Who Can Punch Harder: Hulk or Superman?

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#1  Edited By Doomnaut

Scenario 1:

-Current Hulk and Current Superman

Scenario 2:

-World Breaker Hulk and Post Crisis Superman

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#2  Edited By Fallschirmjager

If you're looking for (somewhat) objective answers you should have posted this in General Discussion.

Posting it in either characters forum is just asking for bias.

also @wolverine08 video please...

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I am pretty sure Superman is best at everything, even a competition of who can make the best omelet in the universe would go to him.

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#4 kgb725  Online

In B4 the fanyboys

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#6  Edited By green_skaar

Current Hulk has shattered the time barrier by getting angry and punching, I don't know if n52 had done anything more impressive.

World Breaker Hulk just clashed with Red She Hulk in the air and incinerated a planet.

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Yes. Because putting this in the hulk thread is bound to yield objective responses

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Hmm, so far one only person has given actual feats (myself) while the rest making assumptions on other's bias which only demonstrates their own bias towards Hulk fans. Nice...

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Fictional characters, there is no one single answer. One context depends what the writers would want, in another context, no matter what the characters end up doing, not only can the other fictional character punch harder than that, the same fictional character that punched hard can also punch harder than that to the imagination of those thinking about the actual act and well not just them but anyone else with an imagination and knowledge of fiction and the characters.

Alternatively if the characters are being written to attempt to invoke reality or a sense of reality then no matter how hard both hit something, chances are they could always hit it harder and this is even true of regular real life humans to an extent. When real life people hit equipment designed to measure our strikes, its almost never one static number (unless the equipment has a low max and the person hist that max each time) but yeah. So even humans whose physical qualities and limits that have hundreds of years of testing, defining, observation, analysis, study when doing very simple and basic mechanical actions will have a wide range of minute inconsistent results even to the individual let alone species, contrast it to beings whose physical abilities are made up, fluctuate and don't have the heavy repetitive objective data humans have?

Incidentally this can also mean you get to choose the answer you want or think, there could even be some vaguely reasonable sounding reason as to why as well, like even if Superman and Hulk's strength is around the same, Superman's ability for self propelled flight and speed should give him more momentum potentially behind any strike. Still, fictional character so this won't be the only mutually exclusive accurate answer. The type of punch will matter too, since both characters should have dozens of different strike effects, and things such as body size, distribution of strength and agility will all lead to different strike forces. Things like stance, skill, balance likewise. Same with resistance, like if Superman and Hulk are holding whatever they are punching, of if whatever they are punching is held in place by something else or not. Are the characters standing or running? What is the item or equipment they are striking? Whats the method of measurement? Hulk is heavier, so his downward strikes after a jump will be aided by that, but Superman's fist being smaller may alternatively assist him in ways as well. Lots of other potential factors and variables as well that ultimately don't matter too much because of whole fictional abilities bit.

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#10  Edited By Extremis

@raynorj said:

I am pretty sure Superman is best at everything, even a competition of who can make the best omelet in the universe would go to him.

Yes, is even best at having smallest weiner.

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Realistically Superman. His speed, coupled with his strength should out trump Hulk's striking prowess.

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All-Star World Breaker Bruxae.

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Scenario 1, Superman, Scenario 2, Hulk.

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@thitiki: That's not what I said, I'm claimed his punching feats are not as impressive.

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If you're looking for (somewhat) objective answers you should have posted this in General Discussion.

Posting it in either characters forum is just asking for bias.

Agreed! But the correct answer is Hulk in both cases in case you were still wondering....

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I don't think the current Hulk (i.e indescructible Hulk) out punches New 52 Superman...New 52 Superman has some pretty impressive feats under his belt. WB Hulk definitely is harder hitter in my book...

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#20  Edited By UberHulk

@bezza: I've read all of new 52 Superman apart from Batman/Superman and I don't remember any impress punching feats.

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I feel like the right answer is Batman.

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#23  Edited By ColaNicole

Superman. Easily. All day long. Hulks not impressive and will probz get cancelled now anyway.

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@colanicole: Hulk's punching power is way above Supermans. This thread was an opportunity to show otherwise. No one has taken up the challenge. One of Superman's best punching feats is destroying a SMALL DEAD MOON. The moon is 1/4 the size of the Earth and this is a small moon. Hulk has smashed an asteroid twice the size of Earth and didn't need FTL speed to do it. Superman has also destroyed a shadow moon but with the help a GL construct AND the impact knocked him out.

