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    After being bombarded with a massive dose of gamma radiation while saving a young man's life during an experimental bomb testing, Dr. Robert Bruce Banner was transformed into the Incredible Hulk: a green behemoth who is the living personification of rage and pure physical strength.

    Planet Hulk: Empire - the original World War Hulk

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    I’ve often seen Greg Paks ‘original draft’ of World War Hulk referenced on the forums (particularly the battle forums) but not many people seem to have read it in its entirety. It’s a very good read and it’s interesting to see how Pak originally intended it to be, but was ultimately changed into an event comic and re-written because of changes taking place in Marvel comics at the time.

    Anyway, I’ve copy and pasted it below so it can be easily accessed anytime someone wants to give it a read instead of having to track it down:

    PLANET HULK: EMPIRE

    An overview of a Marvel Comics Event for Summer 2007

    Written by Greg Pak

    Third Draft - 06.23.2006

    “PLANET HULK: EMPIRE,” the tale of the Hulk’s return to Earth, will be told in two parallel storylines (for collection in two separate trades). All of these titles would carry the “PLANET HULK: EMPIRE” logo.

    The main story runs through the “Incredible Hulk” comic book series and is bookended by “PLANET HULK: EMPIRE” #1 and an “INCREDIBLE HULK” annual.

    The second storyline runs through the various annuals in which Marvel heroes and teams grapple with the Hulk’s return.

    MAIN STORYLINE

    PLANET HULK: EMPIRE ONE SHOT

    Open with a brief intro -- the Hulk’s furious eyes. The Voice of Legend captions fill us in on what’s happened -- he was exiled by his friends. Made a slave, a gladiator. Became a rebel. A leader. And then a king. Finally found his place. Found a home. But then they took it all away. Killed his love.

    And now he’s coming for them.

    Dr. Strange awakens in a cold sweat -- something’s coming. Tony gets a panicked call from his S.H.I.E.L.D. second in command. From Earth, the Marvel heroes see a plume of fire erupting from the side of the moon. The Hulk’s great stone flagship swallows up the S.H.I.E.L.D. helicarrier. The flagship descends over the American desert. The Hulk emerges holding the limp body of Black Bolt. Full of insane, controlled rage. Announces that the heroes killed millions. And they have 24 hours to evacuate Manhattan.

    Ends with the Hulk making Thor drop his hammer -- and Korg picks it up.

    Thor leaves his stronghold in the Oklahoma desert, heads towards the Hulk. Korg is the one to meet him. Old adversaries. Korg tells Thor that the Hulk is right. Thor should stand down. Thor knocks him aside. The Hulk comes out. Great clash over the desert. Epic, earth-shattering battle. Ends with the Hulk making Thor drop his hammer -- and Korg picks it up. Korg actually picks up the Hulk’s hammer -- he’s worthy. Thor’s blown away by this. He and the Hulk have a moment. Thor withdraws, says he doesn’t understand this all. But he won’t fight these heroes.

    And now Namor and his enormous sea monsters rise from the oceans around Manhattan. Namor’s helping the Hulk. He reveals the existence of the Illuminati. They sent Hulk away. Bombed his new people. Killed millions. Now they must do as the Hulk demands.

    In New York, the other heroes meet. Anger, accusations, panic. The first many learn of the Illuminati and what they’ve done. Divisions within the ranks. But they start the seemingly impossible evacuation job -- teleporters like Cloak exhaust themselves, working overtime.

    And then the Hulk balls up his great fist and smashes -- and breaks every bone in the Sentry’s body.

    Hulk descends upon the city. Sentry rises to meet him, trying to claim old friendship. The Spikes surround the Sentry. Hold him. And then the Hulk balls up his great fist and smashes -- and breaks every bone in the Sentry’s body. Heroes are shocked -- they’ve never seen the Hulk so powerful.

    Hulk drops from the sky. Tears apart the Avengers Tower as he descends. Korg tears apart the Baxter Building. Hiroim smashes Dr. Strange’s mansion. Precision strikes -- utter devastation in those specific places. And now the Hulk and his crew step forward to face the remaining bruisers -- Thing, Colossus, Hercules, She-Hulk, Doc Samson. Monumental battle. The Marvel heroes are crushed. The Hulk has never been stronger or smarter. Almost heartbreaking moment with She-Hulk -- Hulk stares at her as if he doesn’t even know her, then sets the Spikes on her. They drain away her strength and power, leave her there as Jen Walters.

