what's the heaviest thing hulk has lifted?

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@pyrogram: Proving me right, but by all means "humor" me some more :)

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#104  Edited By Pyrogram

@raynorj: Are you that desperate for my attention?

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@pyrogram: Are you that desperate to provide it to me?

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Stupid question of the day: Someone on here said that Hulk lifting a star is more impressive than anything Hercules has lifted. According to Greek Mythology, and mentioned before in comics, Hercules held up the heavens for Atlas. Wouldn't that mean everything in the sky, including the sun?

I know technically the sun isn't in the sky, but according to the those stories, it was. So, wouldn't that mean Hercules has lifted more?

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@mikex20: If you can prove of those actual feats existing in Marvel 616, than sure. But as far as i know Hercules held up Earth for Atlas not the "heavens" and i am not sure if even that was what actually happened.

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@raynorj said:

@mikex20: If you can prove of those actual feats existing in Marvel 616, than sure. But as far as i know Hercules held up Earth for Atlas not the "heavens" and i am not sure if even that was what actually happened.

Here are the two scans I see the most for Hercules, one holding up Earth, the other "the heavens". I have no idea which comics they are from and if they cannon.

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#109  Edited By RazzaTazz

@theacidskull: Where does that sun scan come from? I might read the whole issue to better understand the context.

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You know, I had a feeling when I read Infinity #6 that Hulk resisting the weight of a star was going to become a hot topic. I can't wait until it takes up 9 pages of a Hulk battle :D

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You know, I had a feeling when I read Infinity #6 that Hulk resisting the weight of a star was going to become a hot topic. I can't wait until it takes up 9 pages of a Hulk battle :D

Anything Hulk does seems to be a hot topic among some...

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#112  Edited By UberHulk

@deaditegonzo: If he's holding or if you prefer supporting the weight of a star at base level, and bear in mind he did not drop to his knees until his throat was cut, he can clearly tank it once he gets madder.

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@uberhulk said:

@deaditegonzo: If he's holding or if you prefer supporting the weight of a star at base level, and bear in mind he did not drop to his knees until his throat was cut, he can clearly tank it once he gets madder.

The bold is debatable, imo.

But as far as the rest of what you said, if someone put a 350lbs barbell on me, and it didnt totally squish me but did prevent me from moving, does that mean "I can lift 350lbs"? I dont think so, but I dont make the rules either.

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#118  Edited By Pyrogram

@citizenbane: Kinda....eighteen hours after the event, but okay.

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I can give you something to be upset about.

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#120  Edited By Pyrogram

@_megatron_: Stop messing with your own peeps and come get beat down at the MFL :P

.....I'm that eager for another broken nose.

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#122  Edited By MakkyD

God help us if Lobdell reads Infinity #6, the next superman issue will have him lifting twenty stars.

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#123  Edited By UberHulk

@deaditegonzo Why do people continually make the same mistakes over and over again? You are not looking at this in context of the Hulk's powers. Someone puts a 350lb barbell on you, it doesn't crush you but you can't lift it. You workout for 2 years, take steroids and then you can lift it. The Hulk doesn't need steroids to get stronger, he just needs anger and that's why it was an impressive feat, it's Hulk at base level. Uberhulk is twice as powerful as regular Hulk, Worldbreaker is considerably more powerful than that. Hulk can go many levels above simply supporting or holding the weight of a star.

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#125  Edited By TDK_1997

People should just understand that Thor and Hulk's strenght,lifting abbilities and powers on this forum are incalculable and nobody can do better than them.They are just a GOD and the jade GIANT!

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@raynorj said:

@mikex20: If you can prove of those actual feats existing in Marvel 616, than sure. But as far as i know Hercules held up Earth for Atlas not the "heavens" and i am not sure if even that was what actually happened.

Here are the two scans I see the most for Hercules, one holding up Earth, the other "the heavens". I have no idea which comics they are from and if they cannon.

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1st scan is from The Mighty Thor #356

2nd scan is from Incredible Hercules #121

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Didn't Hulk once hold up a black hole in space back in those days of the old comics? I know I read that some where. If that's the case then Hulk could lift up almost anything.

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@uberhulk: Even assuming all that, we dont know if Worldbreaker or any version could lift a star, because we dont know how far from being able to he is in this scan.

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1st scan is from The Mighty Thor #356

2nd scan is from Incredible Hercules #121

Thanks man.

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#130  Edited By Fifthchild

Nobody wants to post the next scan which shows that he had managed to at least lift himself upright and was arguably even half standing/squatting (the art is too vague to tell) before Proxima ripped the spear out?

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@sc said:

@pyrogram said:

I just find it funny. Hulk, lifting a star, supporting the weight of what, (let's say the star was the same as our sun) like over 95% or something of our solar system's mass....And a hammer blow from Thor hurts him.