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I hate the Hulk and think he's ridiculosly stupid but he punches harder than current or post crisis Superman. He can punch out the time stream his strength is literally just a plot device at this point.

The Hulk is a s strong as wally is fast. (and yes that's really stupid) but wally is much faster than Superman.

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#27  Edited By youmessinwithme

@uberhulk said:

@colanicole: Hulk's punching power is way above Supermans. This thread was an opportunity to show otherwise. No one has taken up the challenge. One of Superman's best punching feats is destroying a SMALL DEAD MOON. The moon is 1/4 the size of the Earth and this is a small moon. Hulk has smashed an asteroid twice the size of Earth and didn't need FTL speed to do it. Superman has also destroyed a shadow moon but with the help a GL construct AND the impact knocked him out.

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the moon is not 1/4 the size of earth (ours isn't it's about 1/6th) and that one is never stated to have a size. the shadow moon mimics ous and is the smae weight and therefore same density. and in the above scan we don't really know how superman split that moon in half. maybe he used his lazer eyes, maybe he's been out there for 3 minutes and 59 seconds pounding on that moon till it finally split, maybe it took him 4 minutes to fly out there and he flew straight through it and split it in half without slowing down. The point is that feat could range from hugely impressive to no where near.

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#28  Edited By dum529001

@uberhulk:

Hulk doesn't just have great Force, he has also great Speed and Power.

"Power" is the rate at which you do "work". Force/Energy flow per unit of time. Power is about the rate at which a force is transferred/travels. P= w/t.

"Work"is force moving over a certain amount of distance. W= F x d. # of Newtons X 1 meter= # of Joules

"Force" is mass multipled by an objects rate of motion. F= m x a. Measured in "Newtons".

The Difference Between Force and Power is: Power is about the amount of energy you produce and the transfer of that energy in a short amount of time. If a planet is moving 100 times the speed of sound and a car moves so fast that it matches the forces of the moving planet, who has more power? They produce the same amount of force but due to the car's superior speed, it is more powerful than the planet because it generated the same amount of force but traveled over the same distance in less time. That's the difference between Force and Power.

Hulk's body is a big AND fast machine like a car because of his great level of power.

The sun produces 90 megatons in a nanosecond and about 90 billion megatons in a second. That's the kind of power Hulk and Thor have. In fact, Hulk and Thor have exceeded this kind of power.

First of all let me ask...

Which is greater?

A. the energy required to pull earth out its orbit of the sun

OR

B. the energy required to reverse the planet's orbit, therefore pushing back and overpowering the electromagnetic force the sun puts on the earth?

The answer is B.

If you would actually read it, this is exactly what the Hulk is shown doing in this comic scan:

Overpowering a field of energy endowed with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet(Tales to Astonish#89)

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Hulk has the power to move a planet at baseline.

The fact that the field strength needed to be increased is proof that Hulk was contesting that kind of power.

Even so, Hulk showed power to overcome a planet's kinetic energy, which is better than overcoming the force it has while it's just sitting there in its static state.

It takes 632 quadrillion 850 trillion megatons(6.3285*10^17) just to stop the earth's orbit. Hulk overpowered energy that could not only stop a planet's orbit but reverse it as well, which means Hulk was able to put out even more power than that.

The gravitational binding energy of earth is 224 nontillion joules(224,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). There is 4 quadrillion 184 trillion joules per megaton(1 Mt = 4,184,000,000,000,000 J). Therefore, it takes 53 quadrillion 537 trillion 285 billion megatons to smash earth to smithereens(5.3537285*10^16). That's as much energy as the sun produces in a week! According to what Hulk has shown, Hulk can also destroy a planet at his baseline power level.

Do you know how fast a 1 ton object has to move to put out energy equal to earth's orbital energy?

Since it takes 632 quadrillion 850 trillion megatons or 2 decillion 700 nontillion joules(2.7*10^33)to stop earth's orbit then we just need input 1 ton as our mass value and solve for the speed.

2.7*10^33 Joules=½(1000 kg)(X meters per second)^2

2.7*10^33 Joules/500= 5.4*10^30 = 5,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (dividing)

X^2= 5,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (find the square root of 5 nontillion 400 octillion)

X=2,323,790,000,000,000 m/s (the value of X found!!!)

That's 2 quadrillion 323 trillion 790 billion meters per second!

The speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s. So how much faster than light is a 1 ton object with earth's orbital energy?

2,323,790,000,000,000 meters per second/299,792,458 meters per second=7,751,329.08781

That's 7 million 751 thousand 329 times faster than the speed of light(with some decimal points)!! An incredible speed!