    Hulk seizes the airwaves. Tells the world to give him Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Dr. Strange, and Nick Fury. And then the shocker -- he offers help to anyone whom this world has rejected. Anyone whom the “heroes” have forgotten or ignored. If they come to his fortress in the desert, he will give them a home.

    In the desert, we see the Hulk’s army building a great fortress/city. And in the middle of the fortress? A great gladiatorial arena.

    INCREDIBLE HULK #106

    Pilgrimages begin -- thousands of people begin moving across the country towards the desert -- introduce some of the characters who will be part of the “Marvel Renegades” team -- the Marvel heroes who side with the Hulk. Miek moves among the pilgrims -- and he’s moved by them. He and the Brood help them.

    Hulk negotiates directly with other nations, isolating the U.S. Hulk and his army do the huge things to help his foreign allies -- stopping hurricanes, lifting Venice, crazy, huge stuff like that. A big Hulk/Storm moment -- Hulk helps her stop a tidal wave threatening the African coast. Hiroim, tapping into the Old Power, stops an earthquake. Storm and the Panther say they won’t fight the Hulk.

    The tanks blow Iron Man out of the sky.

    Iron Man leads a battalion of U.S. army tanks and helicopters out into the desert, only to discover at the last minute that the Hulk has negotiated a deal with the U.S. government. The tanks blow Iron Man out of the sky.

    INCREDIBLE HULK #107

    Tony wakes up in the arena. Stripped of his armor. Sword and shield on the ground before him. And an obedience disk hammered into his chest. Forced to fight other captured heroes. (This story is continued in the MIGHTY AVENGERS ANNUAL.)

    Strange and Emma Frost try to attack Hulk’s mind. Inside his mind, they meet the Caiera, Hulk’s slain Shadow Warrior love, who’s fighting alongside Hulk. Is it the soul of the real Caiera? Or just his memory of her? Who knows -- but it’s simultaneously exhilarating and heartbreaking -- even melts Frost. They see why the Hulk is fighting.

    Strange finds Banner inside there. Tries to get him to help, to take over. But Banner understands. He’s accepted the Hulk -- he sees that the Hulk is the hero, and that Banner is the monster.

    Hulk fights back, defeats Strange. And with Hiroim’s help, exiles Strange to the Crossroads. (This story is continued in the NEW AVENGERS ANNUAL).

    INCREDIBLE HULK #108

    The Hulk’s fury continues. He’s gotten Black Bolt, Tony, and Strange, but Reed and Fury still remain on the loose. He demands they show their faces. Reed is missing -- the Marvel heroes have no idea where he is. The Hulk’s people are searching.

    Meanwhile, there’s a crisis in the desert -- Hercules has arrived, along with some others. They’re fighting the Renegades, who are trying to defend the refugees. The Hulk charges in to smash. And now the Hulk gets a surprise -- in a kind of reversal of Peter David’s Champions story from “Giant Size Hulk,” now it’s the Hulk who sees that he’s the one who struck without asking. Hercules is here to help. And the Hulk begins to see what people see in him -- he begins to understand that these rejected people believe in him.

    Meanwhile, Captain America and Nick Fury are assembling the remaining heroes. They may be the underground heroes -- the ones the United States has decided were criminals during the Civil War. But they’re still Americans. And they still believe in freedom and democracy. They don’t want to see the world ruled by the Hulk -- they’re ready to fight.

    INCREDIBLE HULK #109

    Preparing for a great battle. Captain America strategizing brilliantly. He’s recently been shot -- maybe he’s not in the fight directly. So he’s in the Patton role -- the general calling the shots. They send in Wolverine to reconnoiter. To kill. [This story is fleshed out in the WOLVERINE ANNUAL]. But the bomb Wolverine sets off just makes the Hulk stronger.

    They take the attack directly to the Hulk. Hulk and his warriors take out the heroes. In the big twist -- the vanguard of Cap’s army consists of hundreds of Nick Fury LMDs. The Hulk is surrounded by Fury -- and he smashes each and every one of them.

    The Hulk wins. Finally faces Cap. One on one. Only to discover it’s Rick Jones in Cap’s uniform. The real Cap’s been shot -- he’s in a wheelchair, directing the battle from behind the lines. Rick pleads. For the life of Tony and Black Bolt and the other heroes who he’s captured. He’s won. Have mercy. And Miek concurs.