Things like that make me lose faith in what writers are allowed to write. Feats can be so... Strange.

Well thats the thing about fiction. Maybe Hulk wasn't actually literally lifting the weight of a star..... So depends on what the writer intends, depends on how ambiguous or specific a writer is, depends how readers interpret things.

I think its pretty clearly intended to be the weight of a star. Personally I dont see any benefit in trying to explain it away as something else.

A hammer blow from Thor could also hurt him. Aside from being fiction and characters serving the story (and the story serving the characters) considering Thor has similar outrageous feats of both a strength, speed and striking nature. A hammer blow from Thor has hurt Galactus. Both Hulk and Thor can be hurt by bullets and snakes one story, and then fight near abstract entities the next. Its why Thor can walk in the sun unharmed but also hurt by Hulk's fists too. Its why Hulk can hurt Hyperion who survives two universes ending beside him.

We know a hammer blow from Mjolnir would hurt him because it has pretty much every time.

If it makes you lose faith, sure, I can see that, your preferences and I definitely agree feats can be strange heh heh. Personally I just shrug. I can like stories of both silly and realistic tone. Different strokes for different folks. To me things get strangest when fans start insisting their interpretation of a fake event is the right one, or their beliefs about a fake character are the right one.

Its just comic books. Why didnt the ground collapse? Because that would make for a really stupid story. "Oh no - the Hulk is being rocketed to the center of the Earth and now theres this massive geological event to deal with and uh..." is so much more awkward and awful than "OMG - Hulks being pinned down by the weight of a star!!!".

Why doesnt Superman Prime go straight through a planet when he tries to move it with something as ridiculously small as a pair of hands? Because that would be downright goofy.

I think people here have to get used to the idea that they are reading comic books sometimes. Its like watching a porno movie and thinking - "Hmmm - I really think they should get to know each other a little more first". Or watching an action movie and thinking "Gosh someone really ought to just call the police and let them sort it out - someone could get hurt!".

Not meaning to pick on you here SC - just sometimes that/this kind of thing gets a bit old.

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#132  Edited By SC  Moderator

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I think its pretty clearly intended to be the weight of a star. Personally I dont see any benefit in trying to explain it away as something else.

I think is obviously clearly intended to not be. I find every possible benefit available to all people and animals ever to see it this way and only this way. Alternative paths are gateway drugs to situations where golden warlocks prowl the streets trying to get their claws on the goody goody tasties and chewy nices. (is a joke)

Heh heh but yeah sure, your welcome to your interpretation, I tend to think such moments are intended to a bit ambiguous but at the same time err closer to Hulk being weighed down by a literal star as far as my own personal interpretation. I think there is also always benefit in the acknowledgment that an interpretation and assumption is an interpretation and assumption until its a fact, in which case its a fact and that there are differences between offering alternatives and trying to explain away other alternatives.

We can have reasonable assumptions and beliefs, I don't think we can know about fiction. That would suggest some sort of knowledge that would be impossible to have. One day our sun will no longer exist, even though every day I have been alive, and all the people I have ever known days they have been alive, it has existed and been around. Except I don't 'know' it will always be there, I can reasonably assume it will for a long time, but yeah see, I can say something that technically doesn't disagree with what you said but is just added on for some reason 0_0.

Wasn't a "stupid" story when it happened in X-Men (character found themselves with extra weight so punctured through the earth), arguably it was really "stupid" moment/story in Infinity regardless of it not happening anyway. At least to some people. Thats the problem with your phrasing, what do you mean by stupid? Your subjective preference? Your objective assessment based on multiple examples some that support your assessment and some that don't?

Why doesnt Superman Prime go straight through a planet when he tries to move it with something as ridiculously small as a pair of hands? Because that would be downright goofy.

Or there could be in story reasons he doesn't. Like that aura they say normal Superman has. You know, like the in story reasons I suggested as to why Hulk didn't cause collateral damage if it really was a star. Oh and I have read a few comics where a character with super strength attempted to catch something heavy and large and because of physics they ended up having a "goofy" incident and it was awesome. So personally I am okay either way and I can understand creative reasons for multiple scenarios.

I think people here have to get used to the idea that they are reading comic books sometimes. Its like watching a porno movie and thinking - "Hmmm - I really think they should get to know each other a little more first". Or watching an action movie and thinking "Gosh someone really ought to just call the police and let them sort it out - someone could get hurt!". Not meaning to pick on you here SC - just sometimes that/this kind of thing gets a bit old.