Since the arm is only 6 percent of the body's mass the real speed would be:

6% of 1000 kg= 60 kg

2.7*10^33 Joules=½(60 kg)(X meters per second)^2

2.7*10^33 Joules/30=9*10^31= 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (dividing)

X^2= 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (find the square root of 90 nontillion)

X= 9.486833*10^15= 9,486,833,000,000,000 m/s(the value of X found!!!)

That's 9 quadrillion 486 trillion 833 billion meters per second.

9,486,833,000,000,000 meters per second/299,792,458 meters pers second= 31644668.6594

That's 31 million 644 thousand 668 times the speed of light!(with decimal points) An incredible display of Hulk's superhuman speed.

"Power" is the rate at which you do "work". Force/Energy flow per unit of time. P= w/t.

"Work" is exerting force on an object and moving it over a distance. W= F x d

"Force" is mass multipled by an objects rate of motion. F= m x a

The Difference Between Force and Power is: Power is about the amount of energy you produce and the transfer of that energy in a short amount of time. If a planet is moving 100 times the speed of sound and a car moves so fast that it matches the forces of the moving planet, who has more power? They produce the same amount of force but due to the car's superior speed, it is more powerful than the planet because it generated the same amount of force but traveled over the same distance in less time. That's the difference between Force and Power.

Planetary Orbital Speeds:

  • Mercury - 47.8725 km/sec = 107,000MPH= Mach 138
  • Venus - 35.0214 km/sec =78,350 MPH= Mach 102
  • Earth - 29.7859 km/sec = 66,630 MPH= Mach 85
  • Mars - 24.1309 km/sec = 54,000 MPH= Mach 70
  • Jupiter - 13.0697 km/sec =29,240 MPH= Mach 38
  • Saturn- 9.6724 km/sec = 21,640 MPH= Mach 26
  • Uranus - 6.8352 km/sec = 15,290 MPH= Mach 17
  • Neptune - 5.4778 km/sec = 12,250 MPH= Mach 15
  • Pluto (TNO, or dwarf planet)=10,700 MPH= Mach 14

At a second meeting years later, The Stranger recognize that Hulk was even stronger than before because once again, Hulk shrugs off the energy that the Stranger uses in an attempt to render him motionless in Marvel Two-In-One annual #2:

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Here's Hulk doing a feat of great cosmic proportions once again:

Applying force to the space-time structure itself to prevent the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure (Defenders#3)(with the size of the singularity estimated in about seven feets according to the Schwarzschild radius, then it's mass/gravitational attraction, by the equivalence principle, is thus equivalent to roughly two hundreds Earths),

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Hulk matches power and withstands attacks from Galaxy Master, a foe with planet-splitting power, not once but twice! in incredible Hulk #112 and incredible Hulk #270:

One of the Hulk's sons, Hiro-Kala, has the power to throw a planet at the earth with planet-busting force with the use of two power sources known as the "old-power" and "new-power" but the Hulk resists his power in Incredible Hulks #615-16:

Hulk causes earthquakes around the world through the force of the punches he exhanges with a couple of gamma-empowered boars in Incredible vol 3. #1-3:

Hulk matches power and withstands attacks from Galaxy Master, a foe with planet-splitting power, not once but twice! in incredible Hulk #112and incredible Hulk #270:

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Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master, from Incredible Hulk #112:

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Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master rematch, from Incredible Hulk #270:

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One of the Hulk's sons, Hiro-Kala, has the power to throw a planet at the earth with planet-busting force with the use of two power sources known as the "old-power" and "new-power" but the Hulk resists his power in Incredible Hulks #615-16:

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World War Hulk vs Hiro Kala, from Incredible Hulks #615-16:

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Hulk causes earthquakes around the world through the force of the punches he exhanges with a couple of gamma-empowered boars in Incredible vol 3. #1-3:

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#29  Edited By UberHulk

@theacidskull: I read all new 52 Superman books. The writing, artwork and stories are much better than the rubbish Marvel have had Hulk involved in since WWH. Superman has powerful new enemies (Helspont, He'l, Wriath) and while Hulk has been fighting jobbers like Attuma and Baron Zemo, Superman is duking it out with Mongol and Doomsday (or will be in a month). Superman is developing new ways to use his powers Banner can only transform into Hulk for a few minutes (Hulk annual) we'll see even more Banner and less Hulk. Waid is ruining Hulk. The Superman books are great.

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#31  Edited By UberHulk

@theacidskull: I meant after all the Green Scar story had finished, when Aaron took over.