    And in a final gesture -- is it mercy? Or contempt? -- the Hulk releases Tony and the others. Drops Tony at Cap’s feet, stripped of his armor. And sends them away.

    Cliffhanger -- Tony, haggard and desperate, forms an alliance with Doom.

    INCREDIBLE HULK #110

    Righteous Hulk. Unfathomable physical power combined with incredible heart and vision. It’s the opposite of the Maestro. Something we’ve never seen.

    Hulk has won. He could take over the whole planet if he chooses. And now we get a glimpse of what he would do, how he would rule. And, amazingly enough, it would be a utopia. A monarchy, to be sure, but with a genuinely just ruler. And here this new incarnation of the Hulk comes to full bloom -- he’s the Righteous Hulk. Unfathomable physical power combined with incredible heart and vision. It’s the opposite of the Maestro. Something we’ve never seen.

    Storm and the Hulk talk. She asks what he will do next. He could stay. Rule the world. But he says no. He’s leaving. He’s taking all these people who helped him, all these people who wanted to join him. And they’re going to go to the planet Reed said he was going to go to. The peaceful, lush planet. Where they can be left alone.

    And then the other shoe drops -- Doom and Tony.

    INCREDIBLE HULK ANNUAL

    Wall to wall action. The Hulk fights Dark Strange. Teams up with the heroes. Leads the heroes. Brilliant tactician and incredible powerhouse. The Hulk fulfilling his greatest potential. Brutal, terrible series of battles.

    The outcome is far from certain -- the threat is terrible and huge. But the Hulk looks at the refugees and renegades who surround him. And he begins to realize he’s become their savior. This planet’s Sakaarson. There are still millions who fear and hate him, who blame him for the chaos. But millions of others see him as their hero. They are all Warbound now. He turns to face the final battle. Win or lose, he has already won -- he has found himself and his place on this earth.

    But now, finally, he discovers the terrible truth -- it was Miek who destroyed the Crown City of Sakaar. Who killed Caiera. And the Hulk stares at him. And the rage begins to build. Insane, white-eyed fury. And the Hulk strikes.

    But he doesn’t kill Miek. Instead, he launches into the battle against the enemy. Destroys him. Crushes him. Creates some monumental destruction. Maybe triggers the terrible explosion which creates GammaWorld. Destroys the refugees’ chances of escaping.

    He’s not the Sakaarson. He’s the Worldbreaker.

    And the Hulk looks at the shambles around him. And he sees that this is his fault. He was the father figure in Miek’s life -- and all he showed him was rage. He’s not the Sakaarson. He’s the Worldbreaker.

    The Hulk stares at Miek. Closes his eyes. And goes away. Turns into Banner. Who sits there, catatonic. Far, far away.

    Inside Banner’s mind, we see the Hulk. It’s a memory/fantasy. The Hulk stands with Caiera on the planet Sakaar. Staring up as the explosions begin -- the explosions that in reality killed her and led to the events of this arc. He gazes into her eyes. Tells her he he refuses. He won’t be the Worldbreaker. Not now. Not ever again. He holds her close. And they both die, in each others’ arms, as the fire envelops them.

    End with images of Sakaar -- the real Sakaar, post destruction. The radioactive oceans. And in that fiery soup, something stirs -- that embryonic thing which is the Son of Hulk. And the Voice of Legend tells us the Worldbreaker never dies.

    THE ANNUALS

    ILLUMINATI ANNUAL

    A prequel in which we see the Illuminati tear each other apart in the lead-up to the Hulk’s return. The Illuminati meet to discuss Strange’s visions from “Incredible Hulk” #100 -- they sent the Hulk to the wrong planet -- where he’s building an army. Tony knows that when the Hulk returns, he’ll try to find allies. And so Tony tries to get Namor to pledge support. Namor refuses. Tony wages preemptive war on Atlantis -- in the effort to capture and neutralize Namor. Black Bolt is outraged -- will he be next? But by that point, it’s too late -- big climax as the Hulk smashes Black Bolt on the moon.

    MIGHTY AVENGERS ANNUAL

    The Mighty Avengers are forced to fight the Inhumans in the Arena the Hulk has constructed in the desert. Tony Stark and Black Bolt are the key players here. A bit of a mini-“Planet Hulk: Exile” story, with the various players forming new alliances, experiencing new horrors, learning new lessons.