No problems man ^_^, though given I was one of the people explaining that because this is comic books, fantastical things can happen, and why its okay or even good, but just because it does happen doesn't mean there aren't stories out there where it doesn't happen, and also that one person sense of the fantastical isn't necessarily the same as another's I am not sure why its my points you wished to address. Instead of say the ones that seem contrarian to your own? Even though also its good to hear from you. Oh and also to use your analogy, well some adult films do cater to those who want establishment of interpersonal connections and people will watch either variety and some will insist about various shapes and sizes and colors and the authenticity of such things, and other people will acknowledge that cameras will add 10 pounds or that they just can't know things for facts. Maybe for some the true is of comic panels adding an extra 10 tons to every feat. 0_0.

The most tiring thing for me will always just be when posters insist their interpretation is exclusively right. I think comics are so expensive these days people should just think whatever they want about the story, whatever gives them gross happiness and hey, maybe sometimes that be being too critical or skeptical or maybe even complaining if their suspension of disbelief is stretched too far. I mean, I also think its a reasonable person who will modify their views say if a writer clarified a moment or scene they wrote but even then too many people prefer/enjoy being unreasonable and right too much to potentially even do that. Ha.

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#133  Edited By UberHulk

@deaditegonzo: As anyone who has worked out will tell you once you can support a weight an overhead press would not require a great deal more strength. As he was supporting the weight, and not crushed by it, he wasn't more than seconds away from lifting it. This sort of thing happens to Hulk all the time, he gets madder, he overcomes.

@nerd_of_a_hero Hulk's black hole feat. Defenders #3 (1972). The physicists should be able to tell us just how impressive this feat is. The opening to the black hole is around 8ft wide.

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@fifthchild Thanks for the Infinity scan. Forget he managed to get back to his feet.

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this is not a good feat. it's now like he was actually lifting a star. does that mean the guy holding the stick was lifting the weight of a star, too? also, the hulk didn't lift it. that actually seemed to immobilize the hulk. i have heard so much about the hulk lifting the weight of a star on this site. however, that scan doesn't show that at all. it shows the hulk being immobilized and having to be saved.

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@christianrapper: God, how are people still debating that feat?

I mean, have you even read the issue? Do you have a clue what's going on? Where was it stated that her spear weighed the same as a star? That black energy is what's holding hulk down and was stated to be the weight of a star. Furthermore, he did lift it. He starts on his feat, holds it (which is a feat in its self), gets cut by Corvus glaive, drops to all fours, corvus gets knocked off, hulk raises to his knees, hence lifting the Weight of a star.

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#138  Edited By themadsurfer

Really impressive feat, he may not be lifting It, but holding It is also massive, perhaps currently the most impressive feat. I disagree with people saying he got back to his feet thus overpowering that weight, she took the spear out allowing him to rise.

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This is a Star. A star can weigh less than the Sun even. It is somewhat impressive that it did not outright kill him but this does not explain much. Post Crisis Superman lifted Mageddon which weight 34 times the mass of the Sun. Approximately..

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@uk2897 said:

This is a Star. A star can weigh less than the Sun even. It is somewhat impressive that it did not outright kill him but this does not explain much. Post Crisis Superman lifted Mageddon which weight 34 times the mass of the Sun. Approximately..

False, those are fan speculations based on the presumption that the Mageddon was eclipsing our own Sun with his size, which he wasn't. Instead he was next to his own anti-sun which is about as big as the Earth itself. Anyway even the smallest known star to us is still much, much heavier then a planet like Jupiter.

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#141  Edited By Uk2897

@atheistknowledgeThat Smallest star is thrice Jupiter.. But what does some common sense say.. If u see some one bench a certain weight for 5 days.. That person can obviously then easily lift several times more than that.. It didnt even take that person that much effort...

The thing is I really dislike Hulk... He himself seems like a Plot Device. Soon u will see Hulk fighting Thanos alone and winning... Hulk is getting too OP

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How is that common sense? It's just says Superman has inhuman stamina and does not tire like we do, it by no ways can be calculated that because he lifted the Earth for 5 days that he can now lift more then the weight of the star.

Well i really don't care, we are not here to discuss their popularity but their strengths. Every character is a plot device, Superman himself is probably the silliest one considering he has done everything you can imagine since his creations so much so, they had to retcon him several times. Hulk already fought Thanos alone in the Thanos vs Hulk series and he lost so you don't have to worry about that, without some power up or a plot device Hulk will not win against him, however his powerset is made to allow him to sometimes beat opponents that at first seem more powerful then him, unlike most other heroes at least he has an excuse.

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here is one of the problems with other characters other then Superman.

If you lift a mountain and hold it up the part of the mountain that your holding should simply colasp on top of you or the part you grab should break off because that part cannot hold up the mountain or the weight that your attempting to lift. Superman has been said to have the ability to lift large things because he has a field that stablelises the whole of the object and thus he can lift just about anything without it falling apart.

