use various different tactics / strategies in various different situations. Neither exclusively rely on tech for all their problems. When tech is going to be ineffective, both have other things up their sleeves, unlike Iron man.

That's why the likes of Black Panther and Batman don't have any easy, exploitable weakness. They are far too unpredictable and versatile whilst Tony Stark is far too predictable and restrictive in his approach.

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@ganstaz003 said:
@whoisthebest said:
@ganstaz003 said:
@whoisthebest said:
@whoisthebest said:
@ganstaz003 said:

Iron Man's weakness is against a character like Ultron and Magneto. Both whom can control the very source of which provides Tony Stark his powers. Technology and electromagnetism. Ultron practically has full control over technology whilst Magneto practically has full control over electromagnetism. Tony Stark's over reliance on technology means that someone who has innate and inherent control over technology like Ultron would screw him over 10/10 without Tony Stark standing a chance.

Tony Stark is a man who uses technology to enhance his attributes. Someone like Ultron or Brainiac are entities who not only use technology, but are technology themselves. Meaning, technology is an inherent part of them. Meaning, they'll have more control over technology than someone who only uses technology like Tony Stark. Man inside machine <<< sentient machine without any humans inside or having human limitations.

Excellent post mate. 100%. In addition to being very weak to ultron/magneto type characters, he is also weak to characters with vibranium weaponry like black panther for example. Black panthers anti metal claws can melt stark's armor on contact (again another weakness due to having metal armor which magneto can manipulate and black panther can melt down like eggs). Electrical manipulators like electro can actually manipulate/absorb the electricity out of stark's suit- rendering it powerless. High power EMP's, and hacking are a couple other weaknesses I can think of off the top of my head. Nonetheless, what Iron man has created using his resources and intelligence is at a super genius level, whilst still being possible to create in real life if someone smart and rich enough comes along.

Thanks! I forgot to add about Black Panther's tech. He was another that came to mind. Totally agreed about Electro as well.

There are advantages and disadvantages to pretty much any tactic, system or style. This applies in real life too. In fields like boxing, martial arts, weapons, war tactics and etc. Everything has advantages and disadvantages. There isn't any 'ULTIMATE SOLUTION'. One boxer will be a kryptonite to another boxer's style. One weapon will be a kryptonite to another weapon. One tactic will be a kryptonite to another's and etc. I hope you get the drift here!

As advantageous as Iron Man's armors are, they are by no means immune to everything. They do possess disadvantages and weaknesses too, along with their advantages.

For starters, having a human inside the armor is one of the biggest limitation I can think of. The human can always be affected in some form even if the armor still remains unharmed. Something like Ultron doesn't have that limitation as Ultron is merely a computer program / software and doesn't possess any human limitation when controlling any armor / cybernetic body.

Another weakness is the tech being prone to damage. No matter how advanced a piece of tech is, it'd still require some form of maintenance. Such is the case with Iron Man's tech. They require maintenance like how car's also require maintenance.

Probably the biggest weakness to Iron Man's armor, are the things in his armor / tech that can be controlled / manipulated by someone, better than he can control / manipulate those things. Due to Iron Man using functional powered tech, there are a few things he would inevitably require for his tech to function. Such as electricity, computers, power source, heat and etc. These are things that he can never do without if he is to utilize his tech functionally. This is why, if there's someone who can control / manipulate those things better than Tony Stark himself, Tony Stark is pretty much hell bound. Those are his biggest Kryptonites. For example, Ultron could control all of Iron Man's computers with ease along with other electronic devices. Magneto can control the electromagnetic spectrum of Iron man's tech. Electro, like Magneto, can also manipulate the electrical circuits of Iron man's tech and etc. You could add characters who could control heat like Human Torch, who could manipulate the heat in Iron Man's tech to fry them as well.

Ahh, excellent points. Yes, human torchs nova blast was even able to fry ultrons internal circuits, bypassing his internal shielding. Imagine how powerful and damaging they would be on starks armor. You brought up another good point there- heat/energy manipulation in general is starks kryptonite as well essentially.

Absolutely! Iron Man has far too many weaknesses and has far too many Kryptonites. So the idea that Iron Man has no weakness is a total myth.

Problem with Iron Man is that he is pretty much 1 dimensional. When he does have a weakness, there's not much he'd do to counter it. The cause of this is his over reliance on tech. For practically every problem Tony Stark encounters, all of his solutions seem to be based on using tech. However, what happens when the tech is nullified / negated? If one can take away and nullify Tony Stark's tech, then Tony Stark doesn't usually have much answers in response. He almost becomes clueless. Sort of like how, if you remove a gun from a person who's only good at shooting guns and doesn't have any other combat abilities, then they are similarly rendered ineffective and useless.

This is contrary to characters like Black Panther and Batman. They are far more versatile and multi-dimensional than Tony Stark. They use various different tactics / strategies in various different situations. Neither exclusively rely on tech for all their problems. When tech is going to be ineffective, both have other things up their sleeves, unlike Iron man.

That's why the likes of Black Panther and Batman don't have any easy, exploitable weakness. They are far too unpredictable and versatile whilst Tony Stark is far too predictable and restrictive in his approach.

Exactly mate. This was one of the things that bothered me about starks character. If the suit malfunctions or is deactivated- he's pretty much helpless. He has minimal martial arts/raw combat experience, instead spending all of his time on tech only with little, if any hand to hand training. He is overly reliant and as you mention, solely dependent on his suit alone which I think is not the best strategy. He could, for example, keep some sort of non tech blades and a shield, for example, so that if the suit were to malfunction or overload, he could still fall back on some claws or a shield of some sort. And as you mention this is why it is so easy for magneto and ultron to stomp tony- he simply can't counter them because he always uses tech and always uses metal as well as magnetism in his suits and tech.

Exactly my thoughts on this. It's like a boxer knowing only one way to fight, using only one style. If that style is nullified, they simply have no other solutions and therefore, lose without being able to adjust. The same is the case with Iron Man.

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#141 Posted by Noone1996 (12710 posts) - - Show Bio

The amount of misinformation in this thread... Lmfao.

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#142 Posted by deactivated-5c531df1eeb1f (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

@skit: But Tony kicked Magneto's ass.

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