    NEW AVENGERS ANNUAL

    The Hulk captures Dr. Strange and, with the help of Hiroim and the Shadow Elders, sends him to the Crossroads. Strange experiences horrors like those the Hulk encountered when he was exiled years before -- meanwhile, the New Avengers strive to free him. Ends on a cliffhanger -- with Strange being driven mad by his experiences, setting him up for a dangerous return.

    WOLVERINE ANNUAL

    Fury, deep underground, sends Wolverine as an assassin to kill the Hulk. A kind of “Heart of Darkness”/”Apocalypse Now” story. With Wolverine gradually coming to respect the Hulk. In the end, he calls in the air strike. But the twist is that he knows it’ll just make the Hulk stronger. End with the even more powerful Hulk and Wolverine sharing a grim grin, then Wolverine slipping back out into the darkness.

    POST-EMPIRE STORIES

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    @thedailybagel:

    There were certainly many interesting ideas, concepts, and story potential within Greg Pak's early drafts. Sadly, I wish some of them he would have explored, especially in his current work, which is a shadow of the superb work he done in Planet Hulk, World War Hulk, Skaar: Son of Hulk, Fall of the Hulks, World War Hulks, and Incredible Hulks.

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    @thedailybagel:

    There were certainly many interesting ideas, concepts, and story potential within Greg Pak's early drafts. Sadly, I wish some of them he would have explored, especially in his current work, which is a shadow of the superb work he done in Planet Hulk, World War Hulk, Skaar: Son of Hulk, Fall of the Hulks, World War Hulks, and Incredible Hulks.

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    Pak's original draft for World War Hulk certainly villifies The Illuminati more than they were in the actual event where they still had a degree of sympathy behind them. Tony forming an alliance with Doom and Dark Strange being the final villain would have been majorly controversial for sure. Interesting that this draft was planned with Steve still being alive as well.

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    Dislike it for the most part. Too much effort from Pak to turn the Illuminati into fully blown villains with the Hulk completely in the right. The Sentry portion seems silly (and a callback/payback from Pak to Jenkins' treatment of the Hulk), but the Thor fight would had been great to see, even though I'm not sure if Korg being worthy is valid or just a neat plot-device for Thor to back down. Wolverine/Hulk in an Apocalypse Now setting would also be intriguing in the right hands.

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    @greenscar1990 said:

    @thedailybagel:

    There were certainly many interesting ideas, concepts, and story potential within Greg Pak's early drafts. Sadly, I wish some of them he would have explored, especially in his current work, which is a shadow of the superb work he done in Planet Hulk, World War Hulk, Skaar: Son of Hulk, Fall of the Hulks, World War Hulks, and Incredible Hulks.

    I think a lot of them weren't used because Marvel just changed plans, like Thor dying, Cap being alive etc. This draft was written before Pak (or maybe even Marvel) knew about that stuff. I think it was similar with Skrull Bolt, Pak wrote it as Black Bolt but it got retconned later.

    @lvenger said:

    Pak's original draft for World War Hulk certainly villifies The Illuminati more than they were in the actual event where they still had a degree of sympathy behind them. Tony forming an alliance with Doom and Dark Strange being the final villain would have been majorly controversial for sure. Interesting that this draft was planned with Steve still being alive as well.

    Yeah, it makes them out to be full-blown villains which I dislike. It's also worth noting that Marvel definitely turned it into a cash grab thing because Pak wanted it to be a crossover like the upcoming World War Hulk II as opposed to an event, which I assume would've given him more creative freedom.

    @morpheus_ said:

    Dislike it for the most part. Too much effort from Pak to turn the Illuminati into fully blown villains with the Hulk completely in the right. The Sentry portion seems silly (and a callback/payback from Pak to Jenkins' treatment of the Hulk), but the Thor fight would had been great to see, even though I'm not sure if Korg being worthy is valid or just a neat plot-device for Thor to back down. Wolverine/Hulk in an Apocalypse Now setting would also be intriguing in the right hands.

    Out of everything in the draft the only two things I really wished happened were the Sentry thing and the Thor/Korg moment. Out of all the Warbound, Korg is 100% the most likely to be worthy and it would've been so cool to see Thor and Hulk throw down then bromance it out.

    The Sentry thing would've been one of the most badass moments in Hulk's history and I don't think there could've been a better way to show how strong Hulk had become due to his new state of anger. They could've just said that the Spikes drained Bob or he was unstable at the time if they didn't want Hulk to be nigh unbeatable in-universe.