Does the Hulk have that as well or how many other characters can do that.

Science would have it where you cannot left something so large and not have it rip apart thus when you move something like a house or a large object. It has to be secured correctly or you just wont lift anything. So how is it he just does not sink into the ground?

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this is not a good feat. it's now like he was actually lifting a star. does that mean the guy holding the stick was lifting the weight of a star, too?

Proxima Midnight's spear can take the form of an ordinary spear, piercing energy beams and, when she used it on Hulk, a black "energy cloud" that seemed to envelop/permeate his upper torso and was apparently equivalent in weight to the star it was formed from.

Really impressive feat, he may not be lifting It, but holding It is also massive, perhaps currently the most impressive feat. I disagree with people saying he got back to his feet thus overpowering that weight, she took the spear out allowing him to rise.

When she pulls the spear out the arc of energy leads back to the same position we see Hulk in - i.e. half-squatting - which would suggest that Hulk did indeed lift himself back up from his hands and knees.

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This is a Star. A star can weigh less than the Sun even. It is somewhat impressive that it did not outright kill him but this does not explain much. Post Crisis Superman lifted Mageddon which weight 34 times the mass of the Sun. Approximately..

Its said to be a supernova star. The smallest supernova stars have masses that are at least 8 times the mass of our sun.

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@arthurkerr:

I am not sure if Superman has a field like you suggest, but certainly he has advantages when it comes to lifting because he can fly. Hulk cannot, so is somewhat more restricted in his opportunities to show off his lifting ability. He cant for example ever move a planet....this doesn't mean that Hulk is weaker than Superman.

TBH, even as a Hulk fan all this lifting planets and stuff turns me off a bit. I sometimes wish character's limits were restricted to lifting ships, planes and items which could conceivably be lifted by meta humans, I mean how the heck is someone supposed to move a planet? The inconsistencies in comics are also frustrating at times...on the one hand Superman lifted the weight of the earth in one New 52 Superman comic (c/o Scott Lobdell), yet he was seen straining to hold up an aircraft carrier with the help of Wonder Woman in a Justice League new 52 story! How does that figure?

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@uk2897 said:

This is a Star. A star can weigh less than the Sun even. It is somewhat impressive that it did not outright kill him but this does not explain much. Post Crisis Superman lifted Mageddon which weight 34 times the mass of the Sun. Approximately..

This is a star GOING NOVA, when it acquires much more mass. Thus the mass is at least above the maximum white dwarf star when it overcomes the Chandrasekhar limit, that is, about 480.000 Earths.

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@bezza said:

@arthurkerr:

I am not sure if Superman has a field like you suggest, but certainly he has advantages when it comes to lifting because he can fly. Hulk cannot, so is somewhat more restricted in his opportunities to show off his lifting ability. He cant for example ever move a planet....this doesn't mean that Hulk is weaker than Superman.

TBH, even as a Hulk fan all this lifting planets and stuff turns me off a bit. I sometimes wish character's limits were restricted to lifting ships, planes and items which could conceivably be lifted by meta humans, I mean how the heck is someone supposed to move a planet? The inconsistencies in comics are also frustrating at times...on the one hand Superman lifted the weight of the earth in one New 52 Superman comic (c/o Scott Lobdell), yet he was seen straining to hold up an aircraft carrier with the help of Wonder Woman in a Justice League new 52 story! How does that figure?

Yeah I agree to lift a planet what you going to stand on to hold up so said planet and even then it has to stop spinning and this is a whole new kind of madness and we will not get into the science crazy shizzle that would happen with that. Superman has touch telekinesis so that everything he lifts is effected on a atomic level it was said to happen long ago. I imagine that is still the case. so when he stops a plane from falling by just grabbing the one part it effects every atom the plane is made of and he does not just rip off the part in question. Also it comes in handy when tossing Alien ships back into space and or lifting a mountain.

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How is that common sense? It's just says Superman has inhuman stamina and does not tire like we do, it by no ways can be calculated that because he lifted the Earth for 5 days that he can now lift more then the weight of the star.

Well i really don't care, we are not here to discuss their popularity but their strengths. Every character is a plot device, Superman himself is probably the silliest one considering he has done everything you can imagine since his creations so much so, they had to retcon him several times. Hulk already fought Thanos alone in the Thanos vs Hulk series and he lost so you don't have to worry about that, without some power up or a plot device Hulk will not win against him, however his powerset is made to allow him to sometimes beat opponents that at first seem more powerful then him, unlike most other heroes at least he has an excuse.

Thanos outsmarted Hulk but did not beat him in a contest of power.

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