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#32  Edited By UberHulk

@dum529001 Can you explain the Hulk's black hole feat in more detail, contrasting it with the gravitational pull of the Earth. Everyone has seen the scans of Superman, Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter pulling Earth out of orbit, how does this feat compare?

@youmessinwithme: I accept your points.

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Saying Waid is ruining the Hulk is probably exaggerating things, i think i also said it before but more out of frustration. What Waid is doing with the Hulk is status quo. He isn't really doing much of anything for Hulks character, he isn't focusing on any of his personas and the villains are unworthy and lackluster and overall we just don't get any awe-inspiring moments. I still think the run should not be named Indestructible Hulk, but Incredible Banner because the title is very misleading. If you are expecting Hulk to just be a badass that tears sh!t up and faces powerful opponents you are sorely mistaken. Waid runs is while overall good...ish...and definitely not as bad as Aarons is gonna end up being just as forgettable in a few years.

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@theacidskull: Waid is not interested in Hulk, he's interested in turning Banner into Hank Pym. Yes we see new feats but Hulk is an after thought. Hulk has gone from ruling a planet to being the muscle for SHEILD. Waid has crapped all over the Green scar era, the era that put Hulk back on the map.

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#37  Edited By termiteone4ever

SUPERMAN . All these back in the days post of hulk doing something doesnt even cut it . Lets post some silver age stuff see how that works out for you all .

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@termiteone4ever: So having failed to show Superman's combat speed in another thread you've failed to show his punching power in this. You claimed Hulk was NOW being written to show high end feats and when I showed that wasn't the case now you're crying over 40 year old feats. At least you're consistent with the DC vomit. Silver Age Superman is retconned. You can't move the goalposts to suit your arguments. The OP says current and post crisis Superman. You've got nothing to add here just as you don't in the battle forums. Now stop trolling.

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This is on the Hulk board...so why should I even bother?

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@uberhulk said:

@theacidskull: Waid is not interested in Hulk, he's interested in turning Banner into Hank Pym. Yes we see new feats but Hulk is an after thought. Hulk has gone from ruling a planet to being the muscle for SHEILD. Waid has crapped all over the Green scar era, the era that put Hulk back on the map.

That Blame can't be put on waid, that has to go to Jason Aaron, Matt Fraction and Brian Michael Bendis for forgetting Green Scar, waid at least writes a good Banner and his stories are at least fun, tho some arcs are disappointing.

Technically it is Waid's fault... and that of the Marvel Execs/Editors. They share the blame. Waid could have done his research on the character and ignored everything that came after Pak left the series. Instead of that, however, Waid and the Marvel execs decided to take the lazy way out. Meaning that they simply decided to ignore nearly everything that writers like Pak & David set up prior to his 'Indestructible Banner' series.

Like it or not, it's the sad truth.

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@theacidskull: Aaron's run was short and it was still green scar Hulk. He was calculating, intelligent and beat the crap out of Wolverine, which we should be happy for. Bendis and Fraction haven't wrote Hulk. Hickman writes Hulk (badly) but Waid is to blame for the direction. They explain Hulk can't talk because of the problems in the time stream following AOU which is then fixed but Hulk is still dumb, Savage Hulk so that is down to Waid and no one else.

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@theacidskull: Maybe Waid shares the same idea as Bendis? That no matter what Hulk becomes he will always go back to being savage? And that's what Waid is kinda doing here.

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#47  Edited By RaynorJ

@theacidskull: Yea i know, it's been said over and over... I don't think Waid is good with any powerhouse, i think he is best at writing street level characters.

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#49  Edited By UberHulk

@theacidskull: AvX was a short series and had many different writers so in the greater scheme of things it doesn't matter. We have to accept when Hulk is part of a team he's not going to be the main focus but he is in his own book. EVERYONE writes Hulk different. Hickman writes him like Waid, pre Savage Hulk (he barely talks). In Avengers Annual not only does Hulk talk a lot, he's cracking jokes e.g. Stark asks Hulk why he isn't on vacation and he says "Hulk broke. Funding fell through". In X-Men annual he's spooked when Kid Gladiator is looking at him and says "Stop staring at Hulk". In some books he's wearing his stupid suit and in others he isn't. So there is no real direction. I don't think anyone has been given a brief on how to write him. My main problem is we don't see his kids anymore and for me that was the most interesting thing that happened to the Hulk in years, which other major Marvel character has three (technically four if you count Carmilla Black) adult children? I want to see Hulk deal with his kids, I want to see Hulk open the door when Lyra comes home with a date. That's the development I want to see, not Banner's attempts to win the Noble prize.

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