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    Out of everything in the draft the only two things I really wished happened were the Sentry thing and the Thor/Korg moment. Out of all the Warbound, Korg is 100% the most likely to be worthy and it would've been so cool to see Thor and Hulk throw down then bromance it out.

    The Sentry thing would've been one of the most badass moments in Hulk's history and I don't think there could've been a better way to show how strong Hulk had become due to his new state of anger. They could've just said that the Spikes drained Bob or he was unstable at the time if they didn't want Hulk to be nigh unbeatable in-universe.

    Yeah, I definitely believe it would have been a badass way to show how powerful and angry Hulk had become by handily defeating and breaking the bones of one of the most powerful heroes on the planet. Even with the Spikes holding him or draining his energy or even not being involved at all, it would have not weakened Sentry's durability, thus making the feat all the more scary powerful in that Hulk would be capable of shattering such an extremely powerful hero.

    I also agree that I wish we had gotten the epic battle between Odin-Force Thor and WW Hulk before Korg lifts Mjolnir. I would accept and could definitely see Korg being worthy of lifting & wielding Mjolnir. In a way, it was a missed chance on getting two really great moments: OF Thor vs. WW Hulk & Korg lifting Mjolnir.

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    #8  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator

    @thedailybagel: I just find it too disrespectful a move to Sentry (likewise so when Jenkins had the Void do the same thing to the Hulk), and that's coming from one of the character's detractors. Having a huge fight until both were drained before Bob thanked Bruce for knocking him out is arguably a classic finale, and a badass moment for the Hulk while giving proper due to a character whose main raison d'être is to be a powerful plot device. The narrative suggesting the spikes would have weakened Sentry first would be a feasible enough justification for that outcome, though.

    One of the reasons I'd have enjoyed the Thor/Hulk showdown would be its conclusion with Korg lifting Mjolnir, with a good artist that could have been a true spectacle. They sell actual comics with Jane Foster lifting it, Korg can sure as hell lift it for a few panels.

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    @morpheus_: Ah that’s fair enough, I think the whole ‘disrespect’ part would depend on how it’s executed. Like mentioned before, the spikes could’ve been a reason or Hulk could’ve just legitamately been crazy powerful, I mean Pak did intend for him to gain an upperhand on Odin Fords Thor which is crazy.

    Although I definitely agree the Korg thing would’ve been awesome.

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    @thedailybagel: Admittedly what they did to Bruce was unjust and breaks who knows how many laws but turning some major Marvel characters into outright villains rather than heroes doing something morally grey would have been a bad idea. Yeah it sounds like turning World War Hulk into an event as opposed to a crossover put it under editorial control. I guess that's why Pak kept the sequel, World War Hulks and the upcoming Cho WWH event in his own series to retain greater creative control.

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    #11  Edited By Battle123axe

    Hey guys, I found this interesting interview from Greg Pak, here:

    http://comicsalliance.com/greg-pak-incredible-hulk-exit-interview/

    here are some incredibly interesting statements and comments, definitely some stuff I would like to see after he finishes with cho.

    Heh. No. I actually had a pitch for a story called "Gammaworld" in which a terrible accident results in a giant dome of gamma energy rising over the desert. Cities are trapped underneath it, gamma monsters emerge, and a whole Wild West kind of culture emerges. And the Hulk rides through Gammaworld as a kind of gunslinger, keeping the peace in this lawless region. So I'd been thinking about certain themes that fit right into the story that became Planet Hulk.

    I have a few Hulk-related stories I'd love to do some day. I have a Korg/Hiroim story that I'd love to find a place to tell. And I have a Hulk story for kids. And that initial Gammaworld-Hulk-Western pitch still appeals to me. But a huge part of good storytelling is about editing -- about knowing what to cut and when to stop, right?

    I had an idea of the Hulk as a New York gangster, with Banner as his enforcer. The gag would be that you're REALLY in trouble when Banner comes out. But for that slot, I went for "The Spy Who Smashed Me" instead, which set up the emotional story I wanted to tell much better. Zero regrets there.

    I also always wanted to do a big fantasy epic, with the Hulk and Strange and other characters in a Lord of the Ringsy milieu. Heh. It occurs to me that I shouldn't be telling you all this, since I might revisit these ideas some day in another form. You heard it here, folks! Remember this interview! Where Greg Pak first revealed the pitches for his big 2017 comic book projects